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I'm really surprised there is no mention of Nectar's Restaurant anywhere in the article. It is, after all, THE place where the band first expanded their audience outside the college crowd. See Nectar's official site.
The place, and Nectar himself, was the inspiration for the song "A Picture of Nectar" and the reason for naming the LP was actually as a tribute to him and his establishment.
It was, after all, a very important part of the band's history. I would add something about it, but it would be considered "original research." I never saw them play there, but I saw it happen. I could never get in, along with many others who never got in the door!
Haven't taken the time to look for long. For some odd reason this seems to be difficult to find details about on the Web. It was very common knowledge in Burlington during the eighties, and when the LP was released. I'll see if I can dig up some reliable verification. -- SentientParadox ( talk) 17:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is riddled with fan attitude and needs some serious cleanup. Just a quick example:
Even the writer of an authorized biography would cringe writing an puff piece like that. Elsewhere, we can have members work on side projects without "deepening" them, and an announcement of reunion without repeating that it's "long-awaited." Etc. Etc. Msalt ( talk) 20:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I propose that the external link to the Phish fansite at phish.net be re-added and allowed to stay'.
This is run by the Mockingbird Foundation - a registered non-profit organization that is highly recognized by the band itself. Mockingbird Foundation at phish.com
Please note that I have no interest in phish.net, I simply think that in this case, the fan site is relevant. WP:EL offers an exceptions fansites which are written by a recognized authority. The requirement states that to count as a recognized authority, they should meet the notability requirement themselves. The foundation has a page at Wikipedia, which implies they are notable - however since that page appears to be poorly sourced, I also took the time to find some additional independent, reliable sources to help establish the reliability of the foundation. here.
- Addionne ( talk) 19:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I cleaned up a lot of the sources. There are two (pwnordie and Fromtheroad.phish.com) which appear to be dead and I can't find them. As for the rest, they're all properly cited now.-- Gen. Quon ( talk) 16:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I would like to see an explanation, or at least a link to one, as to why a band can be very popular but receive little radio play. Is this a type of music that nobody wants to hear on the radio? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.136.242 ( talk) 15:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Please. You may be trying to invent a new rule for yourselves, but I have heard the appellation "Phishheads" used on innumerable occasions by both fans of Phish as well as fans of the Grateful Dead to refer to fans of Phish. To say that one "never" refers to you as "Phishheads" is just plain WRONG and smacks of wishful (and rather belated) thinking. Please don't wish something for Phish that is plainly NOT TRUE. Thank you. 114.148.206.161 ( talk) 17:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
A number of recent articles by otherwise reliable sources indicate that Brian Camelio has some sort of connection to Phish.
Can anyone add clarity to this? The editors over at Journey (band) cannot provide any corroboration that Brian Camelio had anything to do with Journey.-- Nowa ( talk) 13:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
How can the band picture only include 75% of the band? Surely someone has an original pic of all 4 of the boys on stage! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.186.43 ( talk) 20:39, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't like this under the jazz portal first of all, but I made a lengthy edit to the genre of music subsection at the top of the page to stress my point that they are a JAM BAND, please accept it or move on. I would like my edit edited to the point the text of my argument is left out, but I REALLY, mean REALLY wanted to stress that to who ever came across so they to would try to keep the word JAM BAND labeled with this group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.28.92.64 ( talk) 06:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
For anyone from central NY, especially Syracuse, where Jon Fishman grew up and went to highschool, it's strongly believed, if not confirmed that the now very famous logo was heavily influenced by a popular local spot in Oswego, NY called Rudy's. Oswego is only about 30 miles from Syracuse, sits on Lake Ontario. Rudy's logo was first in use on their signage in the early 1980's around the time Phish was formed. Rudy's has been an Oswego, NY mainstay. Rudy's own website already proclaims there logo was in use first, without actually naming Phish. Of course remember Phish played Camp Oswego in 1999, on an Airfield in Volney, NY maybe 15 miles from Rudy's. The problem I am am having is find actual confirmation, reference-able other that the Rudy's page the logo's origin and Rudy's influence. Here is the link to Rudy's talking about the logo. http://rudyshot.com/about-rudys/-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 18:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
[14]"THE PARKING LOT after a Phish concert is a notoriously dirty drug scene. ... Now all I see are nitrous-filled balloons that sell for twenty dollars apiece and alcoholics who will grab your ass and may or may not end up passing out in a stranger’s tent. When Phish plays the Gorge in George, Washington, and everyone camps overnight, the lot becomes a virtual no man’s land. The people that you enjoyed the concert with turn into zombies, wobbling around high on cat tranquilizers (Ketamine) or stalking the sunrise on a slow comedown from their long, winding acid trip."
That's just after 10 minutes of looking. The drug related articles go on and on. 24.241.69.99 ( talk) 11:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm trying to become a better, more involved editor and have decided to try my hand at working on this article. I'm a big fan of Phish but also a former journalist so think I have a good understanding of how to stay neutral while covering this band.
Before I try and parse the issues that got this de-listed, I'm wondering if there are any other, more experienced editors, who are watching this page that might be willing to help me get this project started. IE: help me figure out what needs to be done, etc. In other words, I want to get this article back up to snuff but am not sure where to start.
Anyone interested, please ping me or hit me up on my Talk page.. Thanks! Axis42 ( talk) 02:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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Is there some reason Party time isn't mentioned in the discography section? Just because it didn't have a conventional release doesn't mean it's not a major studio album. I'm going to add it and hope I don't start an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.84.82 ( talk) 15:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks for bearing with me. It occurred to me checking out this article that I'd actually reviewed it for GA Sweeps more than a decade (!) ago. The article has definitely improved since then, but I see some remaining issues before it can reach GA status.
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Hi there! Don't have a ton of time today to go over much, but here's my responses for some of this
I will work to fix some of the issues here within the week. Doc Strange Mailbox Logbook 21:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
More updates on the Phish front:
Second update:
Sorry about the delay here. Wikipedia has not been on my mind over the last week, but I'll work on some of the suggested changes that I haven't gotten to over this and next week.
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Anastasio has said that the band is named after Fishman, who refutes this claim. Fishman said in an interview with Relix: "When it was time to decide a name for the band, I suggested the sound of an airplane taking off - 'phssssh.' But then we thought that we needed a vowel. Imagine people saying, 'We are going to see Phssssh tonight…' We had already designed the logo and the 'I' fit perfectly in the middle. So Phish was not named after me."
Fishman has also stated in radio interviews that he wanted the band to be named for the sound of an airplane taking off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C3:C000:1E30:A95C:531D:AB01:1BE4 ( talk) 20:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Doc Strange:: Sorry for doing it unexplained, removing some sections and making doubles of some, but it seemed that much of the sections overlapped and some was bound to be better placed on Phish concert tours and festivals. If you want you can recheck, but it was done no harm intended. It was done all with good intention. Regards: The Mad Hatter ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Jam band is a description, not a genre. Wolf O'Donnel ( talk) 18:28, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Why on earth would whoever uploaded the main photo use one that doesn't have all members shown? Jaco66 ( talk) 23:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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I don't know if there's anyone watching this article, but I wanted to let everyone know that all of the Live Phish Downloads are currently up for deletion here. — Music Maker 5376 19:43, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles' Project quality task force (" GA Sweeps"), all old good articles are being re-reviewed to ensure that they meet current good article criteria (as detailed at WP:WIAGA.) I have determined that this article needs some work to meet current criteria, outlined below:
I am putting the article on hold for one week pending improvements to the above. If you have questions or comments, please write them in this space. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs( talk) 22:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm really surprised there is no mention of Nectar's Restaurant anywhere in the article. It is, after all, THE place where the band first expanded their audience outside the college crowd. See Nectar's official site.
The place, and Nectar himself, was the inspiration for the song "A Picture of Nectar" and the reason for naming the LP was actually as a tribute to him and his establishment.
It was, after all, a very important part of the band's history. I would add something about it, but it would be considered "original research." I never saw them play there, but I saw it happen. I could never get in, along with many others who never got in the door!
Haven't taken the time to look for long. For some odd reason this seems to be difficult to find details about on the Web. It was very common knowledge in Burlington during the eighties, and when the LP was released. I'll see if I can dig up some reliable verification. -- SentientParadox ( talk) 17:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is riddled with fan attitude and needs some serious cleanup. Just a quick example:
Even the writer of an authorized biography would cringe writing an puff piece like that. Elsewhere, we can have members work on side projects without "deepening" them, and an announcement of reunion without repeating that it's "long-awaited." Etc. Etc. Msalt ( talk) 20:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I propose that the external link to the Phish fansite at phish.net be re-added and allowed to stay'.
This is run by the Mockingbird Foundation - a registered non-profit organization that is highly recognized by the band itself. Mockingbird Foundation at phish.com
Please note that I have no interest in phish.net, I simply think that in this case, the fan site is relevant. WP:EL offers an exceptions fansites which are written by a recognized authority. The requirement states that to count as a recognized authority, they should meet the notability requirement themselves. The foundation has a page at Wikipedia, which implies they are notable - however since that page appears to be poorly sourced, I also took the time to find some additional independent, reliable sources to help establish the reliability of the foundation. here.
- Addionne ( talk) 19:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I cleaned up a lot of the sources. There are two (pwnordie and Fromtheroad.phish.com) which appear to be dead and I can't find them. As for the rest, they're all properly cited now.-- Gen. Quon ( talk) 16:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I would like to see an explanation, or at least a link to one, as to why a band can be very popular but receive little radio play. Is this a type of music that nobody wants to hear on the radio? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.136.242 ( talk) 15:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Please. You may be trying to invent a new rule for yourselves, but I have heard the appellation "Phishheads" used on innumerable occasions by both fans of Phish as well as fans of the Grateful Dead to refer to fans of Phish. To say that one "never" refers to you as "Phishheads" is just plain WRONG and smacks of wishful (and rather belated) thinking. Please don't wish something for Phish that is plainly NOT TRUE. Thank you. 114.148.206.161 ( talk) 17:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
A number of recent articles by otherwise reliable sources indicate that Brian Camelio has some sort of connection to Phish.
Can anyone add clarity to this? The editors over at Journey (band) cannot provide any corroboration that Brian Camelio had anything to do with Journey.-- Nowa ( talk) 13:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
How can the band picture only include 75% of the band? Surely someone has an original pic of all 4 of the boys on stage! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.186.43 ( talk) 20:39, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't like this under the jazz portal first of all, but I made a lengthy edit to the genre of music subsection at the top of the page to stress my point that they are a JAM BAND, please accept it or move on. I would like my edit edited to the point the text of my argument is left out, but I REALLY, mean REALLY wanted to stress that to who ever came across so they to would try to keep the word JAM BAND labeled with this group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.28.92.64 ( talk) 06:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
For anyone from central NY, especially Syracuse, where Jon Fishman grew up and went to highschool, it's strongly believed, if not confirmed that the now very famous logo was heavily influenced by a popular local spot in Oswego, NY called Rudy's. Oswego is only about 30 miles from Syracuse, sits on Lake Ontario. Rudy's logo was first in use on their signage in the early 1980's around the time Phish was formed. Rudy's has been an Oswego, NY mainstay. Rudy's own website already proclaims there logo was in use first, without actually naming Phish. Of course remember Phish played Camp Oswego in 1999, on an Airfield in Volney, NY maybe 15 miles from Rudy's. The problem I am am having is find actual confirmation, reference-able other that the Rudy's page the logo's origin and Rudy's influence. Here is the link to Rudy's talking about the logo. http://rudyshot.com/about-rudys/-- 0pen$0urce ( talk) 18:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
[14]"THE PARKING LOT after a Phish concert is a notoriously dirty drug scene. ... Now all I see are nitrous-filled balloons that sell for twenty dollars apiece and alcoholics who will grab your ass and may or may not end up passing out in a stranger’s tent. When Phish plays the Gorge in George, Washington, and everyone camps overnight, the lot becomes a virtual no man’s land. The people that you enjoyed the concert with turn into zombies, wobbling around high on cat tranquilizers (Ketamine) or stalking the sunrise on a slow comedown from their long, winding acid trip."
That's just after 10 minutes of looking. The drug related articles go on and on. 24.241.69.99 ( talk) 11:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm trying to become a better, more involved editor and have decided to try my hand at working on this article. I'm a big fan of Phish but also a former journalist so think I have a good understanding of how to stay neutral while covering this band.
Before I try and parse the issues that got this de-listed, I'm wondering if there are any other, more experienced editors, who are watching this page that might be willing to help me get this project started. IE: help me figure out what needs to be done, etc. In other words, I want to get this article back up to snuff but am not sure where to start.
Anyone interested, please ping me or hit me up on my Talk page.. Thanks! Axis42 ( talk) 02:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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Is there some reason Party time isn't mentioned in the discography section? Just because it didn't have a conventional release doesn't mean it's not a major studio album. I'm going to add it and hope I don't start an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.84.82 ( talk) 15:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks for bearing with me. It occurred to me checking out this article that I'd actually reviewed it for GA Sweeps more than a decade (!) ago. The article has definitely improved since then, but I see some remaining issues before it can reach GA status.
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi there! Don't have a ton of time today to go over much, but here's my responses for some of this
I will work to fix some of the issues here within the week. Doc Strange Mailbox Logbook 21:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
More updates on the Phish front:
Second update:
Sorry about the delay here. Wikipedia has not been on my mind over the last week, but I'll work on some of the suggested changes that I haven't gotten to over this and next week.
Doc Strange
Mailbox
Logbook 03:47, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Anastasio has said that the band is named after Fishman, who refutes this claim. Fishman said in an interview with Relix: "When it was time to decide a name for the band, I suggested the sound of an airplane taking off - 'phssssh.' But then we thought that we needed a vowel. Imagine people saying, 'We are going to see Phssssh tonight…' We had already designed the logo and the 'I' fit perfectly in the middle. So Phish was not named after me."
Fishman has also stated in radio interviews that he wanted the band to be named for the sound of an airplane taking off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C3:C000:1E30:A95C:531D:AB01:1BE4 ( talk) 20:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Doc Strange:: Sorry for doing it unexplained, removing some sections and making doubles of some, but it seemed that much of the sections overlapped and some was bound to be better placed on Phish concert tours and festivals. If you want you can recheck, but it was done no harm intended. It was done all with good intention. Regards: The Mad Hatter ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Jam band is a description, not a genre. Wolf O'Donnel ( talk) 18:28, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Why on earth would whoever uploaded the main photo use one that doesn't have all members shown? Jaco66 ( talk) 23:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)