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BetacommandBot ( talk) 02:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The article in its present (21 October 2008) form states: "When his father gives him the pictures of the song's title, his problems are solved thanks to masturbation". In fact the lyrics of the song do not mention masturbation, nor even hint at it. That is a possible interpretation, but it is not justified by the lyrics, so I am replacing that sentence. JamesBWatson ( talk) 19:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Ah, of COURSE its about masturbation....!!! 74.4.24.34 ( talk) 20:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
However certain any individuals may feel that the song is hinting at masturbation, it does not MENTION masturbation. Wikipedia's policy on verifiability is perfectly clear, and "I know that that is what is about" is not sufficient grounds for making the assertion. A publication in a reliable source of a statement by the song writer that that was the intention might perhaps be sufficient. JamesBWatson ( talk) 12:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
See http://everything2.com/title/Pictures%2520of%2520Lily for quotes from Townshend, Daltrey, and Entwhistle that explicitly state that the song is about masturbation, and explicitly state that they sang it sweet and innocent to disguise that fact. 76.105.238.158 ( talk) 23:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the role of wikipedia to report on other sources, and not original research and speculation? It doesn't matter what the current person editing the article THINKS. It matters what various external sources think, and contradictory thoughts can be reported in the wiki article. Find well-published opinions about the song and source them -- did Rolling Stone think this was about masturbation? Have prominent musicians published any opinions? External sources, people. Anything else in this discussion is ... well, you know ... Paulc206 ( talk) 18:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
The song never explicitly mentions pin-ups, nor does it explicitly mention women in any fashion. That is a possible interpretation, but it is not justified by the lyrics. All mention of pin-ups, women, and masturbation should include the caveat that those ideas are not substantiated within the lyrics, which clearly refer to a nice picture of flowers and the peace of mind that can be found by meditating on the same. 76.105.238.158 ( talk) 03:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The sound-patterns contained within this noise-form are never explicitly declared to represent the English language, or indeed any human language. That is a possible interpretation, but it is not justified by the "lyrics". Any claims that the noise-form contains any specific content in any language human or otherwise is therefore a fabrication, and should either be deleted or qualified as being "left to the listener to guess that that is what is being hinted at". 76.105.238.158 ( talk) 03:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
This is evidently more of the same anonymous author's attempt at irony. In the context it is clear that it is meant to be a criticism of my comments. The analogy that is being made is not valid. There is a difference between stating something and trying to hint at it so that the listener will guess at it, and I am unable to conceive why this anonymous editor thinks there is anything wrong with making the distinction. I also think it is a pity that he chooses to ridicule views he disagrees with, rather than explaining his reasons for disagreeing: if there is a good reason I would be very interested to know what it is. Or, to put it another way, the intended criticism of my comments is lost on me, as I do not understand the point: it would be more helpful to state the point explicitly. JamesBWatson ( talk) 10:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
There is no such person as "old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss". Townsend seems to be getting confused, or being deliberately silly. Lilian Baylis was a vaudeville figure in her youth, but best known as a theatre manager, and if you've seen her picture it's difficult to imagine even the horniest teenager being turned on by it. Other sources suggest that the Lily in question was the stripper Lili St. Cyr. Paul B ( talk) 15:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree, but I wish that Paul Barlow had linked his sources, so I could edit the page instead of the discussion. Sources make wikipedia happy fun place. Paulc206 ( talk) 18:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I realize that this is edging close to WP:OR, but I thought I'd put it out there as a possible explanation for the identity of "Lily". Lillie Langtry is the most frequently suggested reference, and she did indeed die in 1929. However, her name was spelled differently than the song's title, and Townshend may have chosen 1929 as a date for its rhyming value rather than representative of Langtry's influence. A bit closer to Townshend's time was Bild Lilli, a German comic strip of the 1950s-'60s about a very racy and often scantily-clad young woman. "Bild", of course, is German for "picture" and it also refers to the title of the tabloid in which the strip appeared -- Bild. It's possible that Townshend derived "Pictures of Lily" from "Bild Lilli" but was reluctant to make that association known, as that may have presented trademark issues. Bricology ( talk) 07:20, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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Image:TheWho PicturesOfLily German.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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Image:Thewho-picturesoflily1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 02:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The article in its present (21 October 2008) form states: "When his father gives him the pictures of the song's title, his problems are solved thanks to masturbation". In fact the lyrics of the song do not mention masturbation, nor even hint at it. That is a possible interpretation, but it is not justified by the lyrics, so I am replacing that sentence. JamesBWatson ( talk) 19:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Ah, of COURSE its about masturbation....!!! 74.4.24.34 ( talk) 20:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
However certain any individuals may feel that the song is hinting at masturbation, it does not MENTION masturbation. Wikipedia's policy on verifiability is perfectly clear, and "I know that that is what is about" is not sufficient grounds for making the assertion. A publication in a reliable source of a statement by the song writer that that was the intention might perhaps be sufficient. JamesBWatson ( talk) 12:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
See http://everything2.com/title/Pictures%2520of%2520Lily for quotes from Townshend, Daltrey, and Entwhistle that explicitly state that the song is about masturbation, and explicitly state that they sang it sweet and innocent to disguise that fact. 76.105.238.158 ( talk) 23:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the role of wikipedia to report on other sources, and not original research and speculation? It doesn't matter what the current person editing the article THINKS. It matters what various external sources think, and contradictory thoughts can be reported in the wiki article. Find well-published opinions about the song and source them -- did Rolling Stone think this was about masturbation? Have prominent musicians published any opinions? External sources, people. Anything else in this discussion is ... well, you know ... Paulc206 ( talk) 18:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
The song never explicitly mentions pin-ups, nor does it explicitly mention women in any fashion. That is a possible interpretation, but it is not justified by the lyrics. All mention of pin-ups, women, and masturbation should include the caveat that those ideas are not substantiated within the lyrics, which clearly refer to a nice picture of flowers and the peace of mind that can be found by meditating on the same. 76.105.238.158 ( talk) 03:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The sound-patterns contained within this noise-form are never explicitly declared to represent the English language, or indeed any human language. That is a possible interpretation, but it is not justified by the "lyrics". Any claims that the noise-form contains any specific content in any language human or otherwise is therefore a fabrication, and should either be deleted or qualified as being "left to the listener to guess that that is what is being hinted at". 76.105.238.158 ( talk) 03:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
This is evidently more of the same anonymous author's attempt at irony. In the context it is clear that it is meant to be a criticism of my comments. The analogy that is being made is not valid. There is a difference between stating something and trying to hint at it so that the listener will guess at it, and I am unable to conceive why this anonymous editor thinks there is anything wrong with making the distinction. I also think it is a pity that he chooses to ridicule views he disagrees with, rather than explaining his reasons for disagreeing: if there is a good reason I would be very interested to know what it is. Or, to put it another way, the intended criticism of my comments is lost on me, as I do not understand the point: it would be more helpful to state the point explicitly. JamesBWatson ( talk) 10:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
There is no such person as "old Vaudeville star - Lily Bayliss". Townsend seems to be getting confused, or being deliberately silly. Lilian Baylis was a vaudeville figure in her youth, but best known as a theatre manager, and if you've seen her picture it's difficult to imagine even the horniest teenager being turned on by it. Other sources suggest that the Lily in question was the stripper Lili St. Cyr. Paul B ( talk) 15:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree, but I wish that Paul Barlow had linked his sources, so I could edit the page instead of the discussion. Sources make wikipedia happy fun place. Paulc206 ( talk) 18:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I realize that this is edging close to WP:OR, but I thought I'd put it out there as a possible explanation for the identity of "Lily". Lillie Langtry is the most frequently suggested reference, and she did indeed die in 1929. However, her name was spelled differently than the song's title, and Townshend may have chosen 1929 as a date for its rhyming value rather than representative of Langtry's influence. A bit closer to Townshend's time was Bild Lilli, a German comic strip of the 1950s-'60s about a very racy and often scantily-clad young woman. "Bild", of course, is German for "picture" and it also refers to the title of the tabloid in which the strip appeared -- Bild. It's possible that Townshend derived "Pictures of Lily" from "Bild Lilli" but was reluctant to make that association known, as that may have presented trademark issues. Bricology ( talk) 07:20, 3 February 2016 (UTC)