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The map shows the Pine Ridge Reservation in its borders not of today but between 1889 and 1911 including Bennett County, which was taken away from the Oglala in 1911, see also: http://www.taspan.org/news/firethundermoves.html - Bennett County was formed in 1911; the result of the allotment act, but the Oglala Sioux Tribe never recognized that the land was ever removed from the original reservation boundaries. The Oglala Sioux Tribe continues to abide by the treaty boundaries set by the 1851 and 1868 treaties. -- PhJ ( talk) 20:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I won't put in original research, but the article states that people on the reservation only see 1/3 of the revenue from agricultural activity. That seems like original research based on what's cited-- and since my extended family farms along the border, I am in a position to know that essentially all of the farming being done on the reservation is non-Indian local farmers leasing land from the tribe to do farming on what's arable (and grazing on what isn't). So to me that part looks like the usual Marxist POV-pushing where whomever is poor and nonwhite is a victim of exploitation as usual. I'd like to see a citation on the figures of what the tribe gets. I can't imagine where I'm going to find a cite on who farms the reservation, but that's the reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.98.97 ( talk) 02:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
The flag was easy to make, though maybe the tent flaps should be a tag bigger. Anyone want to volunteer to add flags to the other articles? I think it would be a nice touch. kwami 01:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Much of the history section (specifically about the 1973 Wounded Knee standoff) doesn't seem to relate directly to the subject of the article. I certainly think that what it discusses is important, but, at least from what I read, there was no clear connection made (in the article) between the standoff and the subject of the article. Personally, I think the Wounded Knee standoff should get it's own article. Movieman894 11:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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To just give the murder rate per 100,000 is a bit silly in the context (30,000 people in all), we need also the real numbers. And the rate has also to be compared to the usual violent death rate on the reservation.-- Radh ( talk) 09:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Much of the content of this article is on Billy Mills right now. I propose moving the Billy Mills story to the Billy Mills page - where much of the information is already duplicated in any case - and shortening the information on him to just a paragraph on his impact on the Reservation. The topic of this page is the Pine Ridge Reservation, and in-depth writing on other subjects ought to have it's own dedicated space. -- MatheoDJ ( talk) 06:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed two links before since they seem self-promotional to me, but what do other editors think? - Uyvsdi ( talk) 18:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi
The first five or six references are to a court case. This is an example of Original Research, which is prohibited. Editors are supposed to use third-party sources, which might discuss the case or issue, such as an academic paper, not a primary document generated in the course of an event. Parkwells ( talk) 22:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
This has mostly instances of violent conflict between the Sioux and the US government. What about the decades in between? Schools, churches, education, language programs, etc. Other things happen. There are full articles on each of these major events, but it is hard to follow the story of the reservation and its people from just these incidents. Parkwells ( talk) 23:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The Lead says that repression of the Ghost Dance was related to the Wounded Knee Massacre, but the main part of the article says nothing about the Ghost Dance re: this event. The Lead is supposed to represent the article, not the other way around. Parkwells ( talk) 23:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
now your just brimming with advice and doing so it what can be construed as a fairly imperious manner. You left a gap between bodies of text like geology and paleontology in the tourism section, deleted useful and interesting information and added grammamatical mistakes like "D Erosion continues to carve the Badlands buttes today."(sic) I happen to have a certain affinity for the Sioux, I have been to Pine Ridge and I had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of a tribe member who lives in Wounded Knee, so I'm trying to put some effort into it. Wasting my time and getting bent writing these rebuttals is not conducive to the process because now I'm too pissed to do anything. If you wish to criticise do it in a constructive manner with the aim of improving the content on Wikipedia and without the animus. And also trying to make other people look foolish is not nice, according to my hero [4] Stuart Smalley; "That's just stinkin' thinkin!" , I do my daily affirmations with Stuart so; "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." 7mike5000 ( talk) 11:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Several comments were here, and others in the editing summaries. I apologize for not proceeding as you would have preferred, but it is unfortunate that you assumed the worst and have not acknowledged any of my contributions. I meant first to note your many excellent contributions. You have greatly added to the article and improved it. My apologies for not waiting for your comments back. In leaving the comments above, I was simply trying to indicate changes for the article overall - such as editors' needing to have authors' names in Reading lists, and what appears to be OR by selecting from a court record (where it is not indicated whether the plaintiff or defendant is being quoted), rather than a third-party source, as recommended by Wikipedia for reliable sources. Parkwells ( talk) 13:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
It would make the article look way better and be more relevant to today if there were at least a few more images (there is only one now) of Pine Ridge and modern day Pine Ridge and Oglala. People get the wrong idea that Pine Ridge is place from the past and/or everything is bad. Images like this are great: [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. If anyone has some and would be willing to either give permission to use them or release them into the public domain that would be great. The article Oglala Lakota could use modern images too. They could be easily uploaded at Wikimedia Commons [12] 7mike5000 ( talk) 14:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, 7mike5000 - looking again at the history section, I found it hard to follow, as it did not proceed chronologically, which is standard in most of these. Made subheaders for the Twentieth and Twenty-first centuries, and put Wounded Knee Massacre among 19th-century events. If you want it organized by Land Issues and Military Actions, it might be useful to make sub-headers, to make it easier for readers to follow. I didn't change anything substantively; added a Main article indicator to direct people to the one on the massacre. Have made inline cites more complete and done minor copy editing, including using active voice, which Wikipedia encourages. Parkwells ( talk) 14:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
You feel strongly about the abuses on the reservation, but is it useful for the article to repeat in three places all the content about current poverty, life expectancy, health issues, etc.? Yes, in the Lead, but then it may be better to have them collected in one place in the article. They are discussed under Poverty and Health issues, for instance, and also listed in Demographics. In most articles, the Demographics section relates to population, ethnic make-up, percentage of population in various age ranges, numbers of households, and income/economics, not to health issues. Just a thought. Parkwells ( talk) 14:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Added more content on this as I found the section hard to understand; wasn't familiar with the issues. Parkwells ( talk) 03:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Here is an interesting overview from Tribal Law Journal - http://tlj.unm.edu/tribal-law-journal/articles/volume_2/oglala/index.php. This writer expresses the opinion that the President and VP positions were not meant to be strong. Their short terms contribute to the problems in governance, according to other sources, as new officers want to make changes and it can be hard to preserve continuity in projects and programs. Parkwells ( talk) 14:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Many of the sources indicate that divisions on the reservation date back to the institution of elected tribal government under the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act. Have you thought about including some discussion of how this affected the people at Pine Ridge, in terms of their 20th-c history? Parkwells ( talk) 20:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
I know this section is too long, but I needed to add some context and cites; will edit more to make shorter here and add more of it to the main article on it. Parkwells ( talk) 02:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
"Because of hemp's qualities as a hardy crop, during World War II the US government had encouraged its cultivation. It is a legal crop in Canada." Is unecessary fluff. At most it deserves a few sentences as the issue applies to the sovereignty of the tribe. I was also curious about using PBS as a reference.
Again no offence but I can't help but notice that everytime I add information to articles like Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Bill Janklow, In the Spirit of Crazy Horse (book) which I started and Jancita Eagle Deer, it spurs flurry of activity on your part. The first you had no interest whatsoever for 14 mos. until I redid it, Janklow not one edit ever, In The Spirit of Crazy Horse (book) and Jancita Eagle Deer no interest at all in the topics because they didn't exist I started them. I don't mind someone making improvements to what I write or articles I start but getting second guessed on everything I write or add, and what seems like what I perceive to be an attempt to "outdo" me, is getting on my nerves quite frankly. Case point I add a cool interesting picture to the Wounded Knee incident section, I click back on and that sparks a reordering of sections with "Indian New Deal" and "Urban Relocation" and blah blah. You never added anything to Bill Janklow until I did and then there you are. If it is a genuine interest in improving the quality of information on the Sioux how about adding information to Standing Rock Indian Reservation it's larger than Pine Ridge and the article is barely a stub or do I need to go start adding information to it first. 7mike5000 ( talk) 17:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
As far as Bill Janklow you never were on the page until after I added material to it. As far as the other User agreeing with you two people don't make a quorom. Usually getting locked up for driving on the wrong side of the road, intoxicated with the family jewels hanging out and then resisting arrest and using racial epithets is enough to end a political career. This happened at the beginning of it. The arrest affidavits are only two pages long and they add to the body of the text and I think most people would find it relevant and interesting and not "overkill" especially considering the manslaughter conviction. 7mike5000 ( talk) 12:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Leonard Peltier's WP article says that he went to Pine Ridge in 1975 to evade a warrant in Wisconsin. Have not found anything that says he was at Wounded Knee. Is that sufficient time to count him as a notable resident? I know he was associated with the res because of the murders for which he was convicted. Parkwells ( talk) 00:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Have made some slight changes to Lead to include other events in 1970s-period: the founding of the tribal college, and the 1981 founding of the first independent NA newspaper, on either side of Wounded Knee Incident. Parkwells ( talk) 21:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Mike. I've been working on Whiteclay, NE as well as The Battle for Whiteclay and wanted to talk with you about deciding where to keep the main content on this, as it is difficult to keep current in too many places, with all the cites from recent activism. While I've added material about "Related activism" in the film article, that is unusual for the encyclopedia, and the OST and allied activism really belongs here, with the reservation. What do you think? I see you also cover it here in the "White Clay Extension" section; and there is material on the suit in "Twenty-first century," as well as the law enforcement grant (which never got used) in "Politics". While I know you want to highlight the problems, it may make it confusing for readers to know where to go, or for editors to know where to write. Some thoughts:
Let me know - there is a lot of powerful material. Parkwells ( talk) 20:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Given that this kind of prohibition does not seem to work when alcohol sales are outside their control and the demand continues, other tribes have taken on the benefits as well as responsibilities of alcohol sales; this enables them to keep the revenues generated within the reservation (at Pine Ridge, it would be sufficient to build a much-needed detoxification facility, which they have been unable to fund), as well as to directly regulate and police its use. They could shut down Whiteclay by taking over the business, as they could undercut prices by not having to pay state taxes. A recent survey found that 63% of federally recognized tribes in the lower 48 states had legalized alcohol sales. I've added content here and at the Pine Ridge, NE page. The OST voted down a referendum to legalize alcohol sales in 2004, and in 2006 the tribal council voted to keep the ban. Parkwells ( talk) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
While the suit is important, it would take up less space to have the defendants listed in a footnote, rather than in the article (at least this article.) That level of detail seems more suited for a main article on the suit and issue. Still need a name - "Oglala Sioux Tribe and managing alcohol use"? That could incorporate all the activism as well as the suit. Nothing seems right to capture the whole thing. Parkwells ( talk) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
More details are provided on the circumstances of her murder and later trials at the main article on her. The section in this article should be kept short. Parkwells ( talk) 21:33, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to let interested editors know that the US District Court Judge dismissed the OST suit against beer stores in Whiteclay and associated companies on 1 Oct. 2012, "without prejudice", saying the federal court did not have jurisdiction over the issue. It was suggested the tribe could sue in state court. Parkwells ( talk) 15:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a contradiction in the article..in the introduction it states the reservation was started in 1889..in the section on alcoholism it states alcohol has been prohibited there since 1832. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.242.102.242 ( talk) 19:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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If that is true there should be an explanation in the article.
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Editors should include authors of books (Further reading) and be more careful about punctuation and full sentences. Good information here but sloppy with many typos.:
If you are going to have a "one sentence" summary of his defense, this is hardly adequate: "Some of his supporters argue there was a lack of substantive evidence against him."
More like: Some of his supporters point to the extra-ordinary circumstances: the reign of terror on the reservation between the BIA culture and the Sioux culture, where dozens of murders and shootings of Sioux went unnoticed, where AIM was regarded as the problem, and the FBI's focus of the week was a pair of missing cowboy boots.
This appears to be outdated. Can't find the text cited above in the article. 2600:1003:B865:4E83:0:7:2D37:5201 ( talk) 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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The map shows the Pine Ridge Reservation in its borders not of today but between 1889 and 1911 including Bennett County, which was taken away from the Oglala in 1911, see also: http://www.taspan.org/news/firethundermoves.html - Bennett County was formed in 1911; the result of the allotment act, but the Oglala Sioux Tribe never recognized that the land was ever removed from the original reservation boundaries. The Oglala Sioux Tribe continues to abide by the treaty boundaries set by the 1851 and 1868 treaties. -- PhJ ( talk) 20:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I won't put in original research, but the article states that people on the reservation only see 1/3 of the revenue from agricultural activity. That seems like original research based on what's cited-- and since my extended family farms along the border, I am in a position to know that essentially all of the farming being done on the reservation is non-Indian local farmers leasing land from the tribe to do farming on what's arable (and grazing on what isn't). So to me that part looks like the usual Marxist POV-pushing where whomever is poor and nonwhite is a victim of exploitation as usual. I'd like to see a citation on the figures of what the tribe gets. I can't imagine where I'm going to find a cite on who farms the reservation, but that's the reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.98.97 ( talk) 02:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
The flag was easy to make, though maybe the tent flaps should be a tag bigger. Anyone want to volunteer to add flags to the other articles? I think it would be a nice touch. kwami 01:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Much of the history section (specifically about the 1973 Wounded Knee standoff) doesn't seem to relate directly to the subject of the article. I certainly think that what it discusses is important, but, at least from what I read, there was no clear connection made (in the article) between the standoff and the subject of the article. Personally, I think the Wounded Knee standoff should get it's own article. Movieman894 11:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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To just give the murder rate per 100,000 is a bit silly in the context (30,000 people in all), we need also the real numbers. And the rate has also to be compared to the usual violent death rate on the reservation.-- Radh ( talk) 09:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Much of the content of this article is on Billy Mills right now. I propose moving the Billy Mills story to the Billy Mills page - where much of the information is already duplicated in any case - and shortening the information on him to just a paragraph on his impact on the Reservation. The topic of this page is the Pine Ridge Reservation, and in-depth writing on other subjects ought to have it's own dedicated space. -- MatheoDJ ( talk) 06:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed two links before since they seem self-promotional to me, but what do other editors think? - Uyvsdi ( talk) 18:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi
The first five or six references are to a court case. This is an example of Original Research, which is prohibited. Editors are supposed to use third-party sources, which might discuss the case or issue, such as an academic paper, not a primary document generated in the course of an event. Parkwells ( talk) 22:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
This has mostly instances of violent conflict between the Sioux and the US government. What about the decades in between? Schools, churches, education, language programs, etc. Other things happen. There are full articles on each of these major events, but it is hard to follow the story of the reservation and its people from just these incidents. Parkwells ( talk) 23:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The Lead says that repression of the Ghost Dance was related to the Wounded Knee Massacre, but the main part of the article says nothing about the Ghost Dance re: this event. The Lead is supposed to represent the article, not the other way around. Parkwells ( talk) 23:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
now your just brimming with advice and doing so it what can be construed as a fairly imperious manner. You left a gap between bodies of text like geology and paleontology in the tourism section, deleted useful and interesting information and added grammamatical mistakes like "D Erosion continues to carve the Badlands buttes today."(sic) I happen to have a certain affinity for the Sioux, I have been to Pine Ridge and I had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of a tribe member who lives in Wounded Knee, so I'm trying to put some effort into it. Wasting my time and getting bent writing these rebuttals is not conducive to the process because now I'm too pissed to do anything. If you wish to criticise do it in a constructive manner with the aim of improving the content on Wikipedia and without the animus. And also trying to make other people look foolish is not nice, according to my hero [4] Stuart Smalley; "That's just stinkin' thinkin!" , I do my daily affirmations with Stuart so; "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." 7mike5000 ( talk) 11:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Several comments were here, and others in the editing summaries. I apologize for not proceeding as you would have preferred, but it is unfortunate that you assumed the worst and have not acknowledged any of my contributions. I meant first to note your many excellent contributions. You have greatly added to the article and improved it. My apologies for not waiting for your comments back. In leaving the comments above, I was simply trying to indicate changes for the article overall - such as editors' needing to have authors' names in Reading lists, and what appears to be OR by selecting from a court record (where it is not indicated whether the plaintiff or defendant is being quoted), rather than a third-party source, as recommended by Wikipedia for reliable sources. Parkwells ( talk) 13:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
It would make the article look way better and be more relevant to today if there were at least a few more images (there is only one now) of Pine Ridge and modern day Pine Ridge and Oglala. People get the wrong idea that Pine Ridge is place from the past and/or everything is bad. Images like this are great: [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. If anyone has some and would be willing to either give permission to use them or release them into the public domain that would be great. The article Oglala Lakota could use modern images too. They could be easily uploaded at Wikimedia Commons [12] 7mike5000 ( talk) 14:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, 7mike5000 - looking again at the history section, I found it hard to follow, as it did not proceed chronologically, which is standard in most of these. Made subheaders for the Twentieth and Twenty-first centuries, and put Wounded Knee Massacre among 19th-century events. If you want it organized by Land Issues and Military Actions, it might be useful to make sub-headers, to make it easier for readers to follow. I didn't change anything substantively; added a Main article indicator to direct people to the one on the massacre. Have made inline cites more complete and done minor copy editing, including using active voice, which Wikipedia encourages. Parkwells ( talk) 14:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
You feel strongly about the abuses on the reservation, but is it useful for the article to repeat in three places all the content about current poverty, life expectancy, health issues, etc.? Yes, in the Lead, but then it may be better to have them collected in one place in the article. They are discussed under Poverty and Health issues, for instance, and also listed in Demographics. In most articles, the Demographics section relates to population, ethnic make-up, percentage of population in various age ranges, numbers of households, and income/economics, not to health issues. Just a thought. Parkwells ( talk) 14:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Added more content on this as I found the section hard to understand; wasn't familiar with the issues. Parkwells ( talk) 03:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Here is an interesting overview from Tribal Law Journal - http://tlj.unm.edu/tribal-law-journal/articles/volume_2/oglala/index.php. This writer expresses the opinion that the President and VP positions were not meant to be strong. Their short terms contribute to the problems in governance, according to other sources, as new officers want to make changes and it can be hard to preserve continuity in projects and programs. Parkwells ( talk) 14:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Many of the sources indicate that divisions on the reservation date back to the institution of elected tribal government under the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act. Have you thought about including some discussion of how this affected the people at Pine Ridge, in terms of their 20th-c history? Parkwells ( talk) 20:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
I know this section is too long, but I needed to add some context and cites; will edit more to make shorter here and add more of it to the main article on it. Parkwells ( talk) 02:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
"Because of hemp's qualities as a hardy crop, during World War II the US government had encouraged its cultivation. It is a legal crop in Canada." Is unecessary fluff. At most it deserves a few sentences as the issue applies to the sovereignty of the tribe. I was also curious about using PBS as a reference.
Again no offence but I can't help but notice that everytime I add information to articles like Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Bill Janklow, In the Spirit of Crazy Horse (book) which I started and Jancita Eagle Deer, it spurs flurry of activity on your part. The first you had no interest whatsoever for 14 mos. until I redid it, Janklow not one edit ever, In The Spirit of Crazy Horse (book) and Jancita Eagle Deer no interest at all in the topics because they didn't exist I started them. I don't mind someone making improvements to what I write or articles I start but getting second guessed on everything I write or add, and what seems like what I perceive to be an attempt to "outdo" me, is getting on my nerves quite frankly. Case point I add a cool interesting picture to the Wounded Knee incident section, I click back on and that sparks a reordering of sections with "Indian New Deal" and "Urban Relocation" and blah blah. You never added anything to Bill Janklow until I did and then there you are. If it is a genuine interest in improving the quality of information on the Sioux how about adding information to Standing Rock Indian Reservation it's larger than Pine Ridge and the article is barely a stub or do I need to go start adding information to it first. 7mike5000 ( talk) 17:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
As far as Bill Janklow you never were on the page until after I added material to it. As far as the other User agreeing with you two people don't make a quorom. Usually getting locked up for driving on the wrong side of the road, intoxicated with the family jewels hanging out and then resisting arrest and using racial epithets is enough to end a political career. This happened at the beginning of it. The arrest affidavits are only two pages long and they add to the body of the text and I think most people would find it relevant and interesting and not "overkill" especially considering the manslaughter conviction. 7mike5000 ( talk) 12:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Leonard Peltier's WP article says that he went to Pine Ridge in 1975 to evade a warrant in Wisconsin. Have not found anything that says he was at Wounded Knee. Is that sufficient time to count him as a notable resident? I know he was associated with the res because of the murders for which he was convicted. Parkwells ( talk) 00:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Have made some slight changes to Lead to include other events in 1970s-period: the founding of the tribal college, and the 1981 founding of the first independent NA newspaper, on either side of Wounded Knee Incident. Parkwells ( talk) 21:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Mike. I've been working on Whiteclay, NE as well as The Battle for Whiteclay and wanted to talk with you about deciding where to keep the main content on this, as it is difficult to keep current in too many places, with all the cites from recent activism. While I've added material about "Related activism" in the film article, that is unusual for the encyclopedia, and the OST and allied activism really belongs here, with the reservation. What do you think? I see you also cover it here in the "White Clay Extension" section; and there is material on the suit in "Twenty-first century," as well as the law enforcement grant (which never got used) in "Politics". While I know you want to highlight the problems, it may make it confusing for readers to know where to go, or for editors to know where to write. Some thoughts:
Let me know - there is a lot of powerful material. Parkwells ( talk) 20:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Given that this kind of prohibition does not seem to work when alcohol sales are outside their control and the demand continues, other tribes have taken on the benefits as well as responsibilities of alcohol sales; this enables them to keep the revenues generated within the reservation (at Pine Ridge, it would be sufficient to build a much-needed detoxification facility, which they have been unable to fund), as well as to directly regulate and police its use. They could shut down Whiteclay by taking over the business, as they could undercut prices by not having to pay state taxes. A recent survey found that 63% of federally recognized tribes in the lower 48 states had legalized alcohol sales. I've added content here and at the Pine Ridge, NE page. The OST voted down a referendum to legalize alcohol sales in 2004, and in 2006 the tribal council voted to keep the ban. Parkwells ( talk) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
While the suit is important, it would take up less space to have the defendants listed in a footnote, rather than in the article (at least this article.) That level of detail seems more suited for a main article on the suit and issue. Still need a name - "Oglala Sioux Tribe and managing alcohol use"? That could incorporate all the activism as well as the suit. Nothing seems right to capture the whole thing. Parkwells ( talk) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
More details are provided on the circumstances of her murder and later trials at the main article on her. The section in this article should be kept short. Parkwells ( talk) 21:33, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to let interested editors know that the US District Court Judge dismissed the OST suit against beer stores in Whiteclay and associated companies on 1 Oct. 2012, "without prejudice", saying the federal court did not have jurisdiction over the issue. It was suggested the tribe could sue in state court. Parkwells ( talk) 15:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a contradiction in the article..in the introduction it states the reservation was started in 1889..in the section on alcoholism it states alcohol has been prohibited there since 1832. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.242.102.242 ( talk) 19:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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If that is true there should be an explanation in the article.
?? 2600:1003:B865:4E83:0:7:2D37:5201 ( talk) 17:11, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Editors should include authors of books (Further reading) and be more careful about punctuation and full sentences. Good information here but sloppy with many typos.:
If you are going to have a "one sentence" summary of his defense, this is hardly adequate: "Some of his supporters argue there was a lack of substantive evidence against him."
More like: Some of his supporters point to the extra-ordinary circumstances: the reign of terror on the reservation between the BIA culture and the Sioux culture, where dozens of murders and shootings of Sioux went unnoticed, where AIM was regarded as the problem, and the FBI's focus of the week was a pair of missing cowboy boots.
This appears to be outdated. Can't find the text cited above in the article. 2600:1003:B865:4E83:0:7:2D37:5201 ( talk) 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)