This article is currently little more than a fork of Blagoevgrad Province's intro. All the historical and different point of views information can be put there. Would you like me to organize a poll or something regarding whether we really need an article under this title? I'd like to hear different opinions before merging what we have here into the existing article and redirect. Todor → Bozhinov 14:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- FrancisTyers · 20:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia is term which point to the one of the parts of ethnic Macedonia. It is different term then Blagoevgrad Province in Republic of Bulgaria. By the current teritorial subdivisions, Blagoevgrad Province spread almost to the same teritory as Pirin Macedonia. -- Brest 08:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia is term which refer to the ethnic teritory of Macedonia. Blagoevgrad province is term which refer to the current teritorial subdivision of the Republic of Bulgaria. Because it cover almost the same teritory there is confusion for some one who don't dig dipper in the problem. For me, the existence of the Blagoevgrad Province is not in the question. It is reality according to the current teritorial subdivision of the Republic of Bulgaria. But also existence of the Pirin Macedonia is not in the question. It is area mostly populated by ethnic Macedonians, governed by Republic of Bulgaria.-- Brest 17:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Just for the record, we do have separate articles for Aegean Macedonia and for Vardar Macedonia, which are not identical with Macedonia (Greece) and Republic of Macedonia respectively. So, I guess there would be nothing wrong in principle with having one for Pirin Macedonia too. But: the crucial thing is, what is that article going to do? Aegean Macedonia is a reasonable example: It is not an article about the territory as such (its geographical properties, inhabitants, history etc.), because if it was that it would be a POV fork. Instead, it is an article about the term "Aegean Macedonia" (its usage, traditions, ideological meanings etc.) If you can do something like that for Pirin M., why not? -- But that said, I'm skeptical if we really need yet another article on Macedonia... Perhaps you should consider redirecting this page to Macedonia (terminology)? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia ( Macedonian: Пиринска Македонија),[irrelevant language spoken by 3000 people out of 350,000 Bulgarian inhabitants] is one of the parts of Macedonia. Macedonia was a single geographic entity citation needed until the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. citation needed As a result of the Treaty of Bucharest, Macedonia was partitioned among Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria.
Upon annexation of Macedonia's territory, Bulgaria began terrorist campaigns citation needed!!!! aimed at expelling citation neededwhere? where are those "expelled" or forcibly assimilating citation neededas opposed to forcibly nationalizing of the others? the indigenous ethnic Macedonian population. Bulgaria continue this policy today citation needed within EU!! by denying the existence citation neededI have an opposite official source of the largeLOL ethnic Macedonian minorities within their respective territories and refusing to grant them their basic human rights. citation needed
Mustafa Akalp's out of the blue reversion having seen my comment in Fut.Perf's talk. Does he have the absolute clue? I seriously doubt it. Niko Silver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Fut.Perf. that this article should exist on the same philosophy of Aegean Macedonia, United Macedonia, or Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo etc. But that's not it, definitely. Niko Silver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I have protected this article to stop the edit-war. If editors of this article can come to a consensus about what to do with this page here, then we can lift the protection before it expires in two weeks. If you can't come to a consensus, I can just re-protect it for another two weeks. I prefer consensus.-- Chaser - T 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia is unique article in wikipedia. You cannot redirect it to the article of Blagoevgrad province. And one question for you, Why in bg.wikipedia.org exist the article named Pirin Macedonia (or in Bulgarian Пиринска Македония)? One reason why is because your friends in Bulgaria know that Blagoevgrad Province is not the same as Pirin Macedonia. And what you do here? You try to spread the Bulgarian nationalistic POV, because you know that a lot of people from all over the world read English edition of wikipedia and you hope that they will believe you. -- Brest 11:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
There are two articles about the geographical region of Pirin Macedonia:
The first one, served as a redirect to Blagoevgrad Oblast, an article about the administrative region, to which the info about the geographical region was included. However, recently, Pirin Macedonia was created as a separate geographic article.
Per WP:MERGEREASON, Pirin Macedonia and Pirin Macedonia (region) which are duplicates of each other, should be merged into Pirin Macedonia. There is no point at keeping 2 pages with the exact same subject and the exact same scope. -- ✿ SilentResident ✿ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 19:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree with the changes, there is no need of the word region, there is no in the case of Vardar Macedonia for example. And redirection for Pirin Macedonia should go to the Pirin Macedonia, Blagoevgrad Province is the same as the region of Pirin Macedonia, but it is a province, not a region. Sashko1999 ( talk) 14:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
This article is currently little more than a fork of Blagoevgrad Province's intro. All the historical and different point of views information can be put there. Would you like me to organize a poll or something regarding whether we really need an article under this title? I'd like to hear different opinions before merging what we have here into the existing article and redirect. Todor → Bozhinov 14:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- FrancisTyers · 20:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia is term which point to the one of the parts of ethnic Macedonia. It is different term then Blagoevgrad Province in Republic of Bulgaria. By the current teritorial subdivisions, Blagoevgrad Province spread almost to the same teritory as Pirin Macedonia. -- Brest 08:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia is term which refer to the ethnic teritory of Macedonia. Blagoevgrad province is term which refer to the current teritorial subdivision of the Republic of Bulgaria. Because it cover almost the same teritory there is confusion for some one who don't dig dipper in the problem. For me, the existence of the Blagoevgrad Province is not in the question. It is reality according to the current teritorial subdivision of the Republic of Bulgaria. But also existence of the Pirin Macedonia is not in the question. It is area mostly populated by ethnic Macedonians, governed by Republic of Bulgaria.-- Brest 17:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Just for the record, we do have separate articles for Aegean Macedonia and for Vardar Macedonia, which are not identical with Macedonia (Greece) and Republic of Macedonia respectively. So, I guess there would be nothing wrong in principle with having one for Pirin Macedonia too. But: the crucial thing is, what is that article going to do? Aegean Macedonia is a reasonable example: It is not an article about the territory as such (its geographical properties, inhabitants, history etc.), because if it was that it would be a POV fork. Instead, it is an article about the term "Aegean Macedonia" (its usage, traditions, ideological meanings etc.) If you can do something like that for Pirin M., why not? -- But that said, I'm skeptical if we really need yet another article on Macedonia... Perhaps you should consider redirecting this page to Macedonia (terminology)? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia ( Macedonian: Пиринска Македонија),[irrelevant language spoken by 3000 people out of 350,000 Bulgarian inhabitants] is one of the parts of Macedonia. Macedonia was a single geographic entity citation needed until the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. citation needed As a result of the Treaty of Bucharest, Macedonia was partitioned among Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria.
Upon annexation of Macedonia's territory, Bulgaria began terrorist campaigns citation needed!!!! aimed at expelling citation neededwhere? where are those "expelled" or forcibly assimilating citation neededas opposed to forcibly nationalizing of the others? the indigenous ethnic Macedonian population. Bulgaria continue this policy today citation needed within EU!! by denying the existence citation neededI have an opposite official source of the largeLOL ethnic Macedonian minorities within their respective territories and refusing to grant them their basic human rights. citation needed
Mustafa Akalp's out of the blue reversion having seen my comment in Fut.Perf's talk. Does he have the absolute clue? I seriously doubt it. Niko Silver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Fut.Perf. that this article should exist on the same philosophy of Aegean Macedonia, United Macedonia, or Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo etc. But that's not it, definitely. Niko Silver 20:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I have protected this article to stop the edit-war. If editors of this article can come to a consensus about what to do with this page here, then we can lift the protection before it expires in two weeks. If you can't come to a consensus, I can just re-protect it for another two weeks. I prefer consensus.-- Chaser - T 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Pirin Macedonia is unique article in wikipedia. You cannot redirect it to the article of Blagoevgrad province. And one question for you, Why in bg.wikipedia.org exist the article named Pirin Macedonia (or in Bulgarian Пиринска Македония)? One reason why is because your friends in Bulgaria know that Blagoevgrad Province is not the same as Pirin Macedonia. And what you do here? You try to spread the Bulgarian nationalistic POV, because you know that a lot of people from all over the world read English edition of wikipedia and you hope that they will believe you. -- Brest 11:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
There are two articles about the geographical region of Pirin Macedonia:
The first one, served as a redirect to Blagoevgrad Oblast, an article about the administrative region, to which the info about the geographical region was included. However, recently, Pirin Macedonia was created as a separate geographic article.
Per WP:MERGEREASON, Pirin Macedonia and Pirin Macedonia (region) which are duplicates of each other, should be merged into Pirin Macedonia. There is no point at keeping 2 pages with the exact same subject and the exact same scope. -- ✿ SilentResident ✿ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 19:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree with the changes, there is no need of the word region, there is no in the case of Vardar Macedonia for example. And redirection for Pirin Macedonia should go to the Pirin Macedonia, Blagoevgrad Province is the same as the region of Pirin Macedonia, but it is a province, not a region. Sashko1999 ( talk) 14:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)