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Moved signature from initial article (Graham Pope BA Theology BTh (Hons)) here. You will find, Graham, that we generally don't sign articles, as they quickly move from one person's work to the work of many -- hopefully in an incrementally improving way. It will also be easier to have discussions with other users here if you set up a user name -- Someone else 09:28 Dec 31, 2002 (UTC)
==Deceptive texts in article Philomena was NEVER canonized by any pope. Permission to include a saint on local calendars is NOT canonization. She may have a popular cult among certain devoteees, but she has never been in the Roman Martyrology (which includes uncanonized saints) nor on the general Roman Calendar. These are the official documents of the Church identifying saints. All other mentions of her amount to permission of pious devotions, not official authorization. A real canonist needs to edit this entry. By the way, these facts do not "prove" that there was no women in what is known as "Philomena's tomb," nor that she might have been a martyr. This article needs to make these facts clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.51.38.41 ( talk) 11:50, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
There are some unclear points in the article:
"Her relationship with the Curé of Ars, through whom she is said to have performed miracles, is historically well-documented."
Is not the Curé of Ars a present-day priest? What "relationship" does/did he have with Philomena? Is it Roman-Catholic teaching that saints perform miracles? Are miracles not rather ascribed to the intercession of saints? Precisely what is historically well-documented?
S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.168.172.176 ( talk • contribs)
He had a great devotion to Saint Philomena. He built a shrine in her honour. He relied on her intercession. A number of miracles are attributed to her at Ars at the behest of Saint John Vianney
MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
"There are ongoing attempts to rehabilitate St. Philomena's position within the Catholic Church"
Only St. Catherine of Alexandria is as edifyingly fictional. The Roman Catholic Church has for more than a century now tried to rid itself of these pious fictions. Fictional tales of fictional saints is one thing, but the veneration of fictional saints is something entirely different. -- FourthAve 14:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Padre Pio, who had a devotion to her, stated that he felt any confusion over her is the work of satan.
Several of the common miss-information about the Saint is that the Cultus was suppressed in 1961. This is not true.
The Vatican recognized Saint Philomena today as strongly as when she was first canonized. The Universal Archconfraternity of Saint Philomena is still recognized and promoted by the Vatican. She is still recognized as the Patron Saint of the Universal Living Rosary and the Propagation of the Faith. Both organizations are still strongly supported by the Vatican.
The truth is that she was removed from the liturgical calendar in 1961. She had never been placed on the calendar in the United States and there are no churches that have changed their name, anywhere in the world, because of her removal from the liturgical calendar in 1961.
Several churches that bore her name in the United States were torn down, but that was in the name of progress, not in reaction to her being removed from the liturgical calendar.
From the liturgical approval of Gregory XVI to the papal decrees of St. Pius X, Nineteen acts of the Holy See in the course of five successive pontificates were issued in positive promotion of popular devotion to St. Philomena expressed in the form of elevations in rank of liturgical cultus, the erection of confraternities and archconfraternities, and the granting of plenary and partial indulgences.
Several acts of the Holy See particularly display the Magisterium’s approval and encouragement of ecclesial devotion to this Christian saint and martyr. Beyond the elevation of the rank of the mass and office previously granted by Gregory XVI, Bl. Pius IX approved a proper mass and office dedicated to St. Philomena with the papal confirmation of the previously submitted decree, Etsi decimo on January 31, 1855, a significant liturgical elevation, even though her name was never entered into the Roman Martyrology. The granting of a proper mass and office to St. Philomena, which took place following the return of Bl. Pius IX from a papal pilgrimage to Mugnano during his forced exile from Rome, was an unprecedented act in honor of a Christian martyr known only by name and evidence of martyrdom. Bl. Pius IX also granted plenary and partial indulgences to devotions in honor of St. Philomena at the Sanctuary in Mugnano.
Pope Leo XIII granted papal approbation to the Cord of St. Philomena with several plenary indulgences in association with its wearing, and accorded the title and privilege of “archconfraternity” for the respective Philomenian devotion and work in France. Pope St. Pius X continued the papal succession of encouragement for public Church devotion by approving the extension of the Archconfraternity of St. Philomena to the universal Church.
Far more than one solitary papal act by Gregory XVI, the papal Magisterium has repeatedly encouraged the nature and growth of ecclesial devotion to St. Philomena, in official recognition of her status as a saint, in public liturgical and devotional sanctions which extended to the universal faith and life of the Church, and thereby manifesting official and essential liturgical and devotional characteristics of her status as a saint as defined by the Church.
Leo XII Declared Saint Philomena, The Great Thaumaturgist of the 18th century. Leo XII, over and over again, expressed the highest admiration for the extraordinary power confered by the Almighty on this hitherto unknown child Saint, and listened with delight to the accounts given him of the wonders she worked. So authentic did he account the information he received and so irrefutable the facts related to him that, notwithstanding the extreme care which the Church usually takes in such matters, he had no hesitation in allowing alters to be dedicated and chapels to be erected in her honor.
Gregory XVI. Named her Patroness of the Living Rosary and conceded to her the Universal cult.
Gregory XVI was himself a witness of the great miracle of Mugnano, the cure of Pauline Marie Jaricot. He visited her in Rome before her departure for Mugnano and verified for himself the desperate condition in which she lay.
On her return to Rome Miss Jaricot was received by the Sovereign Pontiff with the warmest affection. He did not conceal his amazement exclaiming: "Is this indeed, our daughter or is it a vision from the other world?"
Thought profoundly touched by what he himself declared to be a "miracle of the first class" he in nowise relaxed the rigorous laws of the Roman tribunals. On the contrary he commanded the Sacred Congregation of Rites to proceed at once to a thorough investigation of the cause. The difficulties that had arisen were carefully analyzed, the doubts that had been raised were sifted to the utmost. All the facts from the discovery of the relics in 1802 to the latest miracles worked by the Saint were subjected to the minutest scrutiny, and this by the most experienced and keenest experts in Rome. After a protracted examination the Sacred Congregation gave a full and favorable decision in favour of the cult of the Saint. Yet the Holy Father, notwithstanding his own personal love for St. Philomena, spent two more years in prayer and deliberation before making his final renouncement.
At last to the great delight of the Saint's devoted clients, among whom were numbered several distinguished Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals, the Solemn Approval of the Church was made public. This was so complete and conferred so much glory on the Saint that it most amply compensated for the delay which had occurred.
The Pope was not content that Saint Philomena should be resided to the honors of the altar, and that her feast be established and her office given to the Church, he went much further and declared her to be "the Great Wonder-Worker of the XIX century" thus giving the Church's solemn sanction to those marvelous prodigies alleged to have been worked by the Saint, and effectually silencing the self-constituted critics who had taken on themselves to ridicule her cult in face of overwhelming evidence.
Not long after the same Holy Father gave the Saint the new title of Patroness of the Living Rosary.
As a last act of devotion and with the object of manifesting his personal affection for the Holy Virgin, the Pontiff sent a magnificent gold and silver lamp to her Sanctuary in Mugnano.
Pius IX. Miraculously cured by the Saint. When he became Pope, he made a pilgrimage to her sanctuary on November 7, 1849.
Pius IX was, perhaps, of all the Popes, the one who showed most special devotion to the Saint. When Archbishop of Spoleto he was already her devout client and earnestly spread her devotion. Later on, when Archbishop of Imola he fell dangerously ill and the greatest fears were entertained for his life. Near his bedside stood a beautiful image of his dear Saint who was heard to rap distinctly as she sometimes does, when about to perform some great miracle. Immediately favorable symptoms were noticed in the patient and these speedily developed into rapid convalescence. Years rolled by and the Archbishop became the immortal Pontiff of the Infallibility and the Immaculate Conception.
Far from forgetting his dear patroness when raised to the throne of St. Peter, this great Pope availed himself of his supreme power to shed still greater lustre on the name of St. Philomena.
To the intense joy of the inhabitants of Mugnano, he went on a pilgrimage to the Shrine of his Benefactress where he was solemnly received by the Bishop of Nola, the King, Queen and all the members of the Royal Family of Naples. He said mass on the alter of the Saint and afterwards publicly venerated her relics. He also declared her to be secondary Patroness of the Kingdom of Naples. In the year 1849 he named St. Philomena Patroness of the Children of Mary.
He granted her, later on, a proper office, which is such an extraordinary privilege that rarely or never has it been granted to any other Saint under similar circumstances.
When dying the aged Pontiff sent a most beautiful offering to Mugnano, the last touching tribute of his love and gratitude.
Leo XIII While Cardinal, made two pilgrimages to the Sanctuary.
Leo XIII before becoming Pope made two pilgrimages to Mugnano. Later on when Vicar of Christ he sent a valuable cross to the Sanctuary. He approved the Confraternity of the Saint and raised it to the rank of an Arch confraternity, enriching it with important indulgences.
St. Pius X Elevated the Pious Archconfraternity of Saint Philomena on May 21, 1912, into a Universal Pious Archconfraternity.
St. Pius X was no less devout to the Little Saint, to whom he sent by special envoy a magnificent gold ring and other costly presents. He was always pleased to hear of the wonders she worked.
The Servant of God, Sister Maria Luisa of Jesus. A fervent devotee of the Saint. She founded in Naples the religious order of the Sisters of Our Lady of Sorrows and Saint Philomena.
The Holy Curé of Ars. A great devotee of Saint Philomena, he diffused devotion to her throughout France.
Ven. Pauline Jaricot. Foundress of the Living Rosary and Propagation of the Faith, she was miraculously cured by Saint Philomena on August 10, 1835, and put her forward as the Supporter of Missionary Priests.
Blessed Bartholomew Longo. A devotee of the Little Saint, he placed under her patronage, Opere Pompeane.
St. Peter Juilian Eymard, St. Peter Chanel, St. Anthony Mary Claret, St. Madeleine Sophie Barat, St. Euphrasia Pelletier, St Francis Xavier Cabrini, St. John Nepomucene Neumann, Blessed Anna Maria Taigi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs)
I gather from your contributions that you are a devotee of Philomena's, and that she continues to attract devotees among some Roman Catholics. Every source I have consulted, from the extremely sceptical treatment in the 1909 Catholic Encyclopedia, to the Oxford Dictionary of Saints, also consulted, suggests that St Philomena has definitely been dropped from the roster. These sources may be wrong, but they are extant, and if you look you will find the statements in them confirm this present version.
By all means, add information about devotion to St Philomena to the article. If there is another side to the story about her continuing validity as an object of veneration for Roman Catholics, add that as well. I would point out, though, that it's bad form to simply delete all the comments from a talk page, and that I have taken care to preserve yours. Smerdis of Tlön 20:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I've just blocked two users ( User:Filumenae and User:68.228.225.187) for 24 hours for violating 3RR; there are a couple other users who are very close to a 3RR block. I don't care who started it, or who finished it: revert wars are bad, period.
The consensus on this article seems to be in favor of the version I have up now [1]. Changes may be appropriate, but wholesale replacement is not — especially with copyrighted content (you may have permission to reproduce, but do you have permission to relicense as GFDL?), and ESPECIALLY not when there's a "list of vandals" section at the bottom.
If either of the blocked users goes back to his/her old ways when their block expires tomorrow (at ~17:50 UTC), then I'm blocking them again for a longer period and/or protecting the article. However, if they can actually work with other users on original, NPOV content, then I'm willing to give them another chance. - jredmond 18:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I see from your reaction to my email to you and the change of the web page after I changed it that you are not open to discussion about the truth of St Philomena. I also notice you did not display my comments on the discussion board.I also have just discovered that the one changing it to day is a fellow collegue of mine from the Sanctuary of St Philomena. Can you please tell me why you do not want to display the truth about St Philomena on this web page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princess13 ( talk • contribs)
Regarding the removal of the comment: “further analysis, what was thought to be blood contained in the glass vessel was proved to be only perfume”
The vial mentioned was translated with the rest of the relics from Rome to Mugnano del Cardinale Italy in 1805. It has been in the possession of the Sanctuary of Saint Philomena from that date. And no test, scientific or otherwise that has been performed on the vial to determine its contents has ever concluded that the contents were perfume. The published report on the St. Patrick website that it was determined that the content of the vial was perfume is not based in truth or fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs)
It came from here.- E. abu Filumena 05:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
"Why was Saint Philomena removed from the list of Saints in February of 1961 ?"
From memory:
Saint Philomena was removed from the list of Saints at that time, as indeed there was not clear evidence that she ever existed.
At the time the Communist Party of Italy were expected to win a General Election in Italy and were using phrases such as The Church had invented Saint Philomena and Saint Christopher as there was no evidence that they ever existed.
Pope John XXIII removed them from the list of Saints.
However, evidence was produced that Saint Philomena existed and The Church viewed her resting place, so within the week she was formally replaced on the list of Saints.
Saint Christopher:
The Eastern Church produced the evidence of his existance and his execution under Decius and he was replaced on the list of Saints within the month.
The Communist Party lost the General Election in Italy at the time.
These events I am sure of and when I get the opportunity I will check the news items at The Vatican.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 09:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I think that there are two different lists. In hindsight I should have been aware of this point.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 13:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
They were replaced on The List of Saints, but not on The Liturgical Calander List of Saints.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 00:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I think that there are two different lists. In hindsight I should have been aware of this point.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 13:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
To be placed on The List of Saints is a statement from The Church that that person is a Saint of God in Heaven to be honoured and to be part of The Creed that says: " I believe in The Communion of Saints". This is perhaps the greatest honour The Church (below) can bestow on a departed soul. Hence, The Church takes the process of Canonization very seriously.
The Liturgical Calander of Saints List is meant to be practical and relevent to the everyday life of The Church ( The People of God ) and practical and workable.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 01:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
For Saint Philomena to be possitively referred to as a Martyr, it would have to be certain that she died in defence of her faith not just merely as a rejection of the advances of the Emporer and as time and witnesses are against this assurance the Church concentrates on the fact that she is a Saint and has always been venerated as such.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 02:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The Church uses these terms, not necessarly in the literal sense. Quite a number of Saints are such because they lived a holy life, and were not martyred.
I refer you to an article page in Wikipedia entitled "Hermeneutics".
Trying to understand Saint Philomena outside the Church that formed her is a bit like studying Marine Biology from dry land! Sooner or later you'll make a mistake.
To understand these things better and particularly what the Church teaches you need to study Denzinger-Rahnar, (page reference on Wikipedia).
MacOfJesus ( talk) 20:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
You need to know what is meant by The Liturgical Calander of Saints and how it is used, how there is a significant difference in the honour given to the Saints in it and how they are classafied accordingly. Heremeneutics, is a study that can be taken up and is useful for all. It is a dicipline that is a Science of its own.
There is no short cut in dealing with the Sciences we are dealing with.
The Liturgical Calander of Saints is not a Dogma.
Yet this is something that we are totally familiar with, and is an everyday reality for us.
I ask you also to study Patrology. You may find a different list here.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 12:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Please look up "Doctors of The Church" a very good site in Wikipedia, not exclusively a male list, and very few martyrs.
In fact, going through the list again, I cannot find one martyr. Correct me if you do.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 22:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Now look up the list of Patriarchs, you may find the word used in different ways to mean different people. It depends on the content of sentence in which it is used. Again we are back to heremeunics.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 22:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
In site "harrowing of hell" in wikipedia, a famous painting of "Christ leads the patriarchs from hell" 1480. But I cannot see Saint Dismas, in the painting!
MacOfJesus ( talk) 19:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
"...Pope Gregory XVI, on January 13, 1837, in a solemn decree based solely on power of her undeniable miracles, raised an unknown thirteen-year-old early martyr named Philomena to the altar of the Church, granting a Mass in her honor, and thereby giving official approval to public devotion to her. This liturgical honor constituted the only instance of a Proper Office being granted to a saint from the catacombs of whom nothing is known except her name and the bare fact that she was martyred for the Faith. “Filumena” was now officially St. Philomena, a canonized saint of the Catholic Church."
Quoted from the book, "It is Time to Meet St. Philomena", by Dr. Mark Miravalle, ISBN: 9781579183336, Page 6 - [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
"The 2001 Roman Martyrology
A more recent resurgence of the controversy took place with the 2001 publication of the revised Roman Martyrology by the Congregation of Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. The omission of St. Philomena was interpreted by various media sources to indicate that the Catholic Church no longer recognized her as a saint. This conclusion is inaccurate for several reasons.
St. Philomena had never been included in the Roman martyrologies in the first place, and therefore was not “removed.”
The Roman Martyrology does not, and never did, constitute a comprehensive compilation of every saint and martyr recognized by the Church, and was never introduced by the Congregation of Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as such. Because a saint is not in the Martyrology does not mean the Church does not recognize that person as a saint.
The Holy See continues to permit public devotion to St. Philomena, which obviously pre-supposes the Church’s continued belief in her existence. The universal shrine at Mugnano still operates with the blessing of the local Bishop of Nola, and the universal archconfraternity continues with ecclesiastical approval as well—and has experienced a significant worldwide renewal and promulgation of veneration to St. Philomena since the Second Vatican Council. It must also be kept in mind that historically the Papal Magisterium has granted many plenary and partial indulgences for devotion to her, supported and introduced liturgical veneration of St. Philomena, and granted universal approbation to her archconfraternity."
Quoted from the book, "It is Time to Meet St. Philomena", by Dr. Mark Miravalle, ISBN: 9781579183336, Pages 20,21 - [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Again, if you mean was she ever on the list of Martyrs? Or on the List of Saints? In using the term Martyrology here confusion occurs. Martyrology is the term used often in Rome, but there, it is precise in its meaning.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 20:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
The word Martyrology follows not the English understanding of the word martyr, but rather the Greek: ( a witness). Following the Scripture: "With this great cloud of witnesses about us...." (Hebrews 12:1).
MacOfJesus ( talk) 10:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
"the body that had been found was of the fourth century, when the persecutions of Christians had ended."
This needs rephrasing. Diocletianic Persecution (303 - 311/313) is placed within the 4th century. Dimadick ( talk) 13:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I invite Merk1333 to discuss these changes here.
Why do you have such a dislike for a Great Saint of the Catholic Church that you post information that is incorrect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 19:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Why do you have such a dislike for a Great Saint of the Catholic Church ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 20:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Why do you have such a dislike for a Great Saint of the Catholic Church ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 23:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC) These people are posting wrong information about Saint Philomena...What can be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 13:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC) A question please... in the article you not many qualified sources and opinions... Like the Popes and Dr. Mark Miravalle but then you dismiss theire opinions and form your own! And then delete my opinions.! but stand on your 'opinions' can you explain?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 14:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
HI.. under Problems you put "supposed saint". Saint Philomena is and has always been a Saint of the Catholic Church... I would request that the "supposed" be removed. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 19:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
CliffC Thanks for the kind reply...that is my point I feel the current way it is written suggests doubt to some readers.. I have been in touch with the Shrine in Italy as well as Dr Miraville and conclude that there is no doubt regarding Saint Philomena. Many past Popes and Saints of the Catholic Church have demonstrated devotion and recognition to this Saint. Also the article says..The removal of the name of Philomena even from local calendars was due to problems raised by scholars. From what I have been able to determine, it was only one 'scholar' and his 'opinion' has indeed been called into question....Can the 'supposed' be changed. AS well as a note added that Saint Philomena is still a Saint of the Church???? Thanks Merk1333 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 21:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks very much...I appreciate you explaination and kind help and comments...I do have one other point please..the article says, "The removal of the name of Philomena even from local calendars was due to problems raised by scholars". From the extensive research I have done, it appears that there was only one 'scholar' involved in raising questions and Dr Miraville in his paper has taken care of that scholars issues. There were a number of feast days removed from the calendar in the 1961 reorganization, not having a Saint on the Liturgical Calendar does not remove them from the communion of Saints. Saint Philomena is a great Saint, and that is not a personal opinion...since we have had several Popes and other Canonized Saints give her recognition, it really changes from opinion to factual. Thanks merk1333 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Merk1333 ( talk • contribs) 12:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! Appreciated! Merk1333 ( talk) 20:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
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There was confusion over The Church's list of Saints, what it is and where it is kept, etc. Apart from The Calender list and The Local Calender list and as list of Doctors of The Church, there is no written list! When a Saint is to be added a declaration of Canonization or a declaration is made. The Church will simply say that this person can be honoured as a Saint. It remains as an event in history.
The idea is that the real list is in Heaven.
I am aware that Saint Philomena was formally by Pope John XXIII, replaced on the list of Saints, but not on the General Calender.
This event is readily verafiable!
MacOfJesus ( talk) 12:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Neither is Saint Dismas and many more! The list here below will always be a dim reflection. MacOfJesus ( talk) 15:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
The list you speak of is not meant to be an exhaustive list, but rather an official list to work from. Saint Dismas is perhaps the best example, as no one doubts his credentials. Made so by Jesus Himself! The many Canonized Saints that Pope John Paul II made are not included either, such as Saint Faustina of Krackov. The reason being that the seasonal Liturgy could not be celebrated if the calendar is filled-up with too many Saints! A priority has to be made! MacOfJesus ( talk) 15:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
The point I am making is that Saint Philomena was formally replaced on the list of Saints by Pope John XXIII. There are approx. 11 Saint Bernards. The last was hacked to death in Japan! (This is not my opinion, the exact list can be found in Wikipedia. I too keep my opinions out of here.). MacOfJesus ( talk) 20:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
He in a formal ceremony, placed her on the list of Saints. That is; declared her a Saint to be honoured by all the faithful. This was within the week he formally removed her. This is not a mechanical list as a declaration. Evidenced, at the time, from news items from Rome. MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
"List of Saints" phrase is meant in its supplied sense not in its literal sense. It happened, by way of a public formal ceremony at the steps of Saint Peter's Square, (From memory). This is a declaration, rather than a "list". This confusion is the reason why many were annoyed on this site in the past. Now the article page reflects this confusion. The phrase: "List of Saints", is understood very differently within the Church as outside It. It is why many of us are reluctant to amend it, but now are amused at it! MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:47, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Would like to see more history info on the cult of St. Philomena over the centuries, and the impact of symbolism attached to her. (And I mean "cult" only in the RC sense!). OttawaAC ( talk) 02:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Please do not remove "Saint" from St. Philomena's title and do not use the term "formerly venerated". She is still venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church. If you read the article it is plain to see. She was removed from the calendar for purpose of public veneration. But her shrine still exists, her cult is still active, and I can assure you that there are Masses held in her honor at various times of the year (discovery of her relics, etc.) Elizium23 ( talk) 23:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand the purpose of tagging 'venerated' in the lede. St. Philomena is worthy of veneration by anyone in the Roman Catholic Church. Devotion at her shrine and by the Archconfraternity is documented in the lede and it would be redundant and limiting to clutter up the initial sentence with these qualifiers. Elizium23 ( talk) 12:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
There is a woman mentioned in the Tempus est Iocundum in "Codex Buranus, 179", with the same name. Given the age of things, is this the same woman ? 85.226.209.195 ( talk) 12:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
The dates in this article variously used dmy and mdy formats, doubtless owing to the conflicts that seem at times to have arisen over editing. Given that there was no guidance at the head of the text, and that the birth and death dates in the infobox were in mdy format, I chose to standardize in that format, except where another format was given in a quotation. By all means, switch it around if it is felt I acted in error - but at least the article now has some added consistency! Harfarhs ( talk) 16:11, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
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Moved signature from initial article (Graham Pope BA Theology BTh (Hons)) here. You will find, Graham, that we generally don't sign articles, as they quickly move from one person's work to the work of many -- hopefully in an incrementally improving way. It will also be easier to have discussions with other users here if you set up a user name -- Someone else 09:28 Dec 31, 2002 (UTC)
==Deceptive texts in article Philomena was NEVER canonized by any pope. Permission to include a saint on local calendars is NOT canonization. She may have a popular cult among certain devoteees, but she has never been in the Roman Martyrology (which includes uncanonized saints) nor on the general Roman Calendar. These are the official documents of the Church identifying saints. All other mentions of her amount to permission of pious devotions, not official authorization. A real canonist needs to edit this entry. By the way, these facts do not "prove" that there was no women in what is known as "Philomena's tomb," nor that she might have been a martyr. This article needs to make these facts clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.51.38.41 ( talk) 11:50, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
There are some unclear points in the article:
"Her relationship with the Curé of Ars, through whom she is said to have performed miracles, is historically well-documented."
Is not the Curé of Ars a present-day priest? What "relationship" does/did he have with Philomena? Is it Roman-Catholic teaching that saints perform miracles? Are miracles not rather ascribed to the intercession of saints? Precisely what is historically well-documented?
S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.168.172.176 ( talk • contribs)
He had a great devotion to Saint Philomena. He built a shrine in her honour. He relied on her intercession. A number of miracles are attributed to her at Ars at the behest of Saint John Vianney
MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
"There are ongoing attempts to rehabilitate St. Philomena's position within the Catholic Church"
Only St. Catherine of Alexandria is as edifyingly fictional. The Roman Catholic Church has for more than a century now tried to rid itself of these pious fictions. Fictional tales of fictional saints is one thing, but the veneration of fictional saints is something entirely different. -- FourthAve 14:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Padre Pio, who had a devotion to her, stated that he felt any confusion over her is the work of satan.
Several of the common miss-information about the Saint is that the Cultus was suppressed in 1961. This is not true.
The Vatican recognized Saint Philomena today as strongly as when she was first canonized. The Universal Archconfraternity of Saint Philomena is still recognized and promoted by the Vatican. She is still recognized as the Patron Saint of the Universal Living Rosary and the Propagation of the Faith. Both organizations are still strongly supported by the Vatican.
The truth is that she was removed from the liturgical calendar in 1961. She had never been placed on the calendar in the United States and there are no churches that have changed their name, anywhere in the world, because of her removal from the liturgical calendar in 1961.
Several churches that bore her name in the United States were torn down, but that was in the name of progress, not in reaction to her being removed from the liturgical calendar.
From the liturgical approval of Gregory XVI to the papal decrees of St. Pius X, Nineteen acts of the Holy See in the course of five successive pontificates were issued in positive promotion of popular devotion to St. Philomena expressed in the form of elevations in rank of liturgical cultus, the erection of confraternities and archconfraternities, and the granting of plenary and partial indulgences.
Several acts of the Holy See particularly display the Magisterium’s approval and encouragement of ecclesial devotion to this Christian saint and martyr. Beyond the elevation of the rank of the mass and office previously granted by Gregory XVI, Bl. Pius IX approved a proper mass and office dedicated to St. Philomena with the papal confirmation of the previously submitted decree, Etsi decimo on January 31, 1855, a significant liturgical elevation, even though her name was never entered into the Roman Martyrology. The granting of a proper mass and office to St. Philomena, which took place following the return of Bl. Pius IX from a papal pilgrimage to Mugnano during his forced exile from Rome, was an unprecedented act in honor of a Christian martyr known only by name and evidence of martyrdom. Bl. Pius IX also granted plenary and partial indulgences to devotions in honor of St. Philomena at the Sanctuary in Mugnano.
Pope Leo XIII granted papal approbation to the Cord of St. Philomena with several plenary indulgences in association with its wearing, and accorded the title and privilege of “archconfraternity” for the respective Philomenian devotion and work in France. Pope St. Pius X continued the papal succession of encouragement for public Church devotion by approving the extension of the Archconfraternity of St. Philomena to the universal Church.
Far more than one solitary papal act by Gregory XVI, the papal Magisterium has repeatedly encouraged the nature and growth of ecclesial devotion to St. Philomena, in official recognition of her status as a saint, in public liturgical and devotional sanctions which extended to the universal faith and life of the Church, and thereby manifesting official and essential liturgical and devotional characteristics of her status as a saint as defined by the Church.
Leo XII Declared Saint Philomena, The Great Thaumaturgist of the 18th century. Leo XII, over and over again, expressed the highest admiration for the extraordinary power confered by the Almighty on this hitherto unknown child Saint, and listened with delight to the accounts given him of the wonders she worked. So authentic did he account the information he received and so irrefutable the facts related to him that, notwithstanding the extreme care which the Church usually takes in such matters, he had no hesitation in allowing alters to be dedicated and chapels to be erected in her honor.
Gregory XVI. Named her Patroness of the Living Rosary and conceded to her the Universal cult.
Gregory XVI was himself a witness of the great miracle of Mugnano, the cure of Pauline Marie Jaricot. He visited her in Rome before her departure for Mugnano and verified for himself the desperate condition in which she lay.
On her return to Rome Miss Jaricot was received by the Sovereign Pontiff with the warmest affection. He did not conceal his amazement exclaiming: "Is this indeed, our daughter or is it a vision from the other world?"
Thought profoundly touched by what he himself declared to be a "miracle of the first class" he in nowise relaxed the rigorous laws of the Roman tribunals. On the contrary he commanded the Sacred Congregation of Rites to proceed at once to a thorough investigation of the cause. The difficulties that had arisen were carefully analyzed, the doubts that had been raised were sifted to the utmost. All the facts from the discovery of the relics in 1802 to the latest miracles worked by the Saint were subjected to the minutest scrutiny, and this by the most experienced and keenest experts in Rome. After a protracted examination the Sacred Congregation gave a full and favorable decision in favour of the cult of the Saint. Yet the Holy Father, notwithstanding his own personal love for St. Philomena, spent two more years in prayer and deliberation before making his final renouncement.
At last to the great delight of the Saint's devoted clients, among whom were numbered several distinguished Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals, the Solemn Approval of the Church was made public. This was so complete and conferred so much glory on the Saint that it most amply compensated for the delay which had occurred.
The Pope was not content that Saint Philomena should be resided to the honors of the altar, and that her feast be established and her office given to the Church, he went much further and declared her to be "the Great Wonder-Worker of the XIX century" thus giving the Church's solemn sanction to those marvelous prodigies alleged to have been worked by the Saint, and effectually silencing the self-constituted critics who had taken on themselves to ridicule her cult in face of overwhelming evidence.
Not long after the same Holy Father gave the Saint the new title of Patroness of the Living Rosary.
As a last act of devotion and with the object of manifesting his personal affection for the Holy Virgin, the Pontiff sent a magnificent gold and silver lamp to her Sanctuary in Mugnano.
Pius IX. Miraculously cured by the Saint. When he became Pope, he made a pilgrimage to her sanctuary on November 7, 1849.
Pius IX was, perhaps, of all the Popes, the one who showed most special devotion to the Saint. When Archbishop of Spoleto he was already her devout client and earnestly spread her devotion. Later on, when Archbishop of Imola he fell dangerously ill and the greatest fears were entertained for his life. Near his bedside stood a beautiful image of his dear Saint who was heard to rap distinctly as she sometimes does, when about to perform some great miracle. Immediately favorable symptoms were noticed in the patient and these speedily developed into rapid convalescence. Years rolled by and the Archbishop became the immortal Pontiff of the Infallibility and the Immaculate Conception.
Far from forgetting his dear patroness when raised to the throne of St. Peter, this great Pope availed himself of his supreme power to shed still greater lustre on the name of St. Philomena.
To the intense joy of the inhabitants of Mugnano, he went on a pilgrimage to the Shrine of his Benefactress where he was solemnly received by the Bishop of Nola, the King, Queen and all the members of the Royal Family of Naples. He said mass on the alter of the Saint and afterwards publicly venerated her relics. He also declared her to be secondary Patroness of the Kingdom of Naples. In the year 1849 he named St. Philomena Patroness of the Children of Mary.
He granted her, later on, a proper office, which is such an extraordinary privilege that rarely or never has it been granted to any other Saint under similar circumstances.
When dying the aged Pontiff sent a most beautiful offering to Mugnano, the last touching tribute of his love and gratitude.
Leo XIII While Cardinal, made two pilgrimages to the Sanctuary.
Leo XIII before becoming Pope made two pilgrimages to Mugnano. Later on when Vicar of Christ he sent a valuable cross to the Sanctuary. He approved the Confraternity of the Saint and raised it to the rank of an Arch confraternity, enriching it with important indulgences.
St. Pius X Elevated the Pious Archconfraternity of Saint Philomena on May 21, 1912, into a Universal Pious Archconfraternity.
St. Pius X was no less devout to the Little Saint, to whom he sent by special envoy a magnificent gold ring and other costly presents. He was always pleased to hear of the wonders she worked.
The Servant of God, Sister Maria Luisa of Jesus. A fervent devotee of the Saint. She founded in Naples the religious order of the Sisters of Our Lady of Sorrows and Saint Philomena.
The Holy Curé of Ars. A great devotee of Saint Philomena, he diffused devotion to her throughout France.
Ven. Pauline Jaricot. Foundress of the Living Rosary and Propagation of the Faith, she was miraculously cured by Saint Philomena on August 10, 1835, and put her forward as the Supporter of Missionary Priests.
Blessed Bartholomew Longo. A devotee of the Little Saint, he placed under her patronage, Opere Pompeane.
St. Peter Juilian Eymard, St. Peter Chanel, St. Anthony Mary Claret, St. Madeleine Sophie Barat, St. Euphrasia Pelletier, St Francis Xavier Cabrini, St. John Nepomucene Neumann, Blessed Anna Maria Taigi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs)
I gather from your contributions that you are a devotee of Philomena's, and that she continues to attract devotees among some Roman Catholics. Every source I have consulted, from the extremely sceptical treatment in the 1909 Catholic Encyclopedia, to the Oxford Dictionary of Saints, also consulted, suggests that St Philomena has definitely been dropped from the roster. These sources may be wrong, but they are extant, and if you look you will find the statements in them confirm this present version.
By all means, add information about devotion to St Philomena to the article. If there is another side to the story about her continuing validity as an object of veneration for Roman Catholics, add that as well. I would point out, though, that it's bad form to simply delete all the comments from a talk page, and that I have taken care to preserve yours. Smerdis of Tlön 20:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I've just blocked two users ( User:Filumenae and User:68.228.225.187) for 24 hours for violating 3RR; there are a couple other users who are very close to a 3RR block. I don't care who started it, or who finished it: revert wars are bad, period.
The consensus on this article seems to be in favor of the version I have up now [1]. Changes may be appropriate, but wholesale replacement is not — especially with copyrighted content (you may have permission to reproduce, but do you have permission to relicense as GFDL?), and ESPECIALLY not when there's a "list of vandals" section at the bottom.
If either of the blocked users goes back to his/her old ways when their block expires tomorrow (at ~17:50 UTC), then I'm blocking them again for a longer period and/or protecting the article. However, if they can actually work with other users on original, NPOV content, then I'm willing to give them another chance. - jredmond 18:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I see from your reaction to my email to you and the change of the web page after I changed it that you are not open to discussion about the truth of St Philomena. I also notice you did not display my comments on the discussion board.I also have just discovered that the one changing it to day is a fellow collegue of mine from the Sanctuary of St Philomena. Can you please tell me why you do not want to display the truth about St Philomena on this web page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princess13 ( talk • contribs)
Regarding the removal of the comment: “further analysis, what was thought to be blood contained in the glass vessel was proved to be only perfume”
The vial mentioned was translated with the rest of the relics from Rome to Mugnano del Cardinale Italy in 1805. It has been in the possession of the Sanctuary of Saint Philomena from that date. And no test, scientific or otherwise that has been performed on the vial to determine its contents has ever concluded that the contents were perfume. The published report on the St. Patrick website that it was determined that the content of the vial was perfume is not based in truth or fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs)
It came from here.- E. abu Filumena 05:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
"Why was Saint Philomena removed from the list of Saints in February of 1961 ?"
From memory:
Saint Philomena was removed from the list of Saints at that time, as indeed there was not clear evidence that she ever existed.
At the time the Communist Party of Italy were expected to win a General Election in Italy and were using phrases such as The Church had invented Saint Philomena and Saint Christopher as there was no evidence that they ever existed.
Pope John XXIII removed them from the list of Saints.
However, evidence was produced that Saint Philomena existed and The Church viewed her resting place, so within the week she was formally replaced on the list of Saints.
Saint Christopher:
The Eastern Church produced the evidence of his existance and his execution under Decius and he was replaced on the list of Saints within the month.
The Communist Party lost the General Election in Italy at the time.
These events I am sure of and when I get the opportunity I will check the news items at The Vatican.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 09:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I think that there are two different lists. In hindsight I should have been aware of this point.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 13:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
They were replaced on The List of Saints, but not on The Liturgical Calander List of Saints.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 00:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I think that there are two different lists. In hindsight I should have been aware of this point.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 13:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
To be placed on The List of Saints is a statement from The Church that that person is a Saint of God in Heaven to be honoured and to be part of The Creed that says: " I believe in The Communion of Saints". This is perhaps the greatest honour The Church (below) can bestow on a departed soul. Hence, The Church takes the process of Canonization very seriously.
The Liturgical Calander of Saints List is meant to be practical and relevent to the everyday life of The Church ( The People of God ) and practical and workable.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 01:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
For Saint Philomena to be possitively referred to as a Martyr, it would have to be certain that she died in defence of her faith not just merely as a rejection of the advances of the Emporer and as time and witnesses are against this assurance the Church concentrates on the fact that she is a Saint and has always been venerated as such.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 02:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The Church uses these terms, not necessarly in the literal sense. Quite a number of Saints are such because they lived a holy life, and were not martyred.
I refer you to an article page in Wikipedia entitled "Hermeneutics".
Trying to understand Saint Philomena outside the Church that formed her is a bit like studying Marine Biology from dry land! Sooner or later you'll make a mistake.
To understand these things better and particularly what the Church teaches you need to study Denzinger-Rahnar, (page reference on Wikipedia).
MacOfJesus ( talk) 20:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
You need to know what is meant by The Liturgical Calander of Saints and how it is used, how there is a significant difference in the honour given to the Saints in it and how they are classafied accordingly. Heremeneutics, is a study that can be taken up and is useful for all. It is a dicipline that is a Science of its own.
There is no short cut in dealing with the Sciences we are dealing with.
The Liturgical Calander of Saints is not a Dogma.
Yet this is something that we are totally familiar with, and is an everyday reality for us.
I ask you also to study Patrology. You may find a different list here.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 12:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Please look up "Doctors of The Church" a very good site in Wikipedia, not exclusively a male list, and very few martyrs.
In fact, going through the list again, I cannot find one martyr. Correct me if you do.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 22:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Now look up the list of Patriarchs, you may find the word used in different ways to mean different people. It depends on the content of sentence in which it is used. Again we are back to heremeunics.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 22:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
In site "harrowing of hell" in wikipedia, a famous painting of "Christ leads the patriarchs from hell" 1480. But I cannot see Saint Dismas, in the painting!
MacOfJesus ( talk) 19:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
"...Pope Gregory XVI, on January 13, 1837, in a solemn decree based solely on power of her undeniable miracles, raised an unknown thirteen-year-old early martyr named Philomena to the altar of the Church, granting a Mass in her honor, and thereby giving official approval to public devotion to her. This liturgical honor constituted the only instance of a Proper Office being granted to a saint from the catacombs of whom nothing is known except her name and the bare fact that she was martyred for the Faith. “Filumena” was now officially St. Philomena, a canonized saint of the Catholic Church."
Quoted from the book, "It is Time to Meet St. Philomena", by Dr. Mark Miravalle, ISBN: 9781579183336, Page 6 - [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
"The 2001 Roman Martyrology
A more recent resurgence of the controversy took place with the 2001 publication of the revised Roman Martyrology by the Congregation of Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. The omission of St. Philomena was interpreted by various media sources to indicate that the Catholic Church no longer recognized her as a saint. This conclusion is inaccurate for several reasons.
St. Philomena had never been included in the Roman martyrologies in the first place, and therefore was not “removed.”
The Roman Martyrology does not, and never did, constitute a comprehensive compilation of every saint and martyr recognized by the Church, and was never introduced by the Congregation of Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as such. Because a saint is not in the Martyrology does not mean the Church does not recognize that person as a saint.
The Holy See continues to permit public devotion to St. Philomena, which obviously pre-supposes the Church’s continued belief in her existence. The universal shrine at Mugnano still operates with the blessing of the local Bishop of Nola, and the universal archconfraternity continues with ecclesiastical approval as well—and has experienced a significant worldwide renewal and promulgation of veneration to St. Philomena since the Second Vatican Council. It must also be kept in mind that historically the Papal Magisterium has granted many plenary and partial indulgences for devotion to her, supported and introduced liturgical veneration of St. Philomena, and granted universal approbation to her archconfraternity."
Quoted from the book, "It is Time to Meet St. Philomena", by Dr. Mark Miravalle, ISBN: 9781579183336, Pages 20,21 - [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filumenae ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Again, if you mean was she ever on the list of Martyrs? Or on the List of Saints? In using the term Martyrology here confusion occurs. Martyrology is the term used often in Rome, but there, it is precise in its meaning.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 20:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
The word Martyrology follows not the English understanding of the word martyr, but rather the Greek: ( a witness). Following the Scripture: "With this great cloud of witnesses about us...." (Hebrews 12:1).
MacOfJesus ( talk) 10:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
"the body that had been found was of the fourth century, when the persecutions of Christians had ended."
This needs rephrasing. Diocletianic Persecution (303 - 311/313) is placed within the 4th century. Dimadick ( talk) 13:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I invite Merk1333 to discuss these changes here.
Why do you have such a dislike for a Great Saint of the Catholic Church that you post information that is incorrect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 19:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Why do you have such a dislike for a Great Saint of the Catholic Church ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 20:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Why do you have such a dislike for a Great Saint of the Catholic Church ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 23:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC) These people are posting wrong information about Saint Philomena...What can be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 13:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC) A question please... in the article you not many qualified sources and opinions... Like the Popes and Dr. Mark Miravalle but then you dismiss theire opinions and form your own! And then delete my opinions.! but stand on your 'opinions' can you explain?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 14:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
HI.. under Problems you put "supposed saint". Saint Philomena is and has always been a Saint of the Catholic Church... I would request that the "supposed" be removed. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 19:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
CliffC Thanks for the kind reply...that is my point I feel the current way it is written suggests doubt to some readers.. I have been in touch with the Shrine in Italy as well as Dr Miraville and conclude that there is no doubt regarding Saint Philomena. Many past Popes and Saints of the Catholic Church have demonstrated devotion and recognition to this Saint. Also the article says..The removal of the name of Philomena even from local calendars was due to problems raised by scholars. From what I have been able to determine, it was only one 'scholar' and his 'opinion' has indeed been called into question....Can the 'supposed' be changed. AS well as a note added that Saint Philomena is still a Saint of the Church???? Thanks Merk1333 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.72.127 ( talk) 21:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks very much...I appreciate you explaination and kind help and comments...I do have one other point please..the article says, "The removal of the name of Philomena even from local calendars was due to problems raised by scholars". From the extensive research I have done, it appears that there was only one 'scholar' involved in raising questions and Dr Miraville in his paper has taken care of that scholars issues. There were a number of feast days removed from the calendar in the 1961 reorganization, not having a Saint on the Liturgical Calendar does not remove them from the communion of Saints. Saint Philomena is a great Saint, and that is not a personal opinion...since we have had several Popes and other Canonized Saints give her recognition, it really changes from opinion to factual. Thanks merk1333 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Merk1333 ( talk • contribs) 12:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! Appreciated! Merk1333 ( talk) 20:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
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There was confusion over The Church's list of Saints, what it is and where it is kept, etc. Apart from The Calender list and The Local Calender list and as list of Doctors of The Church, there is no written list! When a Saint is to be added a declaration of Canonization or a declaration is made. The Church will simply say that this person can be honoured as a Saint. It remains as an event in history.
The idea is that the real list is in Heaven.
I am aware that Saint Philomena was formally by Pope John XXIII, replaced on the list of Saints, but not on the General Calender.
This event is readily verafiable!
MacOfJesus ( talk) 12:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Neither is Saint Dismas and many more! The list here below will always be a dim reflection. MacOfJesus ( talk) 15:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
The list you speak of is not meant to be an exhaustive list, but rather an official list to work from. Saint Dismas is perhaps the best example, as no one doubts his credentials. Made so by Jesus Himself! The many Canonized Saints that Pope John Paul II made are not included either, such as Saint Faustina of Krackov. The reason being that the seasonal Liturgy could not be celebrated if the calendar is filled-up with too many Saints! A priority has to be made! MacOfJesus ( talk) 15:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
The point I am making is that Saint Philomena was formally replaced on the list of Saints by Pope John XXIII. There are approx. 11 Saint Bernards. The last was hacked to death in Japan! (This is not my opinion, the exact list can be found in Wikipedia. I too keep my opinions out of here.). MacOfJesus ( talk) 20:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
He in a formal ceremony, placed her on the list of Saints. That is; declared her a Saint to be honoured by all the faithful. This was within the week he formally removed her. This is not a mechanical list as a declaration. Evidenced, at the time, from news items from Rome. MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
"List of Saints" phrase is meant in its supplied sense not in its literal sense. It happened, by way of a public formal ceremony at the steps of Saint Peter's Square, (From memory). This is a declaration, rather than a "list". This confusion is the reason why many were annoyed on this site in the past. Now the article page reflects this confusion. The phrase: "List of Saints", is understood very differently within the Church as outside It. It is why many of us are reluctant to amend it, but now are amused at it! MacOfJesus ( talk) 21:47, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Would like to see more history info on the cult of St. Philomena over the centuries, and the impact of symbolism attached to her. (And I mean "cult" only in the RC sense!). OttawaAC ( talk) 02:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Please do not remove "Saint" from St. Philomena's title and do not use the term "formerly venerated". She is still venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church. If you read the article it is plain to see. She was removed from the calendar for purpose of public veneration. But her shrine still exists, her cult is still active, and I can assure you that there are Masses held in her honor at various times of the year (discovery of her relics, etc.) Elizium23 ( talk) 23:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand the purpose of tagging 'venerated' in the lede. St. Philomena is worthy of veneration by anyone in the Roman Catholic Church. Devotion at her shrine and by the Archconfraternity is documented in the lede and it would be redundant and limiting to clutter up the initial sentence with these qualifiers. Elizium23 ( talk) 12:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
There is a woman mentioned in the Tempus est Iocundum in "Codex Buranus, 179", with the same name. Given the age of things, is this the same woman ? 85.226.209.195 ( talk) 12:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
The dates in this article variously used dmy and mdy formats, doubtless owing to the conflicts that seem at times to have arisen over editing. Given that there was no guidance at the head of the text, and that the birth and death dates in the infobox were in mdy format, I chose to standardize in that format, except where another format was given in a quotation. By all means, switch it around if it is felt I acted in error - but at least the article now has some added consistency! Harfarhs ( talk) 16:11, 19 March 2017 (UTC)