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Some time after the Convention, I met Pigasus while visiting the Hog Farm in New Rork state - friends of my wife were members of that commune. I remember petting a Presidential candidate. -- Dumarest 20:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Was the bus still named "Further"? 72.47.13.75 ( talk) 02:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
A massive amount of narratove style text was added by an anon. It was a large paste and copy job. [1] -- Whpq 14:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This whole article is stupid and a joke. It ought to be deleted. 173.88.88.117 ( talk) 22:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
I was supprised too, but this really happened. The truth really is stranger than fiction, huh. I say it should stay up. 67.80.164.161 ( talk) 22:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I agree that it should probably be deleted, but I'm not too sure. Pigasus was a real pig, although this article is written stylistically and factually incorrectly. I do however believe that this article fails to meet the notability criteria in Wikipedia, and I'd like this to be merged with some article regarding Yuppies. Yumehoshijima ( talk) 04:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Added a disputed and NPOV tag to the top of the page. Again, it seems that Pigasus was a real pig. I don't have the knowledge to judge whether he was actually notable or not. Yumehoshijima ( talk) 04:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The nomination of Pigasus in 1968 is a documented fact. This article has existed for six years without having its notability questioned. Now after six peaceful years, I added more citations, sources, and court transcript information.
Pigasus certainly looks notable here [2].
Re NPOV and sourcing - the article now has more third party verification, more citations and sources, not less. If you have additional citations, sources and information about Pigasus, please include them.
This article is about a staged political event, but the article itself is not a hoax. It reports an event that occurred, and was covered in the media [3].
Wikipedia has hundreds of articles about "hoaxes" that occurred, and had a social impact. Consider [4], [5], [6] and [7]. Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 08:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed this set of satirical sci-fi novels from 1975 as a source for factual statements about what happened in Chicago in 1968, but apparently Pigasus is mentioned in it. Perhaps that discussion of Pigasus in the novel or novels could be covered in an "Influence" section, along with other recent references to Pigasus, such as an early and effective example of political street theater. On the other had "In popular culture" sections are, for some reason, not currently popular in Wikipedia articles about historical figures. Edison ( talk) 20:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Some non-English Wikipedias also have articles on this pig/political theater event. I do not see how to add links to the article, but it would be helpful if someone would who knows how, or if someone could point to a page on how to add such a link. They include at least the Spanish Wikipedia, the French Wikipedia, and the Bahasa Indonesia Wikipedia. Edison ( talk) 22:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Several sources (as in the movie "The Hog Farm Movie" (1970) say the pig came from and wound up at the "Hog Farm" commune but I could not find a reliable source not behind paywall to check this out. Is it possible that the Hog Farm named their own pig "Pigasus," and it was a different one from the pig turned over to a farm in Grayslake, Illinois in September 1968? This would not unprecedented: the anti-forest fire symbol Smokey Bear was created in 1944, and the living "Smokey Bear" was selected in 1950, and when he died in 1976, was replaced by a second "Smokey Bear, " who died in 1990.. Similarly Shamu is the name given a series of orcas in a killer whale show. Edison ( talk) 22:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The New York Times obituary for Abbie Hoffman mentions the Pigasus nomination - but it's part of a longer statement by attorney William Kunstler, regarding Hoffman's dexterity at political theater. [18]
The New York Times obituary for Jerry Rubin also mentions it [19].
I also found this striking YouTube video, with two minutes of actual footage of the Pigasus nomination in 1968 [20]. Unfortunately, the footage begins at 10:30 (10 & 1/2 minutes into the video) and is preceeded by largely unrelated material. I'll see if I can find other footage. Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 03:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
User:NorthAmerica,
The trial transcript quotes look great.
I restored the Pigasus photo to the left, after adjusting a paragraph above it, in a manner that resolved the clumsy white space around the photo itself. I think you were trying to resolve that clumsy look of "leftover text," but the paragraph adjustment eliminated that. Then I moved the photo back to the left again, so that Pigasus is looking into the frame, and thus looks more involved.
What do you think? Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 04:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks to the editors who helped to improve this article, particularly User:Edison and User:Northamerica1000.
The article is much improved, and the deletion decision was to Keep it. Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 20:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
"Pigasus and the Yippies were charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and bringing a pig to Chicago" - what's the legal background for bringing a pig to the city? -- StYxXx ( talk) 21:14, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I've already given two cites to support the full name. One in the article - https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pigasus_(politics)&oldid=964618287#cite_note-2 - and on in my edit summary - https://voices.revealdigital.org/?a=d&d=BFBJFGD19690103.1.3&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN---------------1. Both are contemporaneous reports. You can find more here: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22pigasus+j.+pig%22&oq=%22pigasus+j.+pig%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j35i39j69i60l2.5677j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8. Will you please un-revert? Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 15:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
@ The editorrrr, regarding your revert: in what way do you think "Occupation: Pig" makes any sense? ― Jochem van Hees ( talk) 13:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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Some time after the Convention, I met Pigasus while visiting the Hog Farm in New Rork state - friends of my wife were members of that commune. I remember petting a Presidential candidate. -- Dumarest 20:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Was the bus still named "Further"? 72.47.13.75 ( talk) 02:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
A massive amount of narratove style text was added by an anon. It was a large paste and copy job. [1] -- Whpq 14:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This whole article is stupid and a joke. It ought to be deleted. 173.88.88.117 ( talk) 22:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
I was supprised too, but this really happened. The truth really is stranger than fiction, huh. I say it should stay up. 67.80.164.161 ( talk) 22:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I agree that it should probably be deleted, but I'm not too sure. Pigasus was a real pig, although this article is written stylistically and factually incorrectly. I do however believe that this article fails to meet the notability criteria in Wikipedia, and I'd like this to be merged with some article regarding Yuppies. Yumehoshijima ( talk) 04:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Added a disputed and NPOV tag to the top of the page. Again, it seems that Pigasus was a real pig. I don't have the knowledge to judge whether he was actually notable or not. Yumehoshijima ( talk) 04:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The nomination of Pigasus in 1968 is a documented fact. This article has existed for six years without having its notability questioned. Now after six peaceful years, I added more citations, sources, and court transcript information.
Pigasus certainly looks notable here [2].
Re NPOV and sourcing - the article now has more third party verification, more citations and sources, not less. If you have additional citations, sources and information about Pigasus, please include them.
This article is about a staged political event, but the article itself is not a hoax. It reports an event that occurred, and was covered in the media [3].
Wikipedia has hundreds of articles about "hoaxes" that occurred, and had a social impact. Consider [4], [5], [6] and [7]. Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 08:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed this set of satirical sci-fi novels from 1975 as a source for factual statements about what happened in Chicago in 1968, but apparently Pigasus is mentioned in it. Perhaps that discussion of Pigasus in the novel or novels could be covered in an "Influence" section, along with other recent references to Pigasus, such as an early and effective example of political street theater. On the other had "In popular culture" sections are, for some reason, not currently popular in Wikipedia articles about historical figures. Edison ( talk) 20:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Some non-English Wikipedias also have articles on this pig/political theater event. I do not see how to add links to the article, but it would be helpful if someone would who knows how, or if someone could point to a page on how to add such a link. They include at least the Spanish Wikipedia, the French Wikipedia, and the Bahasa Indonesia Wikipedia. Edison ( talk) 22:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Several sources (as in the movie "The Hog Farm Movie" (1970) say the pig came from and wound up at the "Hog Farm" commune but I could not find a reliable source not behind paywall to check this out. Is it possible that the Hog Farm named their own pig "Pigasus," and it was a different one from the pig turned over to a farm in Grayslake, Illinois in September 1968? This would not unprecedented: the anti-forest fire symbol Smokey Bear was created in 1944, and the living "Smokey Bear" was selected in 1950, and when he died in 1976, was replaced by a second "Smokey Bear, " who died in 1990.. Similarly Shamu is the name given a series of orcas in a killer whale show. Edison ( talk) 22:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The New York Times obituary for Abbie Hoffman mentions the Pigasus nomination - but it's part of a longer statement by attorney William Kunstler, regarding Hoffman's dexterity at political theater. [18]
The New York Times obituary for Jerry Rubin also mentions it [19].
I also found this striking YouTube video, with two minutes of actual footage of the Pigasus nomination in 1968 [20]. Unfortunately, the footage begins at 10:30 (10 & 1/2 minutes into the video) and is preceeded by largely unrelated material. I'll see if I can find other footage. Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 03:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
User:NorthAmerica,
The trial transcript quotes look great.
I restored the Pigasus photo to the left, after adjusting a paragraph above it, in a manner that resolved the clumsy white space around the photo itself. I think you were trying to resolve that clumsy look of "leftover text," but the paragraph adjustment eliminated that. Then I moved the photo back to the left again, so that Pigasus is looking into the frame, and thus looks more involved.
What do you think? Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 04:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks to the editors who helped to improve this article, particularly User:Edison and User:Northamerica1000.
The article is much improved, and the deletion decision was to Keep it. Nelsondenis248 ( talk) 20:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
"Pigasus and the Yippies were charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and bringing a pig to Chicago" - what's the legal background for bringing a pig to the city? -- StYxXx ( talk) 21:14, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I've already given two cites to support the full name. One in the article - https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pigasus_(politics)&oldid=964618287#cite_note-2 - and on in my edit summary - https://voices.revealdigital.org/?a=d&d=BFBJFGD19690103.1.3&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN---------------1. Both are contemporaneous reports. You can find more here: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22pigasus+j.+pig%22&oq=%22pigasus+j.+pig%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j35i39j69i60l2.5677j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8. Will you please un-revert? Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 15:51, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
@ The editorrrr, regarding your revert: in what way do you think "Occupation: Pig" makes any sense? ― Jochem van Hees ( talk) 13:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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