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I know Wikipedia prides itself on having some standards about "Notability" (I laughed when I read a newspaper report about an incensed amateur band being pulled.) But why strive to excise interesting tidbits about well established topics? Personally I have added "Ten Percent of Life" by Hiber Conteris to the "novels by other writers" section which has been removed for lack of "Notability" and yet another novel also of foreign origin in which Marlowe is evidently a SECONDARY character is allowed to stay. (With an untranslated title) Marlowe is the MAIN character in "Ten Percent" Furthermore, "Orange Curtain" was also allowed to stay which features a character whom Chandler "used as the basis for Marlowe" Both seem less notable to me. My mention of the "Goldfish" radio adaptation was also removed. And the article does not mention the "Red Wind" adaptation featuring Danny Glover on Showtime's "Fallen Angels" I would think wikipedia would value comprehensiveness.....
For another instance of presumed non-notability resulting in an over-correction, why on January 16, 2011, was a short addition regarding a young Italian writer using "Philip Marlowe" as his "nom de plume" deleted right away??? It was just one more piece of information, and a better-informed contributor might well have added some useful references and details! Moreover, the French and Italian versions of this Wikipedia entry feature that same piece of information...
The caption to the photo lists Gerald Mohr as Philip Marlowe, yet under the Gerald Mohr wiki article it describes the same photo as being from Undercover Girl, a movie which has nothing to do with Phillip Marlowe.
No knock against Gerald Mohr, or Bogart, but Marlowe was probably a bit more handsome than either. Picture should be changed, and when I become technically proficient enough, I'll do so, if no one else does first. Guernseykid 20:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Since figure in illustration is looking to the right, the image is placed on left because of a basic layout and design principle. I've previously raised this point after people move left-side images to the right but never get a response. Pepso 20:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It never seems to mention whether Marlowe has any friends or partners throughout the novels. Is this not considered important? It seems to be. FiendishThingie 17:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Even stranger, the article wholly omits the trajectory of his love life, from early flirtations to eventual marriage. Are these not an important part of anybody’s biography? While Marlowe is highly alive to feminine allure and is often placed in situations of sexual temptation, where he could either take advantage of or succumb to a woman, normally his integrity allows no more than a kiss. --Hors-la-loi 15:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Bernie Ohls, investigator, certainly qualifies as a friend who appears in more than one short story and novel. (Examples, The Big Sleep, The Long Goodbye.) Anne Riordan, a lady friend, appears in the novel Farewell My Lovely, and in the short story, the Pencil. L. Thomas W. ( talk) 14:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of what I understand is Chandler's first short story, "Blackmailers Don't Shoot." Admittedly, it's written in third person, and this may have something to do with why, unlike other shorts reffed in the article, reprints in Marlowe collections (I first read it in an omnibus, The Midnight Raymond Chandler, but I think it was also in the mass-market paperback Trouble is My Business) don't change the private eye's name from Mallory. But it is generally considered an early Marlowe story as much as the others, and as I said it has been included in Marlowe collections. Ted Watson ( talk) 21:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I know Marlowe often used a Luger and a Model 1911 in .38 Super. I also know he carried a revolver of some sort. But the .32 Colt Pocket Hammerless? I know villains and/or femme fatales might have used them, but Marlowe? Is there a line in one of Chandler's stories that supports that choice of armament? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer1968 ( talk • contribs) 17:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
The scene takes place in Marlowe's office and the drawer he jerks open is the drawer to his desk. It is his gun. He uses it to threaten the two thugs and hits one of them with it although he doesn't fire it. I agree though, he almost never fires his gun in the novels. The only one I remember is in The Big Sleep. But the stories were a little more violent. I recall one of them where Marlowe and DA Investigator Ohls (who he also worked with in The Big Sleep) get involved in a gun fight with some crooks who are trying to kill a witness. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 04:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)“You don’t have a comic book around, do you?” Toad asked. “Keeps him quiet.” “Sit down,” I said. “I’ll look.” He reached for the chair arms. I jerked a drawer open and got my hand around the butt of a Luger. I brought it up slowly, looking at Alfred. Alfred didn’t even look at me. He was studying the corner of the ceiling and trying to keep his mouth out of his eye. “This is as comic as I get,” I said.
I just checked the Introduction to the Anthology Killer in the Rain by Philip Durham. According to Durham I was wrong and it is correct that the name Marlowe was first used in The Big Sleep and before that either the detective had no name (similar to Hammett's Continental Op) or had names other than Marlowe such as Carmady or Dalmas. But virtually all of Chandler's short stories are in the first person. If you look at the anthology Trouble is My Business, every story is in the first person. The same for the anthology Killer in the Rain. Given that I'm leaving the article as it is, although I think The Pencil really belongs in the list of short stories but that's a really minor point and I can see why whoever wrote this wrote it that way so I'm just going to leave it. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 18:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
The following statement on the article under this category contains an error:
In the Count Duckula episode Private Beak, Duckula adopts the pseudonym of Philip Mallard, as a spoof of Marlowe. The name 'Mallard' may refer to Kent Mallard, one of the possible secret identities the Shadow, another pulp fiction crimefighter.
The part about one of the Shadow's possible secret identities being Kent Mallard is incorrect. The name was not Kent Mallard, but Kent Allard (no M). 72.79.1.58 ( talk) 01:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Philip Marlowe is not in any of the short stories in this collection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.170.199 ( talk) 02:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Chandler took the surname name from the Elizabethan playwright and possible spy; Christopher Marlowe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.254.24 ( talk) 14:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I see ABC have announced they're got a new Philip Marlowe series from the creator of Castle in development; Article here. Number36 ( talk) 23:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
I can understand using Bogart as the pic for Marlowe, he was certainly the most famous and his performance in The Big Sleep was IMO just perfect. But he didn't look anything like Marlowe as described by Chandler and Bogart was not someone that Chandler thought a good likeness of Marlowe. The main difference was Marlowe was a big tall guy. In The Big Sleep they even had to change one of the lines of the novel, in the novel the younger daughter says something like "my you're tall" where as in the movie she says "not very tall are you". Not a big deal but as long as we are using a cartoon image anyway I think if someone could get a picture of Marlowe as used in the paperback illustrations of the original books, the big square jawed Marlowe, that was how Chandler described him. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 15:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Although there is a source for the article's claim that Chandler was in Marlowe House at Dulwich, he wasn't, because Marlowe was one of six day houses created at the school in 1919, all named after famous contemporaries of the school's founder Edward Alleyn. Chandler had left the school nearly 15 years earlier. I take it the school's own website is sufficient authority. https://www.dulwich.org.uk/senior-school/co-curricular/day-houses/a-short-history But, of course, as an Old Alleynian, Chandler might have heard about Marlowe House by 1939 when he wrote The Big Sleep. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 20:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Does this piano concerto (made in 2011) count as a notable example to be mentioned in the References in Other Work section, if yes how should it be written?
(Sorry if the question is dumb) RandomEditorAAA ( talk) 02:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure what "just short of the classic six foot, two" refers to. Should probably take that out since it is just confusing. In Farewell, My Lovely, Marlowe is described as having dark hair and a medium heavy build, so I am adding those details. -- Tropic Wolf ( talk) 05:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
"That he has sex with female characters is explicit or implied in each of the novels." This is simply not true. Did anyone actually read these books? Maybe all my books were censored. I DON'T THINK SO. i just read the first three novels, and he does not have sex with any characters in them. It could be he had sex in later novels (maybe I will have more "proof" after I slug my way thru the rest, but the quote says "in EACH of the novels." Again, this is not true!
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I know Wikipedia prides itself on having some standards about "Notability" (I laughed when I read a newspaper report about an incensed amateur band being pulled.) But why strive to excise interesting tidbits about well established topics? Personally I have added "Ten Percent of Life" by Hiber Conteris to the "novels by other writers" section which has been removed for lack of "Notability" and yet another novel also of foreign origin in which Marlowe is evidently a SECONDARY character is allowed to stay. (With an untranslated title) Marlowe is the MAIN character in "Ten Percent" Furthermore, "Orange Curtain" was also allowed to stay which features a character whom Chandler "used as the basis for Marlowe" Both seem less notable to me. My mention of the "Goldfish" radio adaptation was also removed. And the article does not mention the "Red Wind" adaptation featuring Danny Glover on Showtime's "Fallen Angels" I would think wikipedia would value comprehensiveness.....
For another instance of presumed non-notability resulting in an over-correction, why on January 16, 2011, was a short addition regarding a young Italian writer using "Philip Marlowe" as his "nom de plume" deleted right away??? It was just one more piece of information, and a better-informed contributor might well have added some useful references and details! Moreover, the French and Italian versions of this Wikipedia entry feature that same piece of information...
The caption to the photo lists Gerald Mohr as Philip Marlowe, yet under the Gerald Mohr wiki article it describes the same photo as being from Undercover Girl, a movie which has nothing to do with Phillip Marlowe.
No knock against Gerald Mohr, or Bogart, but Marlowe was probably a bit more handsome than either. Picture should be changed, and when I become technically proficient enough, I'll do so, if no one else does first. Guernseykid 20:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Since figure in illustration is looking to the right, the image is placed on left because of a basic layout and design principle. I've previously raised this point after people move left-side images to the right but never get a response. Pepso 20:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It never seems to mention whether Marlowe has any friends or partners throughout the novels. Is this not considered important? It seems to be. FiendishThingie 17:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Even stranger, the article wholly omits the trajectory of his love life, from early flirtations to eventual marriage. Are these not an important part of anybody’s biography? While Marlowe is highly alive to feminine allure and is often placed in situations of sexual temptation, where he could either take advantage of or succumb to a woman, normally his integrity allows no more than a kiss. --Hors-la-loi 15:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Bernie Ohls, investigator, certainly qualifies as a friend who appears in more than one short story and novel. (Examples, The Big Sleep, The Long Goodbye.) Anne Riordan, a lady friend, appears in the novel Farewell My Lovely, and in the short story, the Pencil. L. Thomas W. ( talk) 14:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of what I understand is Chandler's first short story, "Blackmailers Don't Shoot." Admittedly, it's written in third person, and this may have something to do with why, unlike other shorts reffed in the article, reprints in Marlowe collections (I first read it in an omnibus, The Midnight Raymond Chandler, but I think it was also in the mass-market paperback Trouble is My Business) don't change the private eye's name from Mallory. But it is generally considered an early Marlowe story as much as the others, and as I said it has been included in Marlowe collections. Ted Watson ( talk) 21:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I know Marlowe often used a Luger and a Model 1911 in .38 Super. I also know he carried a revolver of some sort. But the .32 Colt Pocket Hammerless? I know villains and/or femme fatales might have used them, but Marlowe? Is there a line in one of Chandler's stories that supports that choice of armament? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer1968 ( talk • contribs) 17:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
The scene takes place in Marlowe's office and the drawer he jerks open is the drawer to his desk. It is his gun. He uses it to threaten the two thugs and hits one of them with it although he doesn't fire it. I agree though, he almost never fires his gun in the novels. The only one I remember is in The Big Sleep. But the stories were a little more violent. I recall one of them where Marlowe and DA Investigator Ohls (who he also worked with in The Big Sleep) get involved in a gun fight with some crooks who are trying to kill a witness. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 04:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)“You don’t have a comic book around, do you?” Toad asked. “Keeps him quiet.” “Sit down,” I said. “I’ll look.” He reached for the chair arms. I jerked a drawer open and got my hand around the butt of a Luger. I brought it up slowly, looking at Alfred. Alfred didn’t even look at me. He was studying the corner of the ceiling and trying to keep his mouth out of his eye. “This is as comic as I get,” I said.
I just checked the Introduction to the Anthology Killer in the Rain by Philip Durham. According to Durham I was wrong and it is correct that the name Marlowe was first used in The Big Sleep and before that either the detective had no name (similar to Hammett's Continental Op) or had names other than Marlowe such as Carmady or Dalmas. But virtually all of Chandler's short stories are in the first person. If you look at the anthology Trouble is My Business, every story is in the first person. The same for the anthology Killer in the Rain. Given that I'm leaving the article as it is, although I think The Pencil really belongs in the list of short stories but that's a really minor point and I can see why whoever wrote this wrote it that way so I'm just going to leave it. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 18:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
The following statement on the article under this category contains an error:
In the Count Duckula episode Private Beak, Duckula adopts the pseudonym of Philip Mallard, as a spoof of Marlowe. The name 'Mallard' may refer to Kent Mallard, one of the possible secret identities the Shadow, another pulp fiction crimefighter.
The part about one of the Shadow's possible secret identities being Kent Mallard is incorrect. The name was not Kent Mallard, but Kent Allard (no M). 72.79.1.58 ( talk) 01:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Philip Marlowe is not in any of the short stories in this collection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.170.199 ( talk) 02:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Chandler took the surname name from the Elizabethan playwright and possible spy; Christopher Marlowe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.254.24 ( talk) 14:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I see ABC have announced they're got a new Philip Marlowe series from the creator of Castle in development; Article here. Number36 ( talk) 23:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
I can understand using Bogart as the pic for Marlowe, he was certainly the most famous and his performance in The Big Sleep was IMO just perfect. But he didn't look anything like Marlowe as described by Chandler and Bogart was not someone that Chandler thought a good likeness of Marlowe. The main difference was Marlowe was a big tall guy. In The Big Sleep they even had to change one of the lines of the novel, in the novel the younger daughter says something like "my you're tall" where as in the movie she says "not very tall are you". Not a big deal but as long as we are using a cartoon image anyway I think if someone could get a picture of Marlowe as used in the paperback illustrations of the original books, the big square jawed Marlowe, that was how Chandler described him. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 15:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Although there is a source for the article's claim that Chandler was in Marlowe House at Dulwich, he wasn't, because Marlowe was one of six day houses created at the school in 1919, all named after famous contemporaries of the school's founder Edward Alleyn. Chandler had left the school nearly 15 years earlier. I take it the school's own website is sufficient authority. https://www.dulwich.org.uk/senior-school/co-curricular/day-houses/a-short-history But, of course, as an Old Alleynian, Chandler might have heard about Marlowe House by 1939 when he wrote The Big Sleep. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 20:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Does this piano concerto (made in 2011) count as a notable example to be mentioned in the References in Other Work section, if yes how should it be written?
(Sorry if the question is dumb) RandomEditorAAA ( talk) 02:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure what "just short of the classic six foot, two" refers to. Should probably take that out since it is just confusing. In Farewell, My Lovely, Marlowe is described as having dark hair and a medium heavy build, so I am adding those details. -- Tropic Wolf ( talk) 05:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
"That he has sex with female characters is explicit or implied in each of the novels." This is simply not true. Did anyone actually read these books? Maybe all my books were censored. I DON'T THINK SO. i just read the first three novels, and he does not have sex with any characters in them. It could be he had sex in later novels (maybe I will have more "proof" after I slug my way thru the rest, but the quote says "in EACH of the novels." Again, this is not true!