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Hi everyone! Between February and April of this year I worked with other editors here to address some inaccuracies and issues in this article. At the time I prepared a new draft for this article which was reviewed and revised collaboratively and sections were moved into the live article by other editors. (You can see the discussions about this above.) For full transparency, I'd like to point out again that my work on this page is on behalf of, and with input from Ping Fu and because of my COI with this article, I've only edited in my user space.
I'm reaching out now to see if I can find an interested editor to review and help update the infobox and introduction. The current introduction only covers a few aspects of Ping Fu's career and, given the length of the article, I think a more detailed introduction is appropriate. Here is my suggested revision, and markup, for the introduction - I have rewritten this introduction to provide a fuller overview of the article. Please note that as all the information in the introduction is cited in the article I haven't included cites here too:
And here is my suggested revision, and markup, for the infobox. My goal here was to simplify the current infobox and remove the awards (there are too many to put all in the infobox, so it seems better to simply have those included in their own section) and to correct some outdated information, for example Ping Fu sold Geomagic, so it's not correct to list them as her employer.
Ping Fu | |
---|---|
Born | 1958 (age 65–66)
[1] |
Citizenship | American |
Education | University of California, San Diego, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |
Alma mater | University of California, San Diego |
Occupation(s) | Vice president and chief strategy officer, 3D Systems [2] [3] [4] |
Employer | 3D Systems |
Notable work | Bend, Not Break: A Life In Two Worlds |
Board member of | Long Now Foundation National Advisory Council for Innovation and Entrepreneurship |
If you are interested, please review what I have prepared here and let me know if you have any questions or concerns. If you agree that these revisions are an improvement, and feel comfortable doing so, please add the new markup into the article. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 21:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Rhiannon, please provide an official source of Ms. Fu's job title at 3D Systems, which I believe is also your employer. So far from materials published by 3D Systems, vice president is not her title. This would be very helpful. Thank you. LarryTr7 ( talk) 04:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi again, all. I've asked if there are any publicly available sources from 3D Systems (rather than the news items linked above) that can confirm the vice president title and at present there are not. I hope to be able to follow up here soon with a link to a release from 3D Systems that does confirm the title. In the meantime, I have an email from the company's General Counsel (in non-business speak: their lawyer) confirming that Ping's title is vice president and chief strategy officer. I'd be happy to send that to OTRS to confirm this information if there's consensus from editors here that this step is needed. (Obviously, to protect the privacy of the General Counsel and others on the email chain I can't make that email publicly available. )
In the meantime, does anyone have any further feedback on the edits to the introduction and infobox that I've proposed above. If they look ok, is anyone willing to move these into the article? Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 22:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
References
A couple of posts regarding Ping Fu have been made on the Soochow University (Suzhou) website. These posts are not WP:RS, and appear to be the work of the same cyber-bullies who have been waging a Human flesh search engine campaign against Ping Fu for several months (my characterization is supported by multiple reliable sources.)
As a result of these posts, we can expect to see more vandalism and disruptive editing here for awhile. Fearofreprisal ( talk) 00:40, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
[1] by SCMP in Hong Kong.-- 凡其 Fanchy 07:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
It's funny to see that Fearofreprisal has learned how to do human-flesh search, but not proud of this technique when mentioning Ping Fu's critics. LarryTr7 ( talk) 08:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Soochow University, which Ping Fu attended (but did not graduate from) has made four posts on their website, and hosted a press briefing, where Chen Jinhu, the Soochow University Party Committee Propaganda Minister, accused Ping Fu of academic fraud, for claiming to have degrees from both Soochow and Nanjing University. Much of the coverage of this event has been in Chinese language media and social media. There has not yet been much English language media coverage, but I'd expect to see some in the near future. The notability of the incident is probably such that it needs to be included in the Ping Fu page, so the real question is how.
Soochow University itself is a primary source, and is of questionable reliability. The Chinese Communist Party is about as reliable a source as you'd expect. Soochow University has also threatened legal action against Ping Fu, further eroding their credibility. It also raises a WP:redflag, requiring multiple high quality sources.
While I think it makes sense to include this incident in the page, I think it's important to characterize it accurately. It's less about Ping Fu, and more about Soochow University. Fearofreprisal ( talk) 20:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
References
The article by Joe Nocera of the New York Times is actually more researched than most other articles on the subject that I've seen. The New York Times is probably the gold-standard for op-ed articles, and Joe Nocera is a notable journalist in his own right. There are no problems with verifiability or reliability here.
I'd recommend including the citation in this way: "...leading both Harold Evans of The Daily Beast and Joe Nocera of the New York Times to conclude that Ping Fu is the subject of a online attack. [1] [2] [3]" Fearofreprisal ( talk) 08:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I don't know whether you would take records from National Science Foundation (NSF) as golden evidence. If you do, you would agree that contents in the resume of Ping Fu submitted to NSF be allowed in this article, wouldn't you? LarryTr7 ( talk) 07:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
References
Evans
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).This is the
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Ping Fu article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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Hi everyone! Between February and April of this year I worked with other editors here to address some inaccuracies and issues in this article. At the time I prepared a new draft for this article which was reviewed and revised collaboratively and sections were moved into the live article by other editors. (You can see the discussions about this above.) For full transparency, I'd like to point out again that my work on this page is on behalf of, and with input from Ping Fu and because of my COI with this article, I've only edited in my user space.
I'm reaching out now to see if I can find an interested editor to review and help update the infobox and introduction. The current introduction only covers a few aspects of Ping Fu's career and, given the length of the article, I think a more detailed introduction is appropriate. Here is my suggested revision, and markup, for the introduction - I have rewritten this introduction to provide a fuller overview of the article. Please note that as all the information in the introduction is cited in the article I haven't included cites here too:
And here is my suggested revision, and markup, for the infobox. My goal here was to simplify the current infobox and remove the awards (there are too many to put all in the infobox, so it seems better to simply have those included in their own section) and to correct some outdated information, for example Ping Fu sold Geomagic, so it's not correct to list them as her employer.
Ping Fu | |
---|---|
Born | 1958 (age 65–66)
[1] |
Citizenship | American |
Education | University of California, San Diego, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |
Alma mater | University of California, San Diego |
Occupation(s) | Vice president and chief strategy officer, 3D Systems [2] [3] [4] |
Employer | 3D Systems |
Notable work | Bend, Not Break: A Life In Two Worlds |
Board member of | Long Now Foundation National Advisory Council for Innovation and Entrepreneurship |
If you are interested, please review what I have prepared here and let me know if you have any questions or concerns. If you agree that these revisions are an improvement, and feel comfortable doing so, please add the new markup into the article. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 21:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Rhiannon, please provide an official source of Ms. Fu's job title at 3D Systems, which I believe is also your employer. So far from materials published by 3D Systems, vice president is not her title. This would be very helpful. Thank you. LarryTr7 ( talk) 04:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi again, all. I've asked if there are any publicly available sources from 3D Systems (rather than the news items linked above) that can confirm the vice president title and at present there are not. I hope to be able to follow up here soon with a link to a release from 3D Systems that does confirm the title. In the meantime, I have an email from the company's General Counsel (in non-business speak: their lawyer) confirming that Ping's title is vice president and chief strategy officer. I'd be happy to send that to OTRS to confirm this information if there's consensus from editors here that this step is needed. (Obviously, to protect the privacy of the General Counsel and others on the email chain I can't make that email publicly available. )
In the meantime, does anyone have any further feedback on the edits to the introduction and infobox that I've proposed above. If they look ok, is anyone willing to move these into the article? Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 22:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
References
A couple of posts regarding Ping Fu have been made on the Soochow University (Suzhou) website. These posts are not WP:RS, and appear to be the work of the same cyber-bullies who have been waging a Human flesh search engine campaign against Ping Fu for several months (my characterization is supported by multiple reliable sources.)
As a result of these posts, we can expect to see more vandalism and disruptive editing here for awhile. Fearofreprisal ( talk) 00:40, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
[1] by SCMP in Hong Kong.-- 凡其 Fanchy 07:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
It's funny to see that Fearofreprisal has learned how to do human-flesh search, but not proud of this technique when mentioning Ping Fu's critics. LarryTr7 ( talk) 08:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Soochow University, which Ping Fu attended (but did not graduate from) has made four posts on their website, and hosted a press briefing, where Chen Jinhu, the Soochow University Party Committee Propaganda Minister, accused Ping Fu of academic fraud, for claiming to have degrees from both Soochow and Nanjing University. Much of the coverage of this event has been in Chinese language media and social media. There has not yet been much English language media coverage, but I'd expect to see some in the near future. The notability of the incident is probably such that it needs to be included in the Ping Fu page, so the real question is how.
Soochow University itself is a primary source, and is of questionable reliability. The Chinese Communist Party is about as reliable a source as you'd expect. Soochow University has also threatened legal action against Ping Fu, further eroding their credibility. It also raises a WP:redflag, requiring multiple high quality sources.
While I think it makes sense to include this incident in the page, I think it's important to characterize it accurately. It's less about Ping Fu, and more about Soochow University. Fearofreprisal ( talk) 20:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
References
The article by Joe Nocera of the New York Times is actually more researched than most other articles on the subject that I've seen. The New York Times is probably the gold-standard for op-ed articles, and Joe Nocera is a notable journalist in his own right. There are no problems with verifiability or reliability here.
I'd recommend including the citation in this way: "...leading both Harold Evans of The Daily Beast and Joe Nocera of the New York Times to conclude that Ping Fu is the subject of a online attack. [1] [2] [3]" Fearofreprisal ( talk) 08:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I don't know whether you would take records from National Science Foundation (NSF) as golden evidence. If you do, you would agree that contents in the resume of Ping Fu submitted to NSF be allowed in this article, wouldn't you? LarryTr7 ( talk) 07:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
References
Evans
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).