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A breed is a domesticated subspecies or infrasubspecies of an animal. the term dosn't sound right. -- 83.78.39.107 19:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Pinoy is not pejorative but a term of endearment. -- 166.32.109.155 20:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)rickylavina
Pinoy sounds very lame for many Americans of Filipino decent. I object the use for this term. As a big man, I do not think that all Filipinos should be call a Pinoy. -- 68.124.71.35 19:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
So many Filipinos were mocked and teased for using that term, and I oppose the use of this term. My friends told me that it sounds so lame. The first time I heard this term, it sounds so lame. Should American opinions matter? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.235.1.34 ( talk • contribs) 20:10 May 18, 2006 (UTC).
I will try to be civilized in my defence in using the term "Pinoy".
First, because it was invented here in the Philippines and unfamiliar to other foreign-raised does not mean that the term is lame. What I'm trying to say is that don't be ethnocentric. If you see Philippine culture as significantly inferior and prefer Western culture, fine don't label yourself "pinoy". But don't press your views as superior than that of others and that you have the right to "correct" others without understanding them first. Europeans already done that and so much more during the 1500s-1800s. Try to be open to the culture and the history of your ancestors.
Second, before you call yourself "flip", let me tell you what it stands for. It means "fu***ng little island person (sure is tough!). It is a term coined by American soldiers for Filipinos. In our country, the term flip usually denotes mental instability and is rarely used as a neutral term. If your idea of the "correct" term is flip, then by all means use it. I prefer to call myself Pinoy.
Third, the term was not meant to be derogatory. Songs that have them are usally patriotic. DO NOT compare the N-word with Pinoy. The former was made by others (guess who) as a derogatory term while the latter was made by Filipinos as something to identify themselves with.
Fourth, calling a people's identity "lame" then anguishing due the violation of your rights seems to be a little illogical don't you think? Look at the plight of your people and see whose rights are really violated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.105.250 ( talk • contribs) 12:14 September 13, 2006 (UTC).
Doesn't flip also refer to "flipping idiot" or "Flipper" as an ethnic slur. That's why you shouldn't use flip unless you're really patriotic. Is the N-word more severe than pinoy? Since blacks were slaves when they were being called that by the brits, Pinoy is supposedly used by 100% Filipinos to recognize themselves and be proud of it. - 69.157.189.214 03:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I have my doubts about the origins of the word "flip" It if very likely that the "fu***ng little island person" is a "backronym", in other words, the phrase was created so that the already existing term would be an acronym, not that the acronym was derived from the phrase. It is much more likely that the word "flip" is a corruption of the term "Filipino".
I have no reference for this assertion, but I also can find no real reference for the island people etymology. Wcudmore ( talk) 20:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the list of links at the end of this article, I just wanted to point out WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided (particularly item 3). Also, there's WP:GTL and WP:MOS. -- Boracay Bill 00:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
There will be discussions, arguments, and debates against the term. Some Filipinos born and raised in the United States believe that the term sounds lame and annoying, especially the ones who play contact or physical sports like American football, basketball, baseball, or wrestling. Hence, the term "Pinoy jocks", "Pinoy football players," or "Pinoy sports" sounds to vague and very weak. Many Filipinos have been calling themselves "Flip", which is becoming less racist through many generations. Besides, the term "Flip" is a more tougher term, and "Flip jock" sounds much better.
As a avid sports fan in California, I strongly oppose the them "Pinoy." I can go on and put this one up for a Filipino-political discussion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.124.71.35 ( talk • contribs) 00:49 February 7, 2006 (UTC). Revision as of 2006-02-07T00:49:04 (edit) 68.124.71.35
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
A breed is a domesticated subspecies or infrasubspecies of an animal. the term dosn't sound right. -- 83.78.39.107 19:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Pinoy is not pejorative but a term of endearment. -- 166.32.109.155 20:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)rickylavina
Pinoy sounds very lame for many Americans of Filipino decent. I object the use for this term. As a big man, I do not think that all Filipinos should be call a Pinoy. -- 68.124.71.35 19:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
So many Filipinos were mocked and teased for using that term, and I oppose the use of this term. My friends told me that it sounds so lame. The first time I heard this term, it sounds so lame. Should American opinions matter? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.235.1.34 ( talk • contribs) 20:10 May 18, 2006 (UTC).
I will try to be civilized in my defence in using the term "Pinoy".
First, because it was invented here in the Philippines and unfamiliar to other foreign-raised does not mean that the term is lame. What I'm trying to say is that don't be ethnocentric. If you see Philippine culture as significantly inferior and prefer Western culture, fine don't label yourself "pinoy". But don't press your views as superior than that of others and that you have the right to "correct" others without understanding them first. Europeans already done that and so much more during the 1500s-1800s. Try to be open to the culture and the history of your ancestors.
Second, before you call yourself "flip", let me tell you what it stands for. It means "fu***ng little island person (sure is tough!). It is a term coined by American soldiers for Filipinos. In our country, the term flip usually denotes mental instability and is rarely used as a neutral term. If your idea of the "correct" term is flip, then by all means use it. I prefer to call myself Pinoy.
Third, the term was not meant to be derogatory. Songs that have them are usally patriotic. DO NOT compare the N-word with Pinoy. The former was made by others (guess who) as a derogatory term while the latter was made by Filipinos as something to identify themselves with.
Fourth, calling a people's identity "lame" then anguishing due the violation of your rights seems to be a little illogical don't you think? Look at the plight of your people and see whose rights are really violated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.105.250 ( talk • contribs) 12:14 September 13, 2006 (UTC).
Doesn't flip also refer to "flipping idiot" or "Flipper" as an ethnic slur. That's why you shouldn't use flip unless you're really patriotic. Is the N-word more severe than pinoy? Since blacks were slaves when they were being called that by the brits, Pinoy is supposedly used by 100% Filipinos to recognize themselves and be proud of it. - 69.157.189.214 03:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I have my doubts about the origins of the word "flip" It if very likely that the "fu***ng little island person" is a "backronym", in other words, the phrase was created so that the already existing term would be an acronym, not that the acronym was derived from the phrase. It is much more likely that the word "flip" is a corruption of the term "Filipino".
I have no reference for this assertion, but I also can find no real reference for the island people etymology. Wcudmore ( talk) 20:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the list of links at the end of this article, I just wanted to point out WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided (particularly item 3). Also, there's WP:GTL and WP:MOS. -- Boracay Bill 00:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
There will be discussions, arguments, and debates against the term. Some Filipinos born and raised in the United States believe that the term sounds lame and annoying, especially the ones who play contact or physical sports like American football, basketball, baseball, or wrestling. Hence, the term "Pinoy jocks", "Pinoy football players," or "Pinoy sports" sounds to vague and very weak. Many Filipinos have been calling themselves "Flip", which is becoming less racist through many generations. Besides, the term "Flip" is a more tougher term, and "Flip jock" sounds much better.
As a avid sports fan in California, I strongly oppose the them "Pinoy." I can go on and put this one up for a Filipino-political discussion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.124.71.35 ( talk • contribs) 00:49 February 7, 2006 (UTC). Revision as of 2006-02-07T00:49:04 (edit) 68.124.71.35