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Opening up this section to discuss the tag proposed by OjuzKiopo on the lead of the article. Godzilladude123 ( talk) 00:58, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
It's dubious....yessir. The president Ronaldo Duderte which is shown at left at the very start of the article...said it...he admitted half-wordly even before being elected.
Let me quote the article itself.
"In a campaign speech on April 27 to business leaders, he said his presidency would be "a bloody one", but that he would issue "a thousand pardons a day" to police and soldiers accused of human rights abuses, and would also issue a presidential pardon to himself for mass murder at the end of his six-year term."
He is the head of state (which is a figurehead for that matter in many places). His speeches are more or less public and diffused to the whole country etc...so he is a figurehead but also a spokeman.
About drugs he said about drugs "Do not do it in my country because I will really kill you. That is a commitment."
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte%27s_Fifth_State_of_the_Nation_Address Here is speech
He also said: "Hitler massacred three million Jews... there's three million drug addicts. I'd be happy to slaughter them,"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37515642
He also admitted involvement in Davao Death squads.
Then to quote Benigno Aquino III "Killing a person is against the law. The President has been firm in the belief that no one is above the law. We must not resort to extralegal methods."
www.manilatimes.net/palace-cbcp-rights-activists-gang-up-on-davao-mayor/73307/
Is it that much neglected by authorities? Maybe Debold Sinas may've denied extra-judicial killings, maybe he said he would prosecute them, but answers to those claims vary. -- OjuzKiopo ( talk) 19:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
No. The Phillipines' authorities do not deny it. They do not. The more they do is passively not refering to those. I have not found them...it's just contradicting the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OjuzKiopo ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Should keep an eye on sources if the "drug war" officially ends. So far most sources are suggest Marcos would be "continuing" it. On the other hand it seems that there is a policy shift to a campaign that is not different to illegal drug policy of Duterte's predecessors. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 09:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Unfortunately, this discussion has stalled despite 3 relists, multiple discussion advertisements elsewhere, and several proposed names. No consensus on any of the proposals has emerged. Indeed, several users have proposed creating other articles in lieu of renaming this one, which further complicates the issue. I would suggest this be revisited in a few months (say, around December/January?) to see if enough has changed to justify a rename. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 13:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Philippine drug war → ? – "Philippine drug war" is not the WP:COMMONNAME. Sources either describes this campaign as a "war on drugs" or a "drug war" (without the adjective "Philippine", and if they do add a modifier it is "Philippines' "drug war"). Its also occasionally called as "Duterte's Drug War".
Also there is uncertainty on how current President Bongbong Marcos would approach this campaign so its difficult to determine the end of the "Philippine drug war" since the country has always been launching campaigns against illegal drugs even before Duterte. Though admittedly minus the notoriety of Oplan Tokhang. Marcos is unlikely to explicitly state to end the drug war and announced a policy shift (PNA)
I suggest renaming this article to (but not limited to):
Also I emphasize that there is no need for this article name to be consistent with the Bangladesh drug war and the Mexican drug war.09:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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Opening up this section to discuss the tag proposed by OjuzKiopo on the lead of the article. Godzilladude123 ( talk) 00:58, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
It's dubious....yessir. The president Ronaldo Duderte which is shown at left at the very start of the article...said it...he admitted half-wordly even before being elected.
Let me quote the article itself.
"In a campaign speech on April 27 to business leaders, he said his presidency would be "a bloody one", but that he would issue "a thousand pardons a day" to police and soldiers accused of human rights abuses, and would also issue a presidential pardon to himself for mass murder at the end of his six-year term."
He is the head of state (which is a figurehead for that matter in many places). His speeches are more or less public and diffused to the whole country etc...so he is a figurehead but also a spokeman.
About drugs he said about drugs "Do not do it in my country because I will really kill you. That is a commitment."
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte%27s_Fifth_State_of_the_Nation_Address Here is speech
He also said: "Hitler massacred three million Jews... there's three million drug addicts. I'd be happy to slaughter them,"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37515642
He also admitted involvement in Davao Death squads.
Then to quote Benigno Aquino III "Killing a person is against the law. The President has been firm in the belief that no one is above the law. We must not resort to extralegal methods."
www.manilatimes.net/palace-cbcp-rights-activists-gang-up-on-davao-mayor/73307/
Is it that much neglected by authorities? Maybe Debold Sinas may've denied extra-judicial killings, maybe he said he would prosecute them, but answers to those claims vary. -- OjuzKiopo ( talk) 19:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
No. The Phillipines' authorities do not deny it. They do not. The more they do is passively not refering to those. I have not found them...it's just contradicting the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OjuzKiopo ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Should keep an eye on sources if the "drug war" officially ends. So far most sources are suggest Marcos would be "continuing" it. On the other hand it seems that there is a policy shift to a campaign that is not different to illegal drug policy of Duterte's predecessors. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 09:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Unfortunately, this discussion has stalled despite 3 relists, multiple discussion advertisements elsewhere, and several proposed names. No consensus on any of the proposals has emerged. Indeed, several users have proposed creating other articles in lieu of renaming this one, which further complicates the issue. I would suggest this be revisited in a few months (say, around December/January?) to see if enough has changed to justify a rename. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 13:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Philippine drug war → ? – "Philippine drug war" is not the WP:COMMONNAME. Sources either describes this campaign as a "war on drugs" or a "drug war" (without the adjective "Philippine", and if they do add a modifier it is "Philippines' "drug war"). Its also occasionally called as "Duterte's Drug War".
Also there is uncertainty on how current President Bongbong Marcos would approach this campaign so its difficult to determine the end of the "Philippine drug war" since the country has always been launching campaigns against illegal drugs even before Duterte. Though admittedly minus the notoriety of Oplan Tokhang. Marcos is unlikely to explicitly state to end the drug war and announced a policy shift (PNA)
I suggest renaming this article to (but not limited to):
Also I emphasize that there is no need for this article name to be consistent with the Bangladesh drug war and the Mexican drug war.09:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)