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I added the "New Zealand" because there's a Picton in Prince Edward County, Quinte's Isle, Ontario. Someone can do the "dab"! Robin Patterson 01:26, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have added the line "His connection to the slave trade and controversial governorship of Trinidad has resulted in calls for places named after him to be renamed." to reflect a more balanced view of this man and his deeds. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Picton was named after Sir Thomas Picton (read: /info/en/?search=Thomas_Picton). The New Zealand town was named after Picton because he was the most senior person to die at the battle of Waterloo in 1815. Hero in this instance may simply mean the most posh person to die in a big battle. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Before Waterloo, Sir Picton was (in)famous for his treatment of slaves and non-whites during his governorship (1797–1803) of the slave colony of Trinidad (read: /info/en/?search=History_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago). As noted above, Picton was dragged back to the UK at the time to face trial for this mistreatment - but was acquitted on a technicality that Trinidad was not really under UK law at the time and therefore .. Picton could treat the non-whites as badly as he wanted. The fact that Picton was tried for cruelty to non-whites in a slave colony in a time when slavery and racism was part of the current climate may speak volumes about the type of man Picton was. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I cannot seem to find the exact reason why New Zealand towns were being named after war heroes from wars many a year previously - but it must have been deemed important. Right? The Duke of Wellington and Lord Nelson (also Napoleonic war heroes) got New Zealand towns named Nelson and Wellington after them. Also the Duke of Marlborough's win at the Battle of Blenheim in the War of the Spanish Succession (read: /info/en/?search=Battle_of_Blenheim)got the region Marlborough and town Blenheim named after that episode. Though this last one is 100 years previous to the Napoleonic wars, there does seem a need to display and remind everyone? of the colonial might of England, and wars or time frames were more or less irrelevant. Colonial positive spin and the Crown as the Conquerors might have been the game. Blenheim was originally called Beaver Town by the colonials. What was wrong with that? The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
It was been suggested on two occasions on the history of this page that bringing a balanced perspective about Sir Picton's life as Picton also being an inhuman slaver and racist not just a soldier who died at the battle of Waterloo (read: /info/en/?search=Sir_Thomas_Picton) is a media "fad" " .... Roger 8 Roger talk contribs 12,352 bytes +35 This is not really about the town's history, so I have moved it. Not sure if it warrants much more attention. It could be seen as a recent and short-term short term news fad..." and " Andrewgprout talk contribs 11,215 bytes -187 Reverted 1 edit by The.Wiki.Enthusiast (talk): I would wait to see if this has any long term significance - this is far from clear at the moment..."
I see the UN declaration of Human rights 1964 clearly challenges these - this human rights thing is all a fad point of view (read: /info/en/?search=History_of_human_rights). Specifically ... Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
I view these points of view suggesting human rights is a fad - are subversive and sinister in nature. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:52, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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I added the "New Zealand" because there's a Picton in Prince Edward County, Quinte's Isle, Ontario. Someone can do the "dab"! Robin Patterson 01:26, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have added the line "His connection to the slave trade and controversial governorship of Trinidad has resulted in calls for places named after him to be renamed." to reflect a more balanced view of this man and his deeds. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Picton was named after Sir Thomas Picton (read: /info/en/?search=Thomas_Picton). The New Zealand town was named after Picton because he was the most senior person to die at the battle of Waterloo in 1815. Hero in this instance may simply mean the most posh person to die in a big battle. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Before Waterloo, Sir Picton was (in)famous for his treatment of slaves and non-whites during his governorship (1797–1803) of the slave colony of Trinidad (read: /info/en/?search=History_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago). As noted above, Picton was dragged back to the UK at the time to face trial for this mistreatment - but was acquitted on a technicality that Trinidad was not really under UK law at the time and therefore .. Picton could treat the non-whites as badly as he wanted. The fact that Picton was tried for cruelty to non-whites in a slave colony in a time when slavery and racism was part of the current climate may speak volumes about the type of man Picton was. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I cannot seem to find the exact reason why New Zealand towns were being named after war heroes from wars many a year previously - but it must have been deemed important. Right? The Duke of Wellington and Lord Nelson (also Napoleonic war heroes) got New Zealand towns named Nelson and Wellington after them. Also the Duke of Marlborough's win at the Battle of Blenheim in the War of the Spanish Succession (read: /info/en/?search=Battle_of_Blenheim)got the region Marlborough and town Blenheim named after that episode. Though this last one is 100 years previous to the Napoleonic wars, there does seem a need to display and remind everyone? of the colonial might of England, and wars or time frames were more or less irrelevant. Colonial positive spin and the Crown as the Conquerors might have been the game. Blenheim was originally called Beaver Town by the colonials. What was wrong with that? The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
It was been suggested on two occasions on the history of this page that bringing a balanced perspective about Sir Picton's life as Picton also being an inhuman slaver and racist not just a soldier who died at the battle of Waterloo (read: /info/en/?search=Sir_Thomas_Picton) is a media "fad" " .... Roger 8 Roger talk contribs 12,352 bytes +35 This is not really about the town's history, so I have moved it. Not sure if it warrants much more attention. It could be seen as a recent and short-term short term news fad..." and " Andrewgprout talk contribs 11,215 bytes -187 Reverted 1 edit by The.Wiki.Enthusiast (talk): I would wait to see if this has any long term significance - this is far from clear at the moment..."
I see the UN declaration of Human rights 1964 clearly challenges these - this human rights thing is all a fad point of view (read: /info/en/?search=History_of_human_rights). Specifically ... Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
I view these points of view suggesting human rights is a fad - are subversive and sinister in nature. The.Wiki.Enthusiast ( talk) 10:52, 18 September 2020 (UTC)