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I've moved the "preppy" stuff here, since it really has no connection to Phillips Academy in particular, and someone who has more to say about it it may want to recylcle it for a "preppy" article.
I would add that I don't remember any fashion trends described in Catcher in the Rye... -- Someone else 07:04 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
Some people seem to be making a game out of vandalizing this page - I would guess Phillips Exeter Academy students among them, going by the vandalism. The page has therefore been protected, and will remain so until they give up and go away. (In other words, once it is finally unprotected again in a couple of weeks, I will immediately re-protect it for several more weeks at the first instance of vandalism, ad infinitum.)
If anyone has any real changes to make, please post them here, and I (or another admin) will add them to the protected article page for you. Thanks. Noel (talk) 16:11, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think that anyone making blanket claims to the 'outrageous arrogance' of PA students (or Exeter students for that matter) has no clue, I mean absolutely no clue, what they're talking about. Once you have attended, you can make claims of that sort. Yurtian 22:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps an admin could add Senator Lincoln Chafee (graduated 1971) to the list of notable alumni, and also correct the spelling of "Abbott Academy." It's actually Abbot Academy (see http://www.andover.edu/about_andover/overview.htm). Thanks. -- User: 67.101.40.119 07:32, 26 Dec 2004
Perhaps you could also clarify the following, with dates or some definition: "Phillips Academy (PA) is the oldest private high school in the United States." I mentnion it because right on the Wikipedia Schools Portal page Hopkins School is listed as "the oldest continuously operating secondary school in North America." (It was already 118 years old when PA was started). Maybe there is no problem, but it sounds like one of the two is wrong. 130.132.185.161 16:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
The grading scale is zero to six not one to six — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.73.170.13 ( talk) 00:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Since when is Phillips Exeter considered more academically rigorous? The presence of the Harkness system at Exeter has nothing to do with standards of the institution when comparing it with it's sister school in Andover. PA is at least Exeter's equal from an academic perspective, and the clause in the article indicating otherwise is simply the opinion of one person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.202.233.214 ( talk) 06:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Somone mentioned this on my talk: page:
Seems like a good idea to me. Anyone up for it? Noel (talk) 23:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I just took out two things: "Andover and Exeter have a long standing rivalry. This year Andover won" under Sports and "Dormitories: West Quad North" under Facilities. I felt they were irrelevant, but if you really think there's a case for them, i'm more than happy to hear it. The way i see it with regards to the first one...the rivalry's already mentioned earlier on, and who won this year is not that notable. Perhaps a new section on the rivalry with a history as well as recent results would be in order, but not one throwaway statement. And as for the second one, it was just two headings and no info under the facilities section. jfg284 you were saying? 12:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Are there still activity specific basics? They stopped them in the past couple years, i thought...was i wrong? jfg284 you were saying? 06:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd be interested in writing an Andover/Exeter sub-page, similar to the one on the English/Latin Rivalry, but I can't find the scores anywhere. Anyone who's still at school there have any way of finding a list of the final scores of each of the games? I've begun a rough draft here, and basically what's missing now is a long-term history with all 125 scores. jfg284 you were saying? 15:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The Exonian published a booklet with all the scores that I can get my hands on and submit when school starts again on January 5th. 67.49.164.23 21:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Some suggestions for the article, i'm trying to see who agrees with me.
What should be in said section? First things to come to mind are "Independent School League", "Prep School" (or "boarding school)", "yale" "Groton", "St. Pauls", "Deerfield", "Loomis Chafee" (etc etc etc, basically just other new england prep schools), "Preppy" (maybe)....any other suggestions? any opposition to what i've already listed? Those are just what I get off the top of my head, what do others think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfg284 ( talk • contribs) 18:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion, the information on the dorms is inadmissable, as most of it's unverified (outside of the stuff on Ahouse and stowe house.) Furthermore, not much of it is really notable...theyre dorms. Theyre all pretty much the same, all over the place. If theres a reason for it to be included (like ahouse and stowe house), then by all means include it. But you need to back it up with a source. Other than that, I'd say we should take the rest of them out.
Athletic facilities: I think this is a good idea, as long as the descriptions don't get too specific. By that, I mean that I'm not sure we'll need a seperate section on Borden, the New Gym, the fitness center, the pool...that could all fit under "Main Facility" or something.
-- jfg284 you were saying? 18:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I have a few I have taken with my point and shoot camera, but they are only of fall sports. 67.49.164.23 21:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I personally believe the list of sports is over-emphasized. I simply don't think a list of individual sports is nessesary. Perhaps it would be beneficial to create another page for this. -- 198.140.202.1 01:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I recently ran across this stub, probably written by a PA student. It qualified as a nn group under CSD A7, but I decided to merge it into this article instead, creating the new heading ==Notable student groups==. I'll leave it up to an editor that knows about the school and this group to decide whether the material is worth keeping. Canderson7 ( talk) 22:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
In the current article, the sentence "The Phillipian, the school's student-run newspaper, is the oldest secondary school newspaper in the US." appears. This claim is also made on the front page of every Phillipian published. However, Phillips Exeter Academy's newspaper, the Exonian, also makes a similar claim. A few years ago, the trustees of Phillips Exeter brought Andover to court over this issue. It was discovered that Andover did indeed have a newspaper before Exeter, but it was not called the Phillipian and it only ran for a year. After that one year of publication, there was no student newspaper for ten years until the Phillipian began. However, at the time the Phillipian began, the Exonian had already been publishing for some time. Therefore, while the Phillipian is the oldest non-continuous secondary school newspaper in the US, the Exonian is the oldest continuous secondary school newspaper in the US. Cceleung 19:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I think we might be able to incorporate something more about PA's former sister Abbot Academy. Currently the school is listed a grand total of once in the article. (Which is a link to the Abbot Academy article in wikipedia... which is redirected to this article again. (I would fix this but I can't figure out how to edit a redirect >.>)) 24.128.122.132 23:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I have downplayed the Olmsted reference. The only role his firm seems to have had in the campus layout was determining the placement of the campus's four "cottages" (Andover, Eaton, Pemberton and Draper) in the 1890s. They were subsequently moved anyway. The shaping of the current Andover campus, made possible through the largesse of Thomas Cochran in the 1920s and 1930s, was overseen by New York based architecht Charles Platt. The foregoing information all comes from "Youth From Every Quarter: A Bicentennial History of Phillips Academy Andover" by Frederick S. Allis (University Press of New England, 1978). Cbmccarthy 18:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I was tempted to delete the references to four Medal of Honor winners. Although their achievements are impressive, by singling out these alumni for reference in particular, does it give an impression that Andover is a military academy? If you want to give indicative alumni, instead list Samuel F.B. Morse, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Walker Evans, Jack Lemmon and Bart Giamatti.
Cbmccarthy 03:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we really need to prominently mention the Kamehameha Schools and Governor Dummer Academy by name on the face of the introduction section?
With all due respect to Hayford Peirce, Exeter class of 1960 (1961?), putting this information right into the text of the first paragraph seemed stylistically weak. Giving the name of another school with a larger endowment, or the name of another school that is older, detracts from the essential identifying characteristics suitable for an intro. In particular, the almost random insertion of a clause about the year of Governor Dummer's founding made the sentence, and the whole paragraph, very choppy. It started to be all over the place. I rewrote the paragraph to summarize essential information about Andover. The asides about GD and K schools are now in footnotes. Alternatively, they can go somewhere in the body of the article. They just shouldn't be here in the intro. Cbmccarthy 16:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
PS: I am not saying this information should be omitted. In fact, I was the person who added to Sam Phillips' biography the fact that he graduated from Governor Dummer, therefore drawing attention to greater age of that school. I also toned down the inaccurate claim that Andover's campus was "laid out by Frederick Law Olmsted". So I agree that the article, like all articles on Wikipedia, should be balanced. But any such information does not need to be in the introduction.
PPS: On the Exter page, I would suggest you move the Kamehameha Schools sentence into a footnote as well. Cbmccarthy 16:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This is clearly not encyclopedic, and doesn't belong here. There's no sourcing for it, and sounds like a juvenile addition with little value. I want to delete this section entirely, are there any objections? Scharferimage 05:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I've blocked the IP which was also adding this catboner stuff to other articles. Unfortunately since it's an IP I'm not allowed to slap more than a 24-h ban on it. 23skidoo 14:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, just because this is Wikipedia, a global site, doesn't mean that the article for Philip's Academy isn't about an Andover, Massachusetts school. You wouldn't ban information on X tradition at the Sydney Opera House, for example, just because it's only local to Sydney, Australia and not to all of Wikipedia, would you? Now, I'm not advocating the yelling of "catboner!" at PA students (it's rude and annoying), but in similar instances as this on Wikipedia, one must remember: this is an encyclopedia, not CNN. Local things matter too, if they're written in the article that is about the place in which they happened. I know Wikipedia may support a world view of subjects in its articles, but some things just cannot be made to be international; they're just local.
Preston47 16:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it seems pretty clear that this article is made up. I move that this page should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.98.231 ( talk) 04:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I hope that was sarcasm. {{Subst:Unsiged IP|24.147.165.129|23:33, 1 September 2009}}
Many campuses contain prominent museums, and I observe that Wikipedia usually devotes a separate article to these museums. Example: the Rose Art Museum on the campus of Brandeis University receives its own article. The Addison's collection is more than twice the size of the Rose's, while according to Wikipedia both collections are of national significance. This suggests to me that the Addison also deserves its own article. What are your thoughts, editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.17.178 ( talk) 14:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
There's a deletion review of all alumni categories for US high schools, including Category:Phillips Academy alumni. Occuli ( talk) 20:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The fact that the average SAT is not broken down and is quite close to a current year makes me wonder if it is acurate. Can someone site a source for this? -- 74.92.133.14 ( talk) 15:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The section on secret societies needs to be sourced or removed. Aditya α ß 15:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This piece contains this statement: "The Phillipian, the school's student-run newspaper, is one of the oldest secondary school newspapers in the US, first published in 1831." But according to An Old New England School: A History of Phillips Academy Andover, by Claude Moore Fuess, and published by Houghton-Mifflin Company (1917), The Phillipian did not begin publication until October 19, 1878, when it began publication as a four-page sheet printed at a Boston office. [1] MarmadukePercy ( talk) 22:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
The selection of schools listed in the article seem somewhat arbitrary, and not based on the source provided. So, from the school's website here, I pulled matriculation data from the past 5 years, put it into Excel, and sorted it by highest number of students sent. The top 20 are listed below. I edited the article to reflect the top 6 choices. The list is fairly Ivy-heavy, but this is the data.
I am not sure whether to include McGill University. It is at #42 on the list with 9 students, but is also the first International University. Others' opinions are welcome.
College/Univeristy | Number of Students sent over the past 5 years |
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Harvard University | 78 |
Yale University | 73 |
Stanford University | 62 |
Pennsylvania, University of | 54 |
Columbia University | 50 |
Princeton University | 44 |
Duke University | 41 |
Brown University | 40 |
Georgetown University | 40 |
Cornell University | 35 |
Johns Hopkins University | 35 |
Dartmouth College | 33 |
Southern California, University of | 30 |
Tufts University | 29 |
Amherst College | 28 |
New York University | 28 |
Boston University | 27 |
Chicago, University of | 26 |
Massachusetts Institute of Technology | 25 |
Washington University in St. Louis | 24 |
R0uge ( talk) 02:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
(some material copied from the user's talk page...)
It appears one user is edit warring by deleting an entire section, which was subsequently restored, then deleted again without posting a satisfactory explanation on the talk page. My sense is the deleted material is correct. I sense no reason to assume it is false or biased. It was added by many contributors over much time. A better approach might be to tag the section with "unreferenced" so that sources could be found.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 15:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
It's indisputable that the section lacks sources and violates one of our core policies. Even if the material was sourced, however, I still challenge whether it should even be included in this (or any other) article. There is a clear consensus that trivia isn't welcome in articles. Further, this particular section is original research in that the list says nothing about the topic of this article but is a poorly constructed synthesis of material. A well-written section describing the subject's impact on and role in popular culture would draw on sources that specifically discuss that topic; instead we have a hodgepodge list of things that various Wikipedia editors are independently asserting (without evidence) makes a connection between this institution and popular culture. ElKevbo ( talk) 16:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Any further discussion? It's been over a week and no additional sources have been provided nor have any sources been provided whatsoever that establish this institution has had a lasting impact on popular culture. ElKevbo ( talk) 01:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
IMO, this section has a lot of value, but there ought to be some more context as to why it has encyclopedic relevance. That context is that "Andover and Exeter" (or "Exeter and Andover") is a term with symbolic meaning. Most references to the schools in popular culture are simply indications that the names of these two schools are widely understood as a synonym for "elite New England prep schools" -- not always used admiringly. That statement is difficult to substantiate with sources, but I can offer a number of online nonfiction sources that at least illustrate what I am saying. Partial list: Time magazine, 1931, blogs on Slate.com, 2013, PBS Frontline interview referring to James Conant, Jonathan Kozol, 2005, Adam Gussow, 2009, Susan Sontag, 1988, Gore Vidal, Joe Lieberman, 2000.
Furthermore, there is a general attitude around Wikipedia that the publication of a work of fiction (whether a book, movie, or TV show) means that the contents of that work of fiction are verifiable, at least in principle. For TV and movies, it would be far better if we could cite a third party's published description of the dialogue, but that doesn't always exist -- and it's often possible to verify the dialogue from a pirated online clip (unciteable, but real). On that basis, almost everything in this section can be presumed to be sourced. -- Orlady ( talk) 21:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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This is blatant self-serving advertisement, clearly lacking the relevancy to be given the same space as the entire "student body" section (especially when The Phillipian, a much older a more important organization, is not devoted a section). Seems like a blatant personal add with little to no benefit for the article and certainly no bearing on the history of a 200 year old school – if we start to list every student's projects and accomplishments this page would be filled with junk. Hickenlooper ( talk) 20:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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This section seems way too specific and detailed. The institute is only three years old and gets more space in the article than venerable, centuries-old institutions at Phillips. I propose reducing it to one sentence, tops. -- Melchior2006 ( talk) 20:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Alex Shieh, the 18-year-old chief pollster and co-founder of the Phillips Academy Poll..This was written about a year ago. KangarooGymnast ( talk) 04:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Should Phillips Academy Poll have its own section? Additionally, should the names of the founders of the poll be included in the article? Relevant references: WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#OS, WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#WNTI. GuyHimGuy ( talk) 01:05, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
I suggest that we keep this chart, but reduce the number of years given. We don't need annual tracking. Every five years is fine. -- Melchior2006 ( talk) 19:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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I've moved the "preppy" stuff here, since it really has no connection to Phillips Academy in particular, and someone who has more to say about it it may want to recylcle it for a "preppy" article.
I would add that I don't remember any fashion trends described in Catcher in the Rye... -- Someone else 07:04 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
Some people seem to be making a game out of vandalizing this page - I would guess Phillips Exeter Academy students among them, going by the vandalism. The page has therefore been protected, and will remain so until they give up and go away. (In other words, once it is finally unprotected again in a couple of weeks, I will immediately re-protect it for several more weeks at the first instance of vandalism, ad infinitum.)
If anyone has any real changes to make, please post them here, and I (or another admin) will add them to the protected article page for you. Thanks. Noel (talk) 16:11, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think that anyone making blanket claims to the 'outrageous arrogance' of PA students (or Exeter students for that matter) has no clue, I mean absolutely no clue, what they're talking about. Once you have attended, you can make claims of that sort. Yurtian 22:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps an admin could add Senator Lincoln Chafee (graduated 1971) to the list of notable alumni, and also correct the spelling of "Abbott Academy." It's actually Abbot Academy (see http://www.andover.edu/about_andover/overview.htm). Thanks. -- User: 67.101.40.119 07:32, 26 Dec 2004
Perhaps you could also clarify the following, with dates or some definition: "Phillips Academy (PA) is the oldest private high school in the United States." I mentnion it because right on the Wikipedia Schools Portal page Hopkins School is listed as "the oldest continuously operating secondary school in North America." (It was already 118 years old when PA was started). Maybe there is no problem, but it sounds like one of the two is wrong. 130.132.185.161 16:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
The grading scale is zero to six not one to six — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.73.170.13 ( talk) 00:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Since when is Phillips Exeter considered more academically rigorous? The presence of the Harkness system at Exeter has nothing to do with standards of the institution when comparing it with it's sister school in Andover. PA is at least Exeter's equal from an academic perspective, and the clause in the article indicating otherwise is simply the opinion of one person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.202.233.214 ( talk) 06:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Somone mentioned this on my talk: page:
Seems like a good idea to me. Anyone up for it? Noel (talk) 23:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
I just took out two things: "Andover and Exeter have a long standing rivalry. This year Andover won" under Sports and "Dormitories: West Quad North" under Facilities. I felt they were irrelevant, but if you really think there's a case for them, i'm more than happy to hear it. The way i see it with regards to the first one...the rivalry's already mentioned earlier on, and who won this year is not that notable. Perhaps a new section on the rivalry with a history as well as recent results would be in order, but not one throwaway statement. And as for the second one, it was just two headings and no info under the facilities section. jfg284 you were saying? 12:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Are there still activity specific basics? They stopped them in the past couple years, i thought...was i wrong? jfg284 you were saying? 06:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd be interested in writing an Andover/Exeter sub-page, similar to the one on the English/Latin Rivalry, but I can't find the scores anywhere. Anyone who's still at school there have any way of finding a list of the final scores of each of the games? I've begun a rough draft here, and basically what's missing now is a long-term history with all 125 scores. jfg284 you were saying? 15:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The Exonian published a booklet with all the scores that I can get my hands on and submit when school starts again on January 5th. 67.49.164.23 21:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Some suggestions for the article, i'm trying to see who agrees with me.
What should be in said section? First things to come to mind are "Independent School League", "Prep School" (or "boarding school)", "yale" "Groton", "St. Pauls", "Deerfield", "Loomis Chafee" (etc etc etc, basically just other new england prep schools), "Preppy" (maybe)....any other suggestions? any opposition to what i've already listed? Those are just what I get off the top of my head, what do others think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfg284 ( talk • contribs) 18:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion, the information on the dorms is inadmissable, as most of it's unverified (outside of the stuff on Ahouse and stowe house.) Furthermore, not much of it is really notable...theyre dorms. Theyre all pretty much the same, all over the place. If theres a reason for it to be included (like ahouse and stowe house), then by all means include it. But you need to back it up with a source. Other than that, I'd say we should take the rest of them out.
Athletic facilities: I think this is a good idea, as long as the descriptions don't get too specific. By that, I mean that I'm not sure we'll need a seperate section on Borden, the New Gym, the fitness center, the pool...that could all fit under "Main Facility" or something.
-- jfg284 you were saying? 18:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I have a few I have taken with my point and shoot camera, but they are only of fall sports. 67.49.164.23 21:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I personally believe the list of sports is over-emphasized. I simply don't think a list of individual sports is nessesary. Perhaps it would be beneficial to create another page for this. -- 198.140.202.1 01:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I recently ran across this stub, probably written by a PA student. It qualified as a nn group under CSD A7, but I decided to merge it into this article instead, creating the new heading ==Notable student groups==. I'll leave it up to an editor that knows about the school and this group to decide whether the material is worth keeping. Canderson7 ( talk) 22:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
In the current article, the sentence "The Phillipian, the school's student-run newspaper, is the oldest secondary school newspaper in the US." appears. This claim is also made on the front page of every Phillipian published. However, Phillips Exeter Academy's newspaper, the Exonian, also makes a similar claim. A few years ago, the trustees of Phillips Exeter brought Andover to court over this issue. It was discovered that Andover did indeed have a newspaper before Exeter, but it was not called the Phillipian and it only ran for a year. After that one year of publication, there was no student newspaper for ten years until the Phillipian began. However, at the time the Phillipian began, the Exonian had already been publishing for some time. Therefore, while the Phillipian is the oldest non-continuous secondary school newspaper in the US, the Exonian is the oldest continuous secondary school newspaper in the US. Cceleung 19:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I think we might be able to incorporate something more about PA's former sister Abbot Academy. Currently the school is listed a grand total of once in the article. (Which is a link to the Abbot Academy article in wikipedia... which is redirected to this article again. (I would fix this but I can't figure out how to edit a redirect >.>)) 24.128.122.132 23:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I have downplayed the Olmsted reference. The only role his firm seems to have had in the campus layout was determining the placement of the campus's four "cottages" (Andover, Eaton, Pemberton and Draper) in the 1890s. They were subsequently moved anyway. The shaping of the current Andover campus, made possible through the largesse of Thomas Cochran in the 1920s and 1930s, was overseen by New York based architecht Charles Platt. The foregoing information all comes from "Youth From Every Quarter: A Bicentennial History of Phillips Academy Andover" by Frederick S. Allis (University Press of New England, 1978). Cbmccarthy 18:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I was tempted to delete the references to four Medal of Honor winners. Although their achievements are impressive, by singling out these alumni for reference in particular, does it give an impression that Andover is a military academy? If you want to give indicative alumni, instead list Samuel F.B. Morse, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Walker Evans, Jack Lemmon and Bart Giamatti.
Cbmccarthy 03:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we really need to prominently mention the Kamehameha Schools and Governor Dummer Academy by name on the face of the introduction section?
With all due respect to Hayford Peirce, Exeter class of 1960 (1961?), putting this information right into the text of the first paragraph seemed stylistically weak. Giving the name of another school with a larger endowment, or the name of another school that is older, detracts from the essential identifying characteristics suitable for an intro. In particular, the almost random insertion of a clause about the year of Governor Dummer's founding made the sentence, and the whole paragraph, very choppy. It started to be all over the place. I rewrote the paragraph to summarize essential information about Andover. The asides about GD and K schools are now in footnotes. Alternatively, they can go somewhere in the body of the article. They just shouldn't be here in the intro. Cbmccarthy 16:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
PS: I am not saying this information should be omitted. In fact, I was the person who added to Sam Phillips' biography the fact that he graduated from Governor Dummer, therefore drawing attention to greater age of that school. I also toned down the inaccurate claim that Andover's campus was "laid out by Frederick Law Olmsted". So I agree that the article, like all articles on Wikipedia, should be balanced. But any such information does not need to be in the introduction.
PPS: On the Exter page, I would suggest you move the Kamehameha Schools sentence into a footnote as well. Cbmccarthy 16:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This is clearly not encyclopedic, and doesn't belong here. There's no sourcing for it, and sounds like a juvenile addition with little value. I want to delete this section entirely, are there any objections? Scharferimage 05:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I've blocked the IP which was also adding this catboner stuff to other articles. Unfortunately since it's an IP I'm not allowed to slap more than a 24-h ban on it. 23skidoo 14:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, just because this is Wikipedia, a global site, doesn't mean that the article for Philip's Academy isn't about an Andover, Massachusetts school. You wouldn't ban information on X tradition at the Sydney Opera House, for example, just because it's only local to Sydney, Australia and not to all of Wikipedia, would you? Now, I'm not advocating the yelling of "catboner!" at PA students (it's rude and annoying), but in similar instances as this on Wikipedia, one must remember: this is an encyclopedia, not CNN. Local things matter too, if they're written in the article that is about the place in which they happened. I know Wikipedia may support a world view of subjects in its articles, but some things just cannot be made to be international; they're just local.
Preston47 16:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it seems pretty clear that this article is made up. I move that this page should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.98.231 ( talk) 04:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I hope that was sarcasm. {{Subst:Unsiged IP|24.147.165.129|23:33, 1 September 2009}}
Many campuses contain prominent museums, and I observe that Wikipedia usually devotes a separate article to these museums. Example: the Rose Art Museum on the campus of Brandeis University receives its own article. The Addison's collection is more than twice the size of the Rose's, while according to Wikipedia both collections are of national significance. This suggests to me that the Addison also deserves its own article. What are your thoughts, editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.17.178 ( talk) 14:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
There's a deletion review of all alumni categories for US high schools, including Category:Phillips Academy alumni. Occuli ( talk) 20:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The fact that the average SAT is not broken down and is quite close to a current year makes me wonder if it is acurate. Can someone site a source for this? -- 74.92.133.14 ( talk) 15:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The section on secret societies needs to be sourced or removed. Aditya α ß 15:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This piece contains this statement: "The Phillipian, the school's student-run newspaper, is one of the oldest secondary school newspapers in the US, first published in 1831." But according to An Old New England School: A History of Phillips Academy Andover, by Claude Moore Fuess, and published by Houghton-Mifflin Company (1917), The Phillipian did not begin publication until October 19, 1878, when it began publication as a four-page sheet printed at a Boston office. [1] MarmadukePercy ( talk) 22:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
The selection of schools listed in the article seem somewhat arbitrary, and not based on the source provided. So, from the school's website here, I pulled matriculation data from the past 5 years, put it into Excel, and sorted it by highest number of students sent. The top 20 are listed below. I edited the article to reflect the top 6 choices. The list is fairly Ivy-heavy, but this is the data.
I am not sure whether to include McGill University. It is at #42 on the list with 9 students, but is also the first International University. Others' opinions are welcome.
College/Univeristy | Number of Students sent over the past 5 years |
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Harvard University | 78 |
Yale University | 73 |
Stanford University | 62 |
Pennsylvania, University of | 54 |
Columbia University | 50 |
Princeton University | 44 |
Duke University | 41 |
Brown University | 40 |
Georgetown University | 40 |
Cornell University | 35 |
Johns Hopkins University | 35 |
Dartmouth College | 33 |
Southern California, University of | 30 |
Tufts University | 29 |
Amherst College | 28 |
New York University | 28 |
Boston University | 27 |
Chicago, University of | 26 |
Massachusetts Institute of Technology | 25 |
Washington University in St. Louis | 24 |
R0uge ( talk) 02:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
(some material copied from the user's talk page...)
It appears one user is edit warring by deleting an entire section, which was subsequently restored, then deleted again without posting a satisfactory explanation on the talk page. My sense is the deleted material is correct. I sense no reason to assume it is false or biased. It was added by many contributors over much time. A better approach might be to tag the section with "unreferenced" so that sources could be found.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 15:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
It's indisputable that the section lacks sources and violates one of our core policies. Even if the material was sourced, however, I still challenge whether it should even be included in this (or any other) article. There is a clear consensus that trivia isn't welcome in articles. Further, this particular section is original research in that the list says nothing about the topic of this article but is a poorly constructed synthesis of material. A well-written section describing the subject's impact on and role in popular culture would draw on sources that specifically discuss that topic; instead we have a hodgepodge list of things that various Wikipedia editors are independently asserting (without evidence) makes a connection between this institution and popular culture. ElKevbo ( talk) 16:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Any further discussion? It's been over a week and no additional sources have been provided nor have any sources been provided whatsoever that establish this institution has had a lasting impact on popular culture. ElKevbo ( talk) 01:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
IMO, this section has a lot of value, but there ought to be some more context as to why it has encyclopedic relevance. That context is that "Andover and Exeter" (or "Exeter and Andover") is a term with symbolic meaning. Most references to the schools in popular culture are simply indications that the names of these two schools are widely understood as a synonym for "elite New England prep schools" -- not always used admiringly. That statement is difficult to substantiate with sources, but I can offer a number of online nonfiction sources that at least illustrate what I am saying. Partial list: Time magazine, 1931, blogs on Slate.com, 2013, PBS Frontline interview referring to James Conant, Jonathan Kozol, 2005, Adam Gussow, 2009, Susan Sontag, 1988, Gore Vidal, Joe Lieberman, 2000.
Furthermore, there is a general attitude around Wikipedia that the publication of a work of fiction (whether a book, movie, or TV show) means that the contents of that work of fiction are verifiable, at least in principle. For TV and movies, it would be far better if we could cite a third party's published description of the dialogue, but that doesn't always exist -- and it's often possible to verify the dialogue from a pirated online clip (unciteable, but real). On that basis, almost everything in this section can be presumed to be sourced. -- Orlady ( talk) 21:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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Just wondering if users here might weigh in on whether he's a proponent of things like social justice and diversity (as many references attest) since my contributions there keep getting reverted.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
This is blatant self-serving advertisement, clearly lacking the relevancy to be given the same space as the entire "student body" section (especially when The Phillipian, a much older a more important organization, is not devoted a section). Seems like a blatant personal add with little to no benefit for the article and certainly no bearing on the history of a 200 year old school – if we start to list every student's projects and accomplishments this page would be filled with junk. Hickenlooper ( talk) 20:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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The Alex Shieh Center, the heart of Phillips Academy's progressive politics, is an integral part of the school and deserves its own section on the page. 198.140.203.135 ( talk) 05:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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This section seems way too specific and detailed. The institute is only three years old and gets more space in the article than venerable, centuries-old institutions at Phillips. I propose reducing it to one sentence, tops. -- Melchior2006 ( talk) 20:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Alex Shieh, the 18-year-old chief pollster and co-founder of the Phillips Academy Poll..This was written about a year ago. KangarooGymnast ( talk) 04:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Should Phillips Academy Poll have its own section? Additionally, should the names of the founders of the poll be included in the article? Relevant references: WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#OS, WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#WNTI. GuyHimGuy ( talk) 01:05, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
I suggest that we keep this chart, but reduce the number of years given. We don't need annual tracking. Every five years is fine. -- Melchior2006 ( talk) 19:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)