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This should definitely have the etymology of philately near the top.
I don't know how to salvage this, maybe somebody else can: Stan 19:08 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)
Stamps by country - Some philatelists prefer to limit their study to the stamps produced by a particular stamp issuing authority, or "country" in its broadest sense of the word. This may refer to defunct, rebel or sub-national groups which felt the need to provide or pretend to provide postal services within their jurisdictions.
Postal stationery - These philatelists study such items as post cards and stamped envelopes used to facilitate postal service without the need to affix a gummed stamp to an envelope.
Philately in fiction and art - These people like to study the influence of philately in other areas such as the following:
I uploaded an image which may be of use File:LordKitchenerstamp055.jpg, it's a bit crooked, but I can't figure out how to fix it. I put it at Music of Trinidad and Tobago but someone may find it useful in a stamp-related page. Tuf-Kat 23:37, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)
I rechecked Williams, and it's definitely "timbrophily" that was the proposed term. "Timbrophilia" might be a generalized affection for stamps, but we shouldn't mention it unless it's been documented as a past or present synonym of "philately". Stan 13:22, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
For those interested, here are userboxes set up for placement on one's userpage. -- Aquarius Rising 23:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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{{ User:Scepia/stamp collecting}} |
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{{ User:Scepia/philately}} |
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Ya know, I carefully selected and arranged all the images so as to illustrate the concepts being discussed in the adjacent text. Moving them all into a gallery of microscopic thumbnails completely destroys that value. I'm going to revert unless somebody makes a really really good counterargument. (What is it with galleries these days anyway? Hundreds of well-illustrated articles are being ruined.) Stan 23:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
THEY ARE SYNONYMOUS. This issue is so silly! It is like asking "is oceanography the study of the oceans?". LOL seriously! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.233.110 ( talk) 01:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason there are two seperate articles for these? Cogswobble 17:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
OK I've done a little bit of research. Up to now I was not opposed to separate articles, I was simply pointing out that there would be considerable overlap, so that the material could be arranged under the major topic. Like I said, much of the existing material on WP on each article is relevant to the other, which proves my point. Furthermore many books on the subject ably succeed in covering both aspects; they just arrange appropriate material in suitable chapters.
Up to now I too have thought of philately as the technical study of stamps, while collecting was finding and arranging stamps of a country, etc. Higher authorities, however, do not agree:
Perhaps looking at a few more authorities for comparison could be useful, but it would appear that the term philately does encompass both study and collection of stamps, so that a separate article for stamp collecting is inadvisable. Raichu2 ( talk) 11:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
OK since this is a bigger debate than I realized, I've done a bit more digging. I did a poll at the virtual stamp club, a lively philatelic forum, and out of 62 respondents so far, 59 (95%) believe that philately encompasses both collection and study of stamps. Some respondents quoted philatelic literature (including L.N. Williams) as saying the same thing. All philatelic web sites where I have found a definition of philately state that it encompasses both aspects, including Linns (which AFAIK is a respected publisher). Sure, many indicate that there is more to it than just collecting, but they don't exclude collecting from its scope.
My personal opinion is now the opposite of what I thought originally: the term philately as defined and used by both lexicographers and philatelists definitely includes both aspects. My original reasons for supporting the merging of the two articles was only that there was a lot of overlap but that the distinction should be maintained. Now I think the opposite:
Raichu2 ( talk) 07:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Philately is a fusion of "phil" the Greek word for love and "atélia" (pronounced a-tay-li-ah) the Greek word for "freedom from charges (taken to mean recipient's freedom from delivery charges by virtue of the stamp that the sender affixed to the letter)...Source: The Random House Dictionary of the English Language. Cnutraj 08:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The above is a rather far-fetched theory! The much more likelier explanation is that philatelie is a westernised rendition of philo+telos (i.e. love of charges - in this case postal charges = stamps). The Greek rendition of the word is philotelismos - -- Irlandos ( talk) 10:24, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
In the introduction, "...a stamp collector may choose to acquire and arrange the little pictures without being much troubled about their origin or usage." This phrase seems a bit unencyclopedic. Suggestion: "...stamp collecting is the acquisition of stamps, at times without regard for origin or usage."
68.122.193.47
03:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The lists under "Types of philately" might be a better fit under the article Topical stamp collecting. The bulleted items seem to be such unnecessarily. I realize this is a comment about formatting only. It just struck me as odd when I was browsing through the article and then looked at that section for points of interest only to find out it was nothing more than a laundry list. Fcsuper 03:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
What needs to be expanded? If it's not a specific task, the tag should be removed. --
In Defense of the Artist (
talk)
21:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Completed without objection. — fcsuper ( How's That?, That's How!) ( Exclusionistic Immediatist ) — 14:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Is this link http://www.stamp-philately.com(removed link to now porn site) appropriate for WP, especially in the Socities section? It looks like a commercial business site to me. Sv1xv ( talk) 11:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I know I'm new to this but I thought why not start with the Definition. :)
Philately is the study and collecting of revenue and postage stamps.
Philately by definition covers broadly the collection and study of postage stamps, revenue, postal stationary, postal marks and the history surrounding each.
DjTaber62 ( talk) 20:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
A user recently removed tweezers as philately tools, reasoning that these shouldn't be used. I wonder if this a) is correct and b)if so, shouldn't we mention something about the frequent use of these tools and why they are "dangerous"?-- Narayan ( talk) 17:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I believe the article has sufficient citations that any statements lacking sourcing should be individually identified now. Balle010 ( talk) 02:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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This should definitely have the etymology of philately near the top.
I don't know how to salvage this, maybe somebody else can: Stan 19:08 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)
Stamps by country - Some philatelists prefer to limit their study to the stamps produced by a particular stamp issuing authority, or "country" in its broadest sense of the word. This may refer to defunct, rebel or sub-national groups which felt the need to provide or pretend to provide postal services within their jurisdictions.
Postal stationery - These philatelists study such items as post cards and stamped envelopes used to facilitate postal service without the need to affix a gummed stamp to an envelope.
Philately in fiction and art - These people like to study the influence of philately in other areas such as the following:
I uploaded an image which may be of use File:LordKitchenerstamp055.jpg, it's a bit crooked, but I can't figure out how to fix it. I put it at Music of Trinidad and Tobago but someone may find it useful in a stamp-related page. Tuf-Kat 23:37, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)
I rechecked Williams, and it's definitely "timbrophily" that was the proposed term. "Timbrophilia" might be a generalized affection for stamps, but we shouldn't mention it unless it's been documented as a past or present synonym of "philately". Stan 13:22, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
For those interested, here are userboxes set up for placement on one's userpage. -- Aquarius Rising 23:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Code | Result | ||
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{{ User:Scepia/stamp collecting}} |
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{{ User:Scepia/philately}} |
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Ya know, I carefully selected and arranged all the images so as to illustrate the concepts being discussed in the adjacent text. Moving them all into a gallery of microscopic thumbnails completely destroys that value. I'm going to revert unless somebody makes a really really good counterargument. (What is it with galleries these days anyway? Hundreds of well-illustrated articles are being ruined.) Stan 23:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
THEY ARE SYNONYMOUS. This issue is so silly! It is like asking "is oceanography the study of the oceans?". LOL seriously! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.233.110 ( talk) 01:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason there are two seperate articles for these? Cogswobble 17:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
OK I've done a little bit of research. Up to now I was not opposed to separate articles, I was simply pointing out that there would be considerable overlap, so that the material could be arranged under the major topic. Like I said, much of the existing material on WP on each article is relevant to the other, which proves my point. Furthermore many books on the subject ably succeed in covering both aspects; they just arrange appropriate material in suitable chapters.
Up to now I too have thought of philately as the technical study of stamps, while collecting was finding and arranging stamps of a country, etc. Higher authorities, however, do not agree:
Perhaps looking at a few more authorities for comparison could be useful, but it would appear that the term philately does encompass both study and collection of stamps, so that a separate article for stamp collecting is inadvisable. Raichu2 ( talk) 11:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
OK since this is a bigger debate than I realized, I've done a bit more digging. I did a poll at the virtual stamp club, a lively philatelic forum, and out of 62 respondents so far, 59 (95%) believe that philately encompasses both collection and study of stamps. Some respondents quoted philatelic literature (including L.N. Williams) as saying the same thing. All philatelic web sites where I have found a definition of philately state that it encompasses both aspects, including Linns (which AFAIK is a respected publisher). Sure, many indicate that there is more to it than just collecting, but they don't exclude collecting from its scope.
My personal opinion is now the opposite of what I thought originally: the term philately as defined and used by both lexicographers and philatelists definitely includes both aspects. My original reasons for supporting the merging of the two articles was only that there was a lot of overlap but that the distinction should be maintained. Now I think the opposite:
Raichu2 ( talk) 07:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Philately is a fusion of "phil" the Greek word for love and "atélia" (pronounced a-tay-li-ah) the Greek word for "freedom from charges (taken to mean recipient's freedom from delivery charges by virtue of the stamp that the sender affixed to the letter)...Source: The Random House Dictionary of the English Language. Cnutraj 08:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
The above is a rather far-fetched theory! The much more likelier explanation is that philatelie is a westernised rendition of philo+telos (i.e. love of charges - in this case postal charges = stamps). The Greek rendition of the word is philotelismos - -- Irlandos ( talk) 10:24, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
In the introduction, "...a stamp collector may choose to acquire and arrange the little pictures without being much troubled about their origin or usage." This phrase seems a bit unencyclopedic. Suggestion: "...stamp collecting is the acquisition of stamps, at times without regard for origin or usage."
68.122.193.47
03:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The lists under "Types of philately" might be a better fit under the article Topical stamp collecting. The bulleted items seem to be such unnecessarily. I realize this is a comment about formatting only. It just struck me as odd when I was browsing through the article and then looked at that section for points of interest only to find out it was nothing more than a laundry list. Fcsuper 03:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
What needs to be expanded? If it's not a specific task, the tag should be removed. --
In Defense of the Artist (
talk)
21:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Completed without objection. — fcsuper ( How's That?, That's How!) ( Exclusionistic Immediatist ) — 14:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Is this link http://www.stamp-philately.com(removed link to now porn site) appropriate for WP, especially in the Socities section? It looks like a commercial business site to me. Sv1xv ( talk) 11:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I know I'm new to this but I thought why not start with the Definition. :)
Philately is the study and collecting of revenue and postage stamps.
Philately by definition covers broadly the collection and study of postage stamps, revenue, postal stationary, postal marks and the history surrounding each.
DjTaber62 ( talk) 20:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
A user recently removed tweezers as philately tools, reasoning that these shouldn't be used. I wonder if this a) is correct and b)if so, shouldn't we mention something about the frequent use of these tools and why they are "dangerous"?-- Narayan ( talk) 17:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I believe the article has sufficient citations that any statements lacking sourcing should be individually identified now. Balle010 ( talk) 02:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)