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This whole article is very dubious. I would be curious to know what is the source. Many of the names of the "kingdoms" are rendered in an old-fashioned, Dano-Norwegian version. The claim about the title of the rulers being Konge is obviously wrong, as the word in old norse would be konungr, but I would also question which sources exist to tell us the titles of Norwegian chieftains of the 9th century. The number 29 seems entirely random, though I suspect it is taken from the number of administrative units at a much later stage in Norwegian history. The names of the "kings" are also entirely unsourced. ( Barend 08:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
I will repeat and strenghten the doubts about this list.
This list was started as an unsourced collection of names mentioned elsewhere, and there are still no general overview sources. When the first source were introduced in august 2006, it was a private, not-so-official source, arild-hauge.com, summing up every notion of any petty king, village chieftain or mighty earl mentioned in the earliest parts of Heimskringla.
Treating Ynglinga saga and Saga of Harald Fairhair as reliable sources in modern historical terms is not a good idea, to say the least. The Sagas obviously exaggerated the King's victories, and to do so, they also had to exaggerate his enemies. Not to mention that the sagas had other concepts of historical truth than we do.
The list seem to be based on the concept that if there once was a person mentioned as king – be it in a realiable source or not - there must have been a kingdom of some durability and substance. There are so many weak links in this postulate, that it must be rejected. Several of these alleged kingdoms have no known rulers, and some of them are connected to only one name. (Some of these names again – like Halfdan Hvitbeinn, are only known from legendary sagas). As for Dale-Gudbrand, he is described as a hersir. Yet, this list wants to list the Kingdom of Gudbrandsdalen. Disturbing, at the least! Bw Orland ( talk) 08:43, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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This whole article is very dubious. I would be curious to know what is the source. Many of the names of the "kingdoms" are rendered in an old-fashioned, Dano-Norwegian version. The claim about the title of the rulers being Konge is obviously wrong, as the word in old norse would be konungr, but I would also question which sources exist to tell us the titles of Norwegian chieftains of the 9th century. The number 29 seems entirely random, though I suspect it is taken from the number of administrative units at a much later stage in Norwegian history. The names of the "kings" are also entirely unsourced. ( Barend 08:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
I will repeat and strenghten the doubts about this list.
This list was started as an unsourced collection of names mentioned elsewhere, and there are still no general overview sources. When the first source were introduced in august 2006, it was a private, not-so-official source, arild-hauge.com, summing up every notion of any petty king, village chieftain or mighty earl mentioned in the earliest parts of Heimskringla.
Treating Ynglinga saga and Saga of Harald Fairhair as reliable sources in modern historical terms is not a good idea, to say the least. The Sagas obviously exaggerated the King's victories, and to do so, they also had to exaggerate his enemies. Not to mention that the sagas had other concepts of historical truth than we do.
The list seem to be based on the concept that if there once was a person mentioned as king – be it in a realiable source or not - there must have been a kingdom of some durability and substance. There are so many weak links in this postulate, that it must be rejected. Several of these alleged kingdoms have no known rulers, and some of them are connected to only one name. (Some of these names again – like Halfdan Hvitbeinn, are only known from legendary sagas). As for Dale-Gudbrand, he is described as a hersir. Yet, this list wants to list the Kingdom of Gudbrandsdalen. Disturbing, at the least! Bw Orland ( talk) 08:43, 10 January 2020 (UTC)