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I remember reading in a Stephen King novel somewhere (not sure which novel it was, but I wanna say Hearts In Atlantis) on how Phil Ochs hanged himself: with a necktie. Is that that true or is it just King taking creative license? I tried to look it up, but I came up with nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.111.34 ( talk) 21:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Grutness ( talk · contribs) - As far as I know, Phil's connection to songwriter/unionist/social activist Joe Hill rests on his own song {"Joe Hill come over from Sweden's shore...") which he wrote of course with knowledge of the earlier song ("I dreamed I saw Joe Hill...") - which was popularized by Paul Robeson, Joan Baez, Pete Seeger, and others, but not specifically by Ochs. In my years of attending Ochs performances, I don't think I ever heard him perform the Hayes/Robinson song, am not aware of any recordings by him of it - he was enamored with the story of Joe Hill, a fellow traveler, and wrote his song which told more of the story than the earlier one. So I agree he popularized the story of Joe Hill, but I don't think he popularized the song per se. Do you have reliable sourcing for your assertion? I could be wrong or mis-remembering of course - and will check with Ochs groups - but would appreciate it if you could tell us where you are getting this from. Bragg's use of the Hayes/Robinson song always seemed to me to be an homage to Phil's interest in Hill's story, not an indication that Phil popularized that song. There is unfortunately a lot of misinformation out there about these two songs - as you noted earlier regarding the authorship of the Hayes/Robinson song for example - sometimes mis-naming one or the other song, etc. And to make matters even more complicated, Bragg recorded a cover of Ochs' "Joe Hill" on the 1990 Don't Mourn-Organize!. It's all rather tangled on the web. So please give us your sourcing. Thanks Tvoz/ talk 00:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Today, December 19, would have been Phil's 75th birthday. Can't you just see him leaning into the mic, singing a brilliant, ironic song about Donald Trump, and laughing about turning 75? If only. Tvoz/ talk 17:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Please discuss here the reasoning for keeping a list of artists that is WAY too long, in my view. Please don't just blindly revert my removals. If you think a certain artist is more deserving than one I kept, feel free to readd it. But blind reversion isn't the way to go. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) ( My talkpage) 18:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have stalled, but I had a thought. What if we created a List of artists who have covered Phil Ochs songs or List of cover versions of Phil Ochs songs? There are a few such lists, such as List of artists who have covered Bob Dylan songs and List of cover versions of Beatles songs. What do others think? — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 12:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
I finished the list today: List of cover versions of Phil Ochs songs Let's discuss how to/whether to further prune the Covers and updates section of the article or add back any of the names that were there until March. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 13:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Today, User:Jpgordon added an "according to whom" template to the opening sentence of the "Legacy" section of the article, "Almost forty years after his death, Ochs's songs remain relevant." The sentence summarizes the entire section and I didn't think it needed to be attributed to anybody. The fact that people are still making new recordings of Ochs's songs indicates that they're still relevant. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 17:57, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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To me, they just seem out of place, even though they're both mentioned in the article.
Perhaps they can be replaced (with the album cover of Greatest Hits, maybe?) or just cut entirely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.240.33 ( talk) 19:39, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
According to the article, "In the early 1960s, there was a folk music rebirth in this country" (my emphasis). That's a rather odd statement for an international encyclopaedia. 82.28.107.46 ( talk) 19:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
(moved from user talk page) Hi, Randy: I am a Phil Ochs fan and follow that page. I question your insistance that Phil was a "Counter Culture of the '60s" figure. A very important anti-war figure, yes, and an important singer-songwriter, of course. But I don't understand the notion of "counter-culture" to encompass all the resistance to illegitimate authority of that era. The Yippies, but not the Weather Underground, I would say. The Fugs were counterculture, and Jefferson Airplane. But how Phil? To put him in that category, it seems to me, defines "counter-culture" too broadly. Your thoughts? PDGPA ( talk) 04:50, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed in the references there are a striking number of citations that just read an author's last name and a page number. Coming here for resources to use and cite in a paper, this is incredibly frustrating! These citations are far below expectations and need to be fixed by whoever created them to include the title of the work being cited, not just the author's last name and page number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VozhdVon ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
What you mean is, in accents which turn the pure vowel ō into a tortured diphthong ending in a /w/ sound, the name Ochs is pronounced according to this phonetic scheme. For the rest of us, the name is pronounced exactly like the ordinary substantive oaks. Nuttyskin ( talk) 12:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
> The FBI was often sloppy in collecting information on Ochs: his name was frequently misspelled "Oakes" in their files
Just FYI, I remember reading (but I can't now remember where) that this was deliberate FBI policy for such people, so that a) the FBI could truthfully deny that they had a file on a "Phil Ochs", and b) a computer search on "Ochs" would not find it.
Paul Magnussen ( talk) 21:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
To add to this article: what the family was doing in El Paso, Texas when Phil Ochs was born (since neither of his parents were from Texas). Were they just visiting, or working there? 98.123.38.211 ( talk) 14:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:No idea. Please do the research and if you find reliable sourcing for information about his parents, post something here on Talk with the citation - if it's appropriate for inclusion, the article will be updated. Tvoz/ talk 01:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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I remember reading in a Stephen King novel somewhere (not sure which novel it was, but I wanna say Hearts In Atlantis) on how Phil Ochs hanged himself: with a necktie. Is that that true or is it just King taking creative license? I tried to look it up, but I came up with nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.111.34 ( talk) 21:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Grutness ( talk · contribs) - As far as I know, Phil's connection to songwriter/unionist/social activist Joe Hill rests on his own song {"Joe Hill come over from Sweden's shore...") which he wrote of course with knowledge of the earlier song ("I dreamed I saw Joe Hill...") - which was popularized by Paul Robeson, Joan Baez, Pete Seeger, and others, but not specifically by Ochs. In my years of attending Ochs performances, I don't think I ever heard him perform the Hayes/Robinson song, am not aware of any recordings by him of it - he was enamored with the story of Joe Hill, a fellow traveler, and wrote his song which told more of the story than the earlier one. So I agree he popularized the story of Joe Hill, but I don't think he popularized the song per se. Do you have reliable sourcing for your assertion? I could be wrong or mis-remembering of course - and will check with Ochs groups - but would appreciate it if you could tell us where you are getting this from. Bragg's use of the Hayes/Robinson song always seemed to me to be an homage to Phil's interest in Hill's story, not an indication that Phil popularized that song. There is unfortunately a lot of misinformation out there about these two songs - as you noted earlier regarding the authorship of the Hayes/Robinson song for example - sometimes mis-naming one or the other song, etc. And to make matters even more complicated, Bragg recorded a cover of Ochs' "Joe Hill" on the 1990 Don't Mourn-Organize!. It's all rather tangled on the web. So please give us your sourcing. Thanks Tvoz/ talk 00:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Today, December 19, would have been Phil's 75th birthday. Can't you just see him leaning into the mic, singing a brilliant, ironic song about Donald Trump, and laughing about turning 75? If only. Tvoz/ talk 17:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Please discuss here the reasoning for keeping a list of artists that is WAY too long, in my view. Please don't just blindly revert my removals. If you think a certain artist is more deserving than one I kept, feel free to readd it. But blind reversion isn't the way to go. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) ( My talkpage) 18:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have stalled, but I had a thought. What if we created a List of artists who have covered Phil Ochs songs or List of cover versions of Phil Ochs songs? There are a few such lists, such as List of artists who have covered Bob Dylan songs and List of cover versions of Beatles songs. What do others think? — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 12:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
I finished the list today: List of cover versions of Phil Ochs songs Let's discuss how to/whether to further prune the Covers and updates section of the article or add back any of the names that were there until March. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 13:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Today, User:Jpgordon added an "according to whom" template to the opening sentence of the "Legacy" section of the article, "Almost forty years after his death, Ochs's songs remain relevant." The sentence summarizes the entire section and I didn't think it needed to be attributed to anybody. The fact that people are still making new recordings of Ochs's songs indicates that they're still relevant. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 17:57, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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To me, they just seem out of place, even though they're both mentioned in the article.
Perhaps they can be replaced (with the album cover of Greatest Hits, maybe?) or just cut entirely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.240.33 ( talk) 19:39, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
According to the article, "In the early 1960s, there was a folk music rebirth in this country" (my emphasis). That's a rather odd statement for an international encyclopaedia. 82.28.107.46 ( talk) 19:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
(moved from user talk page) Hi, Randy: I am a Phil Ochs fan and follow that page. I question your insistance that Phil was a "Counter Culture of the '60s" figure. A very important anti-war figure, yes, and an important singer-songwriter, of course. But I don't understand the notion of "counter-culture" to encompass all the resistance to illegitimate authority of that era. The Yippies, but not the Weather Underground, I would say. The Fugs were counterculture, and Jefferson Airplane. But how Phil? To put him in that category, it seems to me, defines "counter-culture" too broadly. Your thoughts? PDGPA ( talk) 04:50, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed in the references there are a striking number of citations that just read an author's last name and a page number. Coming here for resources to use and cite in a paper, this is incredibly frustrating! These citations are far below expectations and need to be fixed by whoever created them to include the title of the work being cited, not just the author's last name and page number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VozhdVon ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
What you mean is, in accents which turn the pure vowel ō into a tortured diphthong ending in a /w/ sound, the name Ochs is pronounced according to this phonetic scheme. For the rest of us, the name is pronounced exactly like the ordinary substantive oaks. Nuttyskin ( talk) 12:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
> The FBI was often sloppy in collecting information on Ochs: his name was frequently misspelled "Oakes" in their files
Just FYI, I remember reading (but I can't now remember where) that this was deliberate FBI policy for such people, so that a) the FBI could truthfully deny that they had a file on a "Phil Ochs", and b) a computer search on "Ochs" would not find it.
Paul Magnussen ( talk) 21:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
To add to this article: what the family was doing in El Paso, Texas when Phil Ochs was born (since neither of his parents were from Texas). Were they just visiting, or working there? 98.123.38.211 ( talk) 14:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:No idea. Please do the research and if you find reliable sourcing for information about his parents, post something here on Talk with the citation - if it's appropriate for inclusion, the article will be updated. Tvoz/ talk 01:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)