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Material for possible addition to article: Wasn't there an episode of Six Feet Under that contained a "death opening" that closely patterened Brann's story? Did the writers know about it? I'll check when I get the chance... Ellsworth ( talk) 01:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Does this page need a Conspiracy theories template? Breawycker ( talk) 22:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
The claim that he left a voice message that said "I’m going to kill myself. And I want everyone to know O.J. Simpson is innocent. They did it" is a myth. In my research for the Skeptic Magazine article covering the disappearance before his remains were located by a hiker, the contents of all voice messages made by Kramer at the time were part of the official investigation files and that comment was never in among the transcripts.
What were among the transcripts were numerous comments about having to hide behind the walls and other comments attributed to his sleep deprivation which eventually killed him when he drove his van off a cliff. He and his father literally believed they had discovered a way to transport matter across a distance just like the Star Trek transporter -- Kramer's own words.
The belief was part of the onset of dementia caused by sleep deprivation which fed on itself in a cycle. The more he suffered from the lack of sleep, the more he had become convinced he had made a breakthrough discovery, the less he was capable of sleeping.
The quote about killing himself is not accurate. He informed his family that he was going to endeavor to appear to have killed himself so that "them" that he believed was going to come after he and his father to "silence" his discovery would refrain from doing so but also, according to the transcripts, refrain from harming his family. He never stated outright that he was going to kill himself.
The O. J. Simpson part never happened and there is nothing remotely in accord to the Simpson trial in any of the transcripts from his voice messages, nothing about Simpson being discussed with his family either.
I spoke with the daughter who had at the time been traveling around the United States looking for Kramer after his disappearance, going to places where people were claiming to have seen him. From the brief telephone discussion she indicated that Kramer's onset of sleep-deprived-induced dementia was sudden and unexpected, his behavior a day or two prior to his airport pick-up effort was highly divergent from his normal behavior.
Point being, the quotes attributed are wrong. Damotclese ( talk) 02:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The cause of death was accidental, fell asleep behind the wheel, he did not kill himself, his van was found by a hiker at the base of a canyon. Please do not put suicide as the probable or supposed cause, that is NOT supported by the documents. As the Los Angeles Times put it he was "sleep sky" due to mounting paranoia verging upon delusion resulting in a series of phone calls which Kramer believed were being monitored by "Them." SoftwareThing ( talk) 00:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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Material for possible addition to article: Wasn't there an episode of Six Feet Under that contained a "death opening" that closely patterened Brann's story? Did the writers know about it? I'll check when I get the chance... Ellsworth ( talk) 01:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Does this page need a Conspiracy theories template? Breawycker ( talk) 22:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
The claim that he left a voice message that said "I’m going to kill myself. And I want everyone to know O.J. Simpson is innocent. They did it" is a myth. In my research for the Skeptic Magazine article covering the disappearance before his remains were located by a hiker, the contents of all voice messages made by Kramer at the time were part of the official investigation files and that comment was never in among the transcripts.
What were among the transcripts were numerous comments about having to hide behind the walls and other comments attributed to his sleep deprivation which eventually killed him when he drove his van off a cliff. He and his father literally believed they had discovered a way to transport matter across a distance just like the Star Trek transporter -- Kramer's own words.
The belief was part of the onset of dementia caused by sleep deprivation which fed on itself in a cycle. The more he suffered from the lack of sleep, the more he had become convinced he had made a breakthrough discovery, the less he was capable of sleeping.
The quote about killing himself is not accurate. He informed his family that he was going to endeavor to appear to have killed himself so that "them" that he believed was going to come after he and his father to "silence" his discovery would refrain from doing so but also, according to the transcripts, refrain from harming his family. He never stated outright that he was going to kill himself.
The O. J. Simpson part never happened and there is nothing remotely in accord to the Simpson trial in any of the transcripts from his voice messages, nothing about Simpson being discussed with his family either.
I spoke with the daughter who had at the time been traveling around the United States looking for Kramer after his disappearance, going to places where people were claiming to have seen him. From the brief telephone discussion she indicated that Kramer's onset of sleep-deprived-induced dementia was sudden and unexpected, his behavior a day or two prior to his airport pick-up effort was highly divergent from his normal behavior.
Point being, the quotes attributed are wrong. Damotclese ( talk) 02:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The cause of death was accidental, fell asleep behind the wheel, he did not kill himself, his van was found by a hiker at the base of a canyon. Please do not put suicide as the probable or supposed cause, that is NOT supported by the documents. As the Los Angeles Times put it he was "sleep sky" due to mounting paranoia verging upon delusion resulting in a series of phone calls which Kramer believed were being monitored by "Them." SoftwareThing ( talk) 00:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)