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The article says, "His lyrics are often stereotypically "industrial" while mocking the genre." I, uh, am not so sure that the more stereotypically industrial metal songs (I'm thinking of a lot of the stuff on Sinsation and Wrecked) are mocking the genre. I've never had that impression - that stuff has always seemed like an earnest effort to tap into that trend, and I've never heard it suggested before. ---Buttcat
The PIG article has much more information than the Raymond Watts stub, and Watts is known almost exclusively as PIG. What do you guys think? -- buck 16:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Since the Raymond Watts article is such a short stub, it makes sense to merge it with PIG. The only question is whether the article title should be Raymond Watts or PIG; my vote is for PIG. -- Gwax 21:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Would you merge the Trent Reznor article with the Nine Inch Nails article? Although short, the fact is that Raymond Watts has done much more than just PIG. Alot of people do not even know he is PIG and think of him only as a member of KMFDM. Others want to find PIG. Leaving them seperate would be best for people who are new to industrial music and are looking for bands to check out.
I have done the merge. Since virtually all the text was in [[PIG]], I merged [[Raymond Watts]] into [[PIG]], in order to preserve the edit history as much as possible. Then I renamed [[PIG]] as [[PIG (band)]] so as to make the former into a redirect to the disambiguation page. Now please someone swap [[PIG (band)]] and [[Raymond Watts]], so that the latter is the real article and the former is a redirect.
Thanks, and all the best, --
Jorge Stolfi 17:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Why is this page titled P.I.G.? Is it an acronym? I have never seen it referred to in this way on any of Watts's releases. Iluvchineselit 04:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Right now PIG seems to be empty. I'll try to do the move, then I think we can find any article linking to P.I.G. and edit them. -- ASL 19:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow, I posted that a long time ago! (as
user:iluvchineselit) Thanks for cleaning it up!
The-dissonance-reports 06:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the following "On tour" section:
I have done this for several reasons. One, not all the tour dates and nor the complete band line-up have been 100% confirmed. Second, the image of tour poster has no copyright information and thus subject to deletion anyway (and it only provides information on one performance). Third, all of this information is taken from Watts's official site as well as his myspace account, both of which are included in the "external links" section. As much as I like Watts--and I am equally excited about him touring again--promotional content should not be included in Wikipedia. That's not to say we cannot have information about PIG on tour (it is probably good to include some info since it's the first tour after a nine-year hiatus, plus a whole new line-up) but it shouldn't be presented as promotional. Thanks --
buck 17:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I added a photo and logo to the box, as well as adding to Jazz to his genres.
An anonymous editor insists that the infobox should list jazz as a genre to desrcibe PIG. Now I'll be the first to admit that Watts's music has a jazz influence but I think it's a bit of a stretch to group PIG in the jazz genre. This editor has cited PIG's earlier albums--specifically Praise the Lard--as "jazz", apparently due to Watts's use of a synthesized horn section. Popular music is full of jazz-influenced musicians, but it would be inappropriate to group them in the jazz genre. Would you label KMFDM as a reggae band? I've left "jazz" (and "classical") as listed genres, but only because I think we need a decisive vote. Otherwise, this editor will continue to push "jazz" at every editing opportunity. While I'm familiar with the entire PIG catalog, I don't own A Poke in the Eye, so I could very well be wrong about that particular album. If you guys think otherwise and want to include "jazz", then jazz it is. But please keep in mind that a musician can be influenced by any number of genres without needing to be grouped into every single one of those genres. Peace. -- buck 21:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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The article says, "His lyrics are often stereotypically "industrial" while mocking the genre." I, uh, am not so sure that the more stereotypically industrial metal songs (I'm thinking of a lot of the stuff on Sinsation and Wrecked) are mocking the genre. I've never had that impression - that stuff has always seemed like an earnest effort to tap into that trend, and I've never heard it suggested before. ---Buttcat
The PIG article has much more information than the Raymond Watts stub, and Watts is known almost exclusively as PIG. What do you guys think? -- buck 16:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Since the Raymond Watts article is such a short stub, it makes sense to merge it with PIG. The only question is whether the article title should be Raymond Watts or PIG; my vote is for PIG. -- Gwax 21:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Would you merge the Trent Reznor article with the Nine Inch Nails article? Although short, the fact is that Raymond Watts has done much more than just PIG. Alot of people do not even know he is PIG and think of him only as a member of KMFDM. Others want to find PIG. Leaving them seperate would be best for people who are new to industrial music and are looking for bands to check out.
I have done the merge. Since virtually all the text was in [[PIG]], I merged [[Raymond Watts]] into [[PIG]], in order to preserve the edit history as much as possible. Then I renamed [[PIG]] as [[PIG (band)]] so as to make the former into a redirect to the disambiguation page. Now please someone swap [[PIG (band)]] and [[Raymond Watts]], so that the latter is the real article and the former is a redirect.
Thanks, and all the best, --
Jorge Stolfi 17:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Why is this page titled P.I.G.? Is it an acronym? I have never seen it referred to in this way on any of Watts's releases. Iluvchineselit 04:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Right now PIG seems to be empty. I'll try to do the move, then I think we can find any article linking to P.I.G. and edit them. -- ASL 19:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow, I posted that a long time ago! (as
user:iluvchineselit) Thanks for cleaning it up!
The-dissonance-reports 06:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the following "On tour" section:
I have done this for several reasons. One, not all the tour dates and nor the complete band line-up have been 100% confirmed. Second, the image of tour poster has no copyright information and thus subject to deletion anyway (and it only provides information on one performance). Third, all of this information is taken from Watts's official site as well as his myspace account, both of which are included in the "external links" section. As much as I like Watts--and I am equally excited about him touring again--promotional content should not be included in Wikipedia. That's not to say we cannot have information about PIG on tour (it is probably good to include some info since it's the first tour after a nine-year hiatus, plus a whole new line-up) but it shouldn't be presented as promotional. Thanks --
buck 17:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I added a photo and logo to the box, as well as adding to Jazz to his genres.
An anonymous editor insists that the infobox should list jazz as a genre to desrcibe PIG. Now I'll be the first to admit that Watts's music has a jazz influence but I think it's a bit of a stretch to group PIG in the jazz genre. This editor has cited PIG's earlier albums--specifically Praise the Lard--as "jazz", apparently due to Watts's use of a synthesized horn section. Popular music is full of jazz-influenced musicians, but it would be inappropriate to group them in the jazz genre. Would you label KMFDM as a reggae band? I've left "jazz" (and "classical") as listed genres, but only because I think we need a decisive vote. Otherwise, this editor will continue to push "jazz" at every editing opportunity. While I'm familiar with the entire PIG catalog, I don't own A Poke in the Eye, so I could very well be wrong about that particular album. If you guys think otherwise and want to include "jazz", then jazz it is. But please keep in mind that a musician can be influenced by any number of genres without needing to be grouped into every single one of those genres. Peace. -- buck 21:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)