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In Canada and the States there is a commercial in which one of his songs is used, its one of the more bars commercials and depected is a swimming pool, and a baseball game. Does anyone know that songs name?
Hey... anyone have all of his production credits? I know he produced Frida's 1982 hit "I know there's something going on" and a few others.
To Hadal: don't revert other people's edits. Someone obviously put a lot of hard work into the second mini-article that was present on this page. It contains information that is as valuable as whatever's in the longer article. Someone should merge the two of them together, but I did not restore the original content so that some bits of information could overshadow some others.
Please, someone with the time and the interest in reading about Phil Collins, merge this information in with the rest of the article:
Phil Collins is a British rock/ pop musician, born Philip David Charles Collins on January 30, 1951, in London, England. His show business career began early, as a child actor and model. In 1970, he joined the already successful group, Genesis, as their drummer.
In 1975, when lead singer Peter Gabriel, left the group, Collins took over as vocalist, and took Genesis on to bigger and more commercial endeavors. In 1986, Invisible Touch topped the album charts, and by this time they had several hit singles under their belt to go with the string of successful albums.
In 1981, Collins embarked on a simultaneous solo career, with the album Face Value. In 1985, he was one of the stars of the Live Aid concert, during which he was jetted from Britain to the USA to take part in both parts of the programme. He also took up acting again, taking the lead in the 1988 flop, Buster, in which he played "great" train robber Buster Edwards.
Collins is a successful songwriter, and was asked by Disney to produce the score for the animated film Tarzan in 1999.
Proposition:
As a drummer, I feel that a short section on Phil's unique "face hugger"/heavily processed drum sound would definately be in order for this article... it was really quite revolutionary at the time and has left quite a lasting impression on the drumming/production community. His "gated, phallic concert tom" sound is quite possibly the most recognizable of any recorded drumset sound in rock history. 63.117.4.118 04:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC) Aaron
Proposition:
This article should include information concerning Phil Collins' work on Brian Eno's early albums.
I am adding more content and reorganizing this article. 1) Pre-Genesis 2)Genesis 3)Solo Career
AreJay 17:59, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think Phil Collins is most well-known for his singing. Therefore, I think the introductory paragraph(s) should make mention that he is a singer. Seems like an odd oversight. (Craig Buchek, 28 April 2005)
Phil Collins says from himself, that he is a drummer, who sings a little bit. Therefore it seems - at least rhetorically - not to be too wrong, to begin so. (Armin Stephan, 31 May 2005)
It says he is best known as Singer, Drummer, and Solo Artist. I believe this is grammatically incorrect. You can only be best known for one thing, not three. Someone should edit this. I don't know what he is best known for. Willem.
The intro, which should introduce the four topics of the article (Early career, Genesis era, Solo career, and Films), only introduce the first three. Perhaps the intro should finish with a mention of what he has done most recently: his oscar-winning film career. (Patrick, 13 June 2006)
In the biographies of Phil Collins, especially on his official website, You can read, that he was five years old, when he got his first drums. I corrected this. (Armin Stephan, 31 May 2005)
the album is call "... but seriously" and not "but seriously..." (the dots in the beginning). can't change it since it would break the link and I don't know how to correct that. may be one of you know how to do it.
Is it really necessary to list every musician who has ever played on Phil Collins album in this article? Drumsac 23:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
"After arriving early, Collins was asked to wait for the other drummers to have their turns. Collins listened and spent his time in the family pool learning the pieces before he sat down at the drum kit. By the time he was to audition, he knew all the parts and was quickly hired by the band." I'm not sure what this says. They let him sit by the family pool while listening to others audition? -- Gbleem 06:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
According to "Phil Collins: The Definitive Biography" by Ray Coleman, "Phil's punctiliousness in arriving early was to prove an asset. He was asked to wait by the swimming pool while other drummers auditioned ahead of him. This meant he could hear exactly what he would be required to do, for the precise chance. There were four specific tests, checking the player's capacity to learn as well as demonstrating rhythmic ability and a comprehensive knowledge of the drums. The songs were 'The Knife' and 'Stagnation', both from the second album". (Pg. 63, c. 1997, British edition). I'll look into clarifying this in the main article, as it makes it appear he went for a swim before the audition. -- Ataricodfish 16:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
According to a PG biography, they seemed to also choose him before he started playing just by the way he sat down at the kit. MrMarmite 09:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I noted that someone nominated the page for Featured Article Candidate (FAC). While myself and the others who have worked on this page appreciate the compliment, and I'm sure that the page is on its way to being a viable nominee, I agree with the general discussion that the page is not yet ready. For more on the discussion, however minor, check here [ [1]].
However, I have reviewed some of the suggestions and have begun work on them. One, the bottom of this page previously felt like a collection of lists. I have compacted this and created two separate articles out of those lists, see Touring and studio musicians of Phil Collins and Phil Collins discography. For the touring musician page, I agreed with one of the earlier comments that I felt it unneccessary to list every musician who ever proformed with Collins in this article. However, a lot of work went into that section by whoever made it, and I didn't want to see it go completely, so I created a new page for this while keeping his current tour listing. For the albums and singles, I put all the information regarding their release and chart performance on the discography page, while keeping the names of the albums on this page.
I also agree that the article is in need of more references before it can become a FAC.
Either way, I hope you don't mind the changes, and hopefully, this article can move toward being a successful FAC someday. Thanks. -- Ataricodfish 00:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Point of this part of the article is?? Shouldnt this section be featured in the south park article...it takes away from the phil collins article's...aurora...if you will. Nominaladversary 23:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Phil Collins has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.
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I think the article is just about ready, having reached 31K today and a significant improvement over the original Featured Article nomination. Article now has plenty of references, audio samples, and has been reviewed for grammar and general flow. I'm going to move this forward for a second attempt as a featured article. -- Ataricodfish 04:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, just a note that I've been deleting the links that have been added by User:Jamesonking to an affilate link for Phil Collins merchandise. According to Wikipedia is not a soapbox, "External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they can serve to identify major corporations associated with a topic. Please note Wikipedia does not endorse any businesses and it does not set up affiliate programs." As such, I don't believe that a link through an affiliate program to Phil Collins' merchandise should be included in order to "Support the Artist!", as the editor put on the page. A link to Collins merchandise already appears on his official website, which is part of the external links. As I doubt Collins needs our help to support his career -- rumor has it he's somewhat rich already -- I don't think the link is needed and will continue to revert it. -- Ataricodfish 03:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Great work and all, and I'm a fan, but really, the prose of this article is not something worthy of the Main Page. I just cleaned up the "Solo Career" section a little. I was dismayed at what I found ... song titles italicized (except for one graf where they were properly in quotes), smart apostrophes, inconsistent use of "#" and "No." to indicate chart position, overuse of nouns where pronouns would do, some morphological clunkers like "reoccurred" and sentences like "Songs like ... indicate a turn to more politically-driven songs."
I also have some confusion over the bit about the fax discovered by the British tabloids. Collins, the article says, "strenuously denied" this. Denied what? That the fax was his? That he wanted to divorce her? (Well, he did, didn't he?) This should be made clearer.
I am strongly tempted to just do a master cleanup on the whole thing, but I'm not sure if I have the time.
Did different people work on different sections? I have seen this in a few too many other successful FAs ( Ran, for instance). That's a great way to get the article done, but someone needs to go through the whole thing afterwards and make it look like something you'd expect to get an A on. As it is, it's a B- at best (largely because of the research). Daniel Case 03:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible (of course) to move the 'spoken article' sign in the upper right corner little bit lower so it doesn't interrupt with text. -- 193.95.216.228 05:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
We get info about his third wife and his divorce, but no name for first or second wives or indication of who he had kids with. Then we have a transition from him saying he can't leave the UK because of his kids ... to living in Switzerland, which he also won't leave because of kids #2. -- Dhartung | Talk 09:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
(outdenting) Biographies typically have a section on personal life (marriages, kids, etc.). Hardly trivia, and this could go there. I don't have the inclination myself to catalogue his wives and kids, but it seems worth adding, and this was a big deal when it happened. Jokestress 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Just a quick thank you to anyone who watched over the page, editted vandal attacks, and made any helpful additions during the last 24 hours while Phil was the Featured Article. I appreciate the help. -- Ataricodfish 00:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
His fued with Oasis members Liam and Noel should have a mention it's a major part of what comes to mind when thinking of Phil.
Oasis are hardly cutting edge themselves. Any band that peaks on its first two albums and yet drags on for another decade and more, with increasingly dire material, are little better than a cabaret act - the Gallaghers should get over themselves. Collins may be bland, but at least he's an adult. Guv2006 18:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
There has been no solid proof that she and Phil are anything other than friends. I think we should change this. Snowbound 04:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC) This isn't the tabloids. It doesn't need to be here. Sposato ( talk) 02:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I made some changes today in the format of the article, which I just wanted to explain quickly.
1) I deleted this unsourced information, which I could not locate online and could be a possible hoax, "Perhaps all these roles had some part to play in his most recent project, but the most notable contribution has to be by Paul Merton on the television programme Room 101. Collins' entertaining performance on the 19th July 2006 episode of this long running programme has led to a contract with the BBC to present and host his very own television show. Although this is only in early development at the moment, it has been widely rumoured that this new television programme will be given the slightly cheesy but nonetheless apt name, "S-S-Studio"."
2) I combined "Films" and "Theater" sections, because the Theater section is currently only two lines. As the theater section expands, I think it will warrent another section.
3) In regards to Dana Tyler, I agree with the above that without sources and just vague references to tabloids, I deleted this information from the Personal section. Also, I deleted the external link to her official biography, as that belongs on a page about Dana Tyler, not on Collins' page.
-- Ataricodfish 13:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey all,
I think that it's great that anon user User:84.184.110.247 added all the award and nomination information. However, it gives this article something of a list feel, something which we've attempted to avoid since it receiving FA status. For other musicians, the awards are often put on a new page (See Madonna's achievements and awards and List of Mariah Carey awards). As such, I'm going to move the award information to a seperate page and add the links to the template, see also, and categories. I'm going to call the page List of Phil Collins's Awards, which someone could rename if so need be.
-- Ataricodfish 18:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
As others have pointed out, this article is a little light on the extensive criticism of Collins by music critics. I'm not sure where to put the following (to preserve flow), but I think the following paragraph sums it up:
Of course, the cites would be cleaned up if posted in the main article. By the way, the Rod Stewart article has some info on his critical response, including Rolling Stone's infamous quote, "Rarely has a singer had as full and unique a talent as Rod Stewart; rarely has anyone betrayed his talent so completely." So criticism need not be shied away from. Calbaer 20:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello- On which album is Phil Collins' song "True Colours"?
It's on the Hits-Album. This is just a compilation, but it's the only album, where "True Colours" is
I came across Joni Fuller which claims that she is a member of "Phil Collins’ "Music Foundation". However, this article has nothing on it. Does anyone know anything about it. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey all,
I decided to be bold and remove the random section, with its own subheading and everything, recently added about Collins' relationship with Oasis member Noel Gallagher. As has been discussed on this Talk page previously, this feud is relatively minor and unencyclopedic, and I personally don't see a need to have a section and ignore, say, his relationship with Madonna or Sting or Cookie Monster or any other individual.
I'll go back into hiding now.
-- Ataricodfish 06:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Right. I don't think there's anything in the feud with Noel Gallagher that would warrant an entire section in the article dedicated to it. Noel Gallagher is at best ignorant, talentless and crass and I don't think anybody cares or wants to hear of his opinion on anything. AreJay 14:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Rubbish. look at the quote above : - "Noel Gallagher is at best ignorant, talentless and crass and I don't think anybody cares or wants to hear of his opinion on anything.". I have no love for Gallgher either, but to paraphrase Chandler Bing, Could you BE any more subjective? As for the difference between this and 'his' relationship with Madonna or Sting or Cookie Monster or any other individual, this 'feud' was the subject of a great deal of newspaper articles at the time, is indicative of Collins being viewed generally as talentless and his undoubtedly restrained response, is mentioned prominently on the Noel Gallagher wiki page, and such it warrants inclusion.
I suspect the reason you disagree (I'm talking to AreJay here) has more to do with your obvious lack of objectivity that any other reason. I've put the section back in. If you disagree, I have no problem - but come up with a better reason than what amounts to 'I don't like Noel Gallagher so I'm removing this section because he says nasty things about my hero Phil Collins'. That is all. Mikejstevenson 13:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please remove the current text and replace it with the original article about Phil Collins
Isn't the 'W' unpronounced in 'Chiswick'?-- Jickyincognito 15:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The section detailing Phil's career as a solo artist is quite meandering in parts, and really needs to be tightened-up. It reads more like a book for fans than an encyclopedia article. Mruss 17:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking there should be a reference that he was in a skit wrestling the Ultimate Warrior, I'm sure someone around knows more about this than me and could include it. Nudas veritas 05:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
In the section named Solo Career the last lines of the second paragraph read as "The result was the "gated reverb" sound which Collins invented, which the assistance of studio engineer, Hugh Padgham." Is something missing in this sentence, should it be "with the assistance..." or is it correct?-- Henry Berthelsen 14:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
It says that it's to be near his children, but I and a lot of people I know thought it was because he doesn't get taxed as much in Switzerland as he does in the UK Speedboy Salesman 17:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
This article had incorrectly attributed the invention of the "gated drum" sound to Phil Collins. True, Phil was playing drums at the time and he certainly was the one who made the sound famous, but it was engineer Hugh Padgham who was responsible for conceiving and engineering the actual sound. I made a minor correction to reflect this. Cheers. Wikisicky ( talk) 14:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
for the citation portion, might want to use WP:CITE. miranda 01:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The article focuses too much on Collin's singing and less on his drumming. There should be at least a section on his innovating drumming (as a left hand drummer) and his session/guest appearances as a drummer in 50+ albums (Peter Gabriel, Eric Clapton, Tommy Bolin, Steve Hackett, Paul McCartney, Brian Eno, Robert Plant, Tina Turner, Mike Oldfield...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.241.167 ( talk) 01:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
This is talking more as a big fan than a wiki editor, but is he still losing his hearing, or was it just a one off thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.72.9 ( talk) 08:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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I tried visiting the web address given for Phil Collins' web page in the article, but recieved no response other than a "Page not found" error message. If this doesn't change, maybe the link should be removed or have a 'Defunct' label next to it.
I tried accessing PC's home page on the 20th of April, 2008.
Alguien sabe que fue lo que motivó a Phil Collins a escribir el tema "Long long way to go"?
Does someone knows the reason that motivated Phil Collins to wrote the song "Long long way to go" in 1985? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.106.71.139 ( talk) 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
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In Canada and the States there is a commercial in which one of his songs is used, its one of the more bars commercials and depected is a swimming pool, and a baseball game. Does anyone know that songs name?
Hey... anyone have all of his production credits? I know he produced Frida's 1982 hit "I know there's something going on" and a few others.
To Hadal: don't revert other people's edits. Someone obviously put a lot of hard work into the second mini-article that was present on this page. It contains information that is as valuable as whatever's in the longer article. Someone should merge the two of them together, but I did not restore the original content so that some bits of information could overshadow some others.
Please, someone with the time and the interest in reading about Phil Collins, merge this information in with the rest of the article:
Phil Collins is a British rock/ pop musician, born Philip David Charles Collins on January 30, 1951, in London, England. His show business career began early, as a child actor and model. In 1970, he joined the already successful group, Genesis, as their drummer.
In 1975, when lead singer Peter Gabriel, left the group, Collins took over as vocalist, and took Genesis on to bigger and more commercial endeavors. In 1986, Invisible Touch topped the album charts, and by this time they had several hit singles under their belt to go with the string of successful albums.
In 1981, Collins embarked on a simultaneous solo career, with the album Face Value. In 1985, he was one of the stars of the Live Aid concert, during which he was jetted from Britain to the USA to take part in both parts of the programme. He also took up acting again, taking the lead in the 1988 flop, Buster, in which he played "great" train robber Buster Edwards.
Collins is a successful songwriter, and was asked by Disney to produce the score for the animated film Tarzan in 1999.
Proposition:
As a drummer, I feel that a short section on Phil's unique "face hugger"/heavily processed drum sound would definately be in order for this article... it was really quite revolutionary at the time and has left quite a lasting impression on the drumming/production community. His "gated, phallic concert tom" sound is quite possibly the most recognizable of any recorded drumset sound in rock history. 63.117.4.118 04:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC) Aaron
Proposition:
This article should include information concerning Phil Collins' work on Brian Eno's early albums.
I am adding more content and reorganizing this article. 1) Pre-Genesis 2)Genesis 3)Solo Career
AreJay 17:59, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think Phil Collins is most well-known for his singing. Therefore, I think the introductory paragraph(s) should make mention that he is a singer. Seems like an odd oversight. (Craig Buchek, 28 April 2005)
Phil Collins says from himself, that he is a drummer, who sings a little bit. Therefore it seems - at least rhetorically - not to be too wrong, to begin so. (Armin Stephan, 31 May 2005)
It says he is best known as Singer, Drummer, and Solo Artist. I believe this is grammatically incorrect. You can only be best known for one thing, not three. Someone should edit this. I don't know what he is best known for. Willem.
The intro, which should introduce the four topics of the article (Early career, Genesis era, Solo career, and Films), only introduce the first three. Perhaps the intro should finish with a mention of what he has done most recently: his oscar-winning film career. (Patrick, 13 June 2006)
In the biographies of Phil Collins, especially on his official website, You can read, that he was five years old, when he got his first drums. I corrected this. (Armin Stephan, 31 May 2005)
the album is call "... but seriously" and not "but seriously..." (the dots in the beginning). can't change it since it would break the link and I don't know how to correct that. may be one of you know how to do it.
Is it really necessary to list every musician who has ever played on Phil Collins album in this article? Drumsac 23:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
"After arriving early, Collins was asked to wait for the other drummers to have their turns. Collins listened and spent his time in the family pool learning the pieces before he sat down at the drum kit. By the time he was to audition, he knew all the parts and was quickly hired by the band." I'm not sure what this says. They let him sit by the family pool while listening to others audition? -- Gbleem 06:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
According to "Phil Collins: The Definitive Biography" by Ray Coleman, "Phil's punctiliousness in arriving early was to prove an asset. He was asked to wait by the swimming pool while other drummers auditioned ahead of him. This meant he could hear exactly what he would be required to do, for the precise chance. There were four specific tests, checking the player's capacity to learn as well as demonstrating rhythmic ability and a comprehensive knowledge of the drums. The songs were 'The Knife' and 'Stagnation', both from the second album". (Pg. 63, c. 1997, British edition). I'll look into clarifying this in the main article, as it makes it appear he went for a swim before the audition. -- Ataricodfish 16:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
According to a PG biography, they seemed to also choose him before he started playing just by the way he sat down at the kit. MrMarmite 09:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I noted that someone nominated the page for Featured Article Candidate (FAC). While myself and the others who have worked on this page appreciate the compliment, and I'm sure that the page is on its way to being a viable nominee, I agree with the general discussion that the page is not yet ready. For more on the discussion, however minor, check here [ [1]].
However, I have reviewed some of the suggestions and have begun work on them. One, the bottom of this page previously felt like a collection of lists. I have compacted this and created two separate articles out of those lists, see Touring and studio musicians of Phil Collins and Phil Collins discography. For the touring musician page, I agreed with one of the earlier comments that I felt it unneccessary to list every musician who ever proformed with Collins in this article. However, a lot of work went into that section by whoever made it, and I didn't want to see it go completely, so I created a new page for this while keeping his current tour listing. For the albums and singles, I put all the information regarding their release and chart performance on the discography page, while keeping the names of the albums on this page.
I also agree that the article is in need of more references before it can become a FAC.
Either way, I hope you don't mind the changes, and hopefully, this article can move toward being a successful FAC someday. Thanks. -- Ataricodfish 00:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Point of this part of the article is?? Shouldnt this section be featured in the south park article...it takes away from the phil collins article's...aurora...if you will. Nominaladversary 23:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Phil Collins has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.
The following areas need work to meet the criteria: None |
I think the article is just about ready, having reached 31K today and a significant improvement over the original Featured Article nomination. Article now has plenty of references, audio samples, and has been reviewed for grammar and general flow. I'm going to move this forward for a second attempt as a featured article. -- Ataricodfish 04:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hey all, just a note that I've been deleting the links that have been added by User:Jamesonking to an affilate link for Phil Collins merchandise. According to Wikipedia is not a soapbox, "External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they can serve to identify major corporations associated with a topic. Please note Wikipedia does not endorse any businesses and it does not set up affiliate programs." As such, I don't believe that a link through an affiliate program to Phil Collins' merchandise should be included in order to "Support the Artist!", as the editor put on the page. A link to Collins merchandise already appears on his official website, which is part of the external links. As I doubt Collins needs our help to support his career -- rumor has it he's somewhat rich already -- I don't think the link is needed and will continue to revert it. -- Ataricodfish 03:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Great work and all, and I'm a fan, but really, the prose of this article is not something worthy of the Main Page. I just cleaned up the "Solo Career" section a little. I was dismayed at what I found ... song titles italicized (except for one graf where they were properly in quotes), smart apostrophes, inconsistent use of "#" and "No." to indicate chart position, overuse of nouns where pronouns would do, some morphological clunkers like "reoccurred" and sentences like "Songs like ... indicate a turn to more politically-driven songs."
I also have some confusion over the bit about the fax discovered by the British tabloids. Collins, the article says, "strenuously denied" this. Denied what? That the fax was his? That he wanted to divorce her? (Well, he did, didn't he?) This should be made clearer.
I am strongly tempted to just do a master cleanup on the whole thing, but I'm not sure if I have the time.
Did different people work on different sections? I have seen this in a few too many other successful FAs ( Ran, for instance). That's a great way to get the article done, but someone needs to go through the whole thing afterwards and make it look like something you'd expect to get an A on. As it is, it's a B- at best (largely because of the research). Daniel Case 03:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible (of course) to move the 'spoken article' sign in the upper right corner little bit lower so it doesn't interrupt with text. -- 193.95.216.228 05:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
We get info about his third wife and his divorce, but no name for first or second wives or indication of who he had kids with. Then we have a transition from him saying he can't leave the UK because of his kids ... to living in Switzerland, which he also won't leave because of kids #2. -- Dhartung | Talk 09:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
(outdenting) Biographies typically have a section on personal life (marriages, kids, etc.). Hardly trivia, and this could go there. I don't have the inclination myself to catalogue his wives and kids, but it seems worth adding, and this was a big deal when it happened. Jokestress 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Just a quick thank you to anyone who watched over the page, editted vandal attacks, and made any helpful additions during the last 24 hours while Phil was the Featured Article. I appreciate the help. -- Ataricodfish 00:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
His fued with Oasis members Liam and Noel should have a mention it's a major part of what comes to mind when thinking of Phil.
Oasis are hardly cutting edge themselves. Any band that peaks on its first two albums and yet drags on for another decade and more, with increasingly dire material, are little better than a cabaret act - the Gallaghers should get over themselves. Collins may be bland, but at least he's an adult. Guv2006 18:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
There has been no solid proof that she and Phil are anything other than friends. I think we should change this. Snowbound 04:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC) This isn't the tabloids. It doesn't need to be here. Sposato ( talk) 02:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I made some changes today in the format of the article, which I just wanted to explain quickly.
1) I deleted this unsourced information, which I could not locate online and could be a possible hoax, "Perhaps all these roles had some part to play in his most recent project, but the most notable contribution has to be by Paul Merton on the television programme Room 101. Collins' entertaining performance on the 19th July 2006 episode of this long running programme has led to a contract with the BBC to present and host his very own television show. Although this is only in early development at the moment, it has been widely rumoured that this new television programme will be given the slightly cheesy but nonetheless apt name, "S-S-Studio"."
2) I combined "Films" and "Theater" sections, because the Theater section is currently only two lines. As the theater section expands, I think it will warrent another section.
3) In regards to Dana Tyler, I agree with the above that without sources and just vague references to tabloids, I deleted this information from the Personal section. Also, I deleted the external link to her official biography, as that belongs on a page about Dana Tyler, not on Collins' page.
-- Ataricodfish 13:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey all,
I think that it's great that anon user User:84.184.110.247 added all the award and nomination information. However, it gives this article something of a list feel, something which we've attempted to avoid since it receiving FA status. For other musicians, the awards are often put on a new page (See Madonna's achievements and awards and List of Mariah Carey awards). As such, I'm going to move the award information to a seperate page and add the links to the template, see also, and categories. I'm going to call the page List of Phil Collins's Awards, which someone could rename if so need be.
-- Ataricodfish 18:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
As others have pointed out, this article is a little light on the extensive criticism of Collins by music critics. I'm not sure where to put the following (to preserve flow), but I think the following paragraph sums it up:
Of course, the cites would be cleaned up if posted in the main article. By the way, the Rod Stewart article has some info on his critical response, including Rolling Stone's infamous quote, "Rarely has a singer had as full and unique a talent as Rod Stewart; rarely has anyone betrayed his talent so completely." So criticism need not be shied away from. Calbaer 20:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello- On which album is Phil Collins' song "True Colours"?
It's on the Hits-Album. This is just a compilation, but it's the only album, where "True Colours" is
I came across Joni Fuller which claims that she is a member of "Phil Collins’ "Music Foundation". However, this article has nothing on it. Does anyone know anything about it. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey all,
I decided to be bold and remove the random section, with its own subheading and everything, recently added about Collins' relationship with Oasis member Noel Gallagher. As has been discussed on this Talk page previously, this feud is relatively minor and unencyclopedic, and I personally don't see a need to have a section and ignore, say, his relationship with Madonna or Sting or Cookie Monster or any other individual.
I'll go back into hiding now.
-- Ataricodfish 06:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Right. I don't think there's anything in the feud with Noel Gallagher that would warrant an entire section in the article dedicated to it. Noel Gallagher is at best ignorant, talentless and crass and I don't think anybody cares or wants to hear of his opinion on anything. AreJay 14:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Rubbish. look at the quote above : - "Noel Gallagher is at best ignorant, talentless and crass and I don't think anybody cares or wants to hear of his opinion on anything.". I have no love for Gallgher either, but to paraphrase Chandler Bing, Could you BE any more subjective? As for the difference between this and 'his' relationship with Madonna or Sting or Cookie Monster or any other individual, this 'feud' was the subject of a great deal of newspaper articles at the time, is indicative of Collins being viewed generally as talentless and his undoubtedly restrained response, is mentioned prominently on the Noel Gallagher wiki page, and such it warrants inclusion.
I suspect the reason you disagree (I'm talking to AreJay here) has more to do with your obvious lack of objectivity that any other reason. I've put the section back in. If you disagree, I have no problem - but come up with a better reason than what amounts to 'I don't like Noel Gallagher so I'm removing this section because he says nasty things about my hero Phil Collins'. That is all. Mikejstevenson 13:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please remove the current text and replace it with the original article about Phil Collins
Isn't the 'W' unpronounced in 'Chiswick'?-- Jickyincognito 15:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The section detailing Phil's career as a solo artist is quite meandering in parts, and really needs to be tightened-up. It reads more like a book for fans than an encyclopedia article. Mruss 17:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking there should be a reference that he was in a skit wrestling the Ultimate Warrior, I'm sure someone around knows more about this than me and could include it. Nudas veritas 05:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
In the section named Solo Career the last lines of the second paragraph read as "The result was the "gated reverb" sound which Collins invented, which the assistance of studio engineer, Hugh Padgham." Is something missing in this sentence, should it be "with the assistance..." or is it correct?-- Henry Berthelsen 14:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
It says that it's to be near his children, but I and a lot of people I know thought it was because he doesn't get taxed as much in Switzerland as he does in the UK Speedboy Salesman 17:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
This article had incorrectly attributed the invention of the "gated drum" sound to Phil Collins. True, Phil was playing drums at the time and he certainly was the one who made the sound famous, but it was engineer Hugh Padgham who was responsible for conceiving and engineering the actual sound. I made a minor correction to reflect this. Cheers. Wikisicky ( talk) 14:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
for the citation portion, might want to use WP:CITE. miranda 01:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The article focuses too much on Collin's singing and less on his drumming. There should be at least a section on his innovating drumming (as a left hand drummer) and his session/guest appearances as a drummer in 50+ albums (Peter Gabriel, Eric Clapton, Tommy Bolin, Steve Hackett, Paul McCartney, Brian Eno, Robert Plant, Tina Turner, Mike Oldfield...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.241.167 ( talk) 01:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
This is talking more as a big fan than a wiki editor, but is he still losing his hearing, or was it just a one off thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.72.9 ( talk) 08:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 16:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I tried visiting the web address given for Phil Collins' web page in the article, but recieved no response other than a "Page not found" error message. If this doesn't change, maybe the link should be removed or have a 'Defunct' label next to it.
I tried accessing PC's home page on the 20th of April, 2008.
Alguien sabe que fue lo que motivó a Phil Collins a escribir el tema "Long long way to go"?
Does someone knows the reason that motivated Phil Collins to wrote the song "Long long way to go" in 1985? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.106.71.139 ( talk) 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)