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Comment: The main hook is intentionally silly and eye-catching, while the alt is phrased more seriously. I'd mildly prefer the main suggestion.
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SnowFire (
talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC).reply
Article is well sourced and written, and fulfills all the DYK criteria. Fact is sourced (I was actually able to find an online version through my university library), and both hooks are interesting. If we were going with the first one, I suggest that we put scare quotes around "Pontius Pilate", so we can emphasize that these are misattributions.
Normsupon (
talk) 00:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Added that suggestion as ALT0b above. Thanks!
SnowFire (
talk) 02:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)reply
There are various paragraphs lacking citations. As a thumb rule, we'll need at-least a citation at the end of a para, regardless if it is repeated. Ping me when replying. –
Kavyansh.Singh (
talk)
@
SnowFire: I'm- feeling a little thick. Where could I find the hook fact (or its unquirked version) in the article?
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (she/
they) 01:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Theleekycauldron: In the "Background" section, it says that Pontius Pilate's term as governor was from 26–36 AD. His death date isn't known, but he definitely wasn't a teenager or the like when he was appointed governor, so he was definitely dead by 100 AD at the latest (40-70 AD a more likely range). The hypothesized dates of authorship listed for all of the works are way, way after that - the 2nd century (aka 100-199) at the absolute earliest for the Anaphora Pilati / Letter of Pilate to Claudius / Acts of Pilate (although probably much later in all three cases), and most being written in the 4th, 5th, or 6th centuries (e.g. the various Letter of Pilate to XYZs), all forged in Pilate's name. (There's some even later works listed too, although they generally claim to be about Pilate rather than literally written by Pilate.) So the citations on the paragraphs with dates of authorship are the relevant ones for the hook.
SnowFire (
talk) 03:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: I believe this is a version of the "Letter of Pilate to Tiberius" in the article. It's to Tiberius, and it says "Being too weak to suppress an insurrection, I resolved upon adopting a measure that promised to restore the tranquillity of the city without subjecting the prastorium to humiliating concession." This seems to match the comment on Pilate saying he executed Jesus to stop a revolt. Most of the scholars who write about this are people interested in early Christianity, so they don't seem to give this one a lot of attention as it's thought to originate from Renaissance-era Christianity instead. But if you can find a good scholarly source to expand on it, certainly room to do so.
SnowFire (
talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SnowFire: Thank you, that looks right. For reference,
here is another link to chapter 8 itself. –
FayenaticLondon 20:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oops, Archko Volume should not be given any coverage here, as it was soon identified as a fraudulent compilation, and has its own article about the hoax. –
FayenaticLondon 17:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Interesting article. And for excluding it here... well, maybe. M. R. James does mention it at
s:The Apocryphal New Testament (1924)/Infancy Gospels/A modern Infancy Gospel, but it's like... a brief sentence. So the real problem is probably lack of content (the others aren't any more accurate, so being inauthentic is not exactly a reason to exclude it).
SnowFire (
talk) 19:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
A fact from Pilate cycle appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 February 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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Comment: The main hook is intentionally silly and eye-catching, while the alt is phrased more seriously. I'd mildly prefer the main suggestion.
Created by
SnowFire (
talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC).reply
Article is well sourced and written, and fulfills all the DYK criteria. Fact is sourced (I was actually able to find an online version through my university library), and both hooks are interesting. If we were going with the first one, I suggest that we put scare quotes around "Pontius Pilate", so we can emphasize that these are misattributions.
Normsupon (
talk) 00:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Added that suggestion as ALT0b above. Thanks!
SnowFire (
talk) 02:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)reply
There are various paragraphs lacking citations. As a thumb rule, we'll need at-least a citation at the end of a para, regardless if it is repeated. Ping me when replying. –
Kavyansh.Singh (
talk)
@
SnowFire: I'm- feeling a little thick. Where could I find the hook fact (or its unquirked version) in the article?
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (she/
they) 01:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Theleekycauldron: In the "Background" section, it says that Pontius Pilate's term as governor was from 26–36 AD. His death date isn't known, but he definitely wasn't a teenager or the like when he was appointed governor, so he was definitely dead by 100 AD at the latest (40-70 AD a more likely range). The hypothesized dates of authorship listed for all of the works are way, way after that - the 2nd century (aka 100-199) at the absolute earliest for the Anaphora Pilati / Letter of Pilate to Claudius / Acts of Pilate (although probably much later in all three cases), and most being written in the 4th, 5th, or 6th centuries (e.g. the various Letter of Pilate to XYZs), all forged in Pilate's name. (There's some even later works listed too, although they generally claim to be about Pilate rather than literally written by Pilate.) So the citations on the paragraphs with dates of authorship are the relevant ones for the hook.
SnowFire (
talk) 03:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: I believe this is a version of the "Letter of Pilate to Tiberius" in the article. It's to Tiberius, and it says "Being too weak to suppress an insurrection, I resolved upon adopting a measure that promised to restore the tranquillity of the city without subjecting the prastorium to humiliating concession." This seems to match the comment on Pilate saying he executed Jesus to stop a revolt. Most of the scholars who write about this are people interested in early Christianity, so they don't seem to give this one a lot of attention as it's thought to originate from Renaissance-era Christianity instead. But if you can find a good scholarly source to expand on it, certainly room to do so.
SnowFire (
talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SnowFire: Thank you, that looks right. For reference,
here is another link to chapter 8 itself. –
FayenaticLondon 20:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oops, Archko Volume should not be given any coverage here, as it was soon identified as a fraudulent compilation, and has its own article about the hoax. –
FayenaticLondon 17:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Interesting article. And for excluding it here... well, maybe. M. R. James does mention it at
s:The Apocryphal New Testament (1924)/Infancy Gospels/A modern Infancy Gospel, but it's like... a brief sentence. So the real problem is probably lack of content (the others aren't any more accurate, so being inauthentic is not exactly a reason to exclude it).
SnowFire (
talk) 19:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply