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http://forsythkitchener.blogspot.com/2007_09_09_archive.html
Note that his sister Mary and his sister Polly are the same person. Don't forget this. Wily D 17:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Native American Authors and Their Communities, Jace Weaver, Wíčazo Ša Review, Vol. 12, No. 1 (Spring, 1997), pp. 47-87, University of Minnesota Press, http://www.jstor.org/stable/1409163
[5] Elizabeth Jones, birth & death date
http://digilib.bu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2144/661/jamesevans00maclrich.txt?sequence=1
Anglican clergy among the Mohawks "have for a century past been in the habit of administering that holy ordinance to notorious drunkards, Sabbath breakers, and whoremongers" (1830)(Smith, 97) Roman Catholics - "they neglect to teach them [the Indians] the depravity of the human heart, and the necessity of coming to Christ alone for pardon and mercy: in this was they make the Indians ten times more the children of the devil than they were before." (1828)(Smith, 97)
Fields comes from a well-to-do family of Lambeth, father owned a candle factory. She saved the Newspaper telling of Weelington's defeat of Napolean from 22June1815 all her life - born 1804. (131) Attended boarding school in Peckham 8 years, studied landscape drawing under E. Bouquet, active in her church teaching sunday school, strongly influenced by her preachers Rowland Hill (132)
Wins over the father in ~month (138), but learns about A. Jones' 2 wifes after Peter Departs, reforbids union. Robert Alder, Methodist Missionary Superintendant has a little word (A/Jones repented, son isn't father), and by December Charlies Fields relents unhappily. 140
Jones had planned to return to England for wedding, but can't. Eliza comes to New York with Egerton instead - daddy unhappy, more arguments w/ Alder, Ryerson and Daughter - relents.
Marry in the home of Francis Hall, as is custom there. Fields thinks weird. Newspapers take attention, mostly against (142) Eliza's private, unhappy about this.
Three clicks northeast of Brantford (probably in Brantford now). Wily D 12:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Track down this:
All others works now incorporated into "Bibliography" section. CJLippert ( talk) 16:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Also, as I can't find "Ojebway Spelling Book, Translated. 1828." though I see ample reference to it. I wonder if the Spellings for the Schools in the Chipeway Language currently attached to the front end of Project Gutenberg's EBook of Sketch of Grammar of the Chippeway Languages (Cazenovia: J. F. Fairchild & Son, 1834), by John Summerfield, is this supposed book, as the book attached on the front end does not cite the author, but does give (York: Canada Conference Missionary Society, 1828), and the spelling style is same as that of O zhe pe e kun nun... printed a year later. CJLippert ( talk) 15:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm certainly no expert in Methodism; hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I will also review. I have the following questions and concerns:
Still need:
Just calling attention to the Peer Review. Wily D 14:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Required for all date ranges: please see WP:DASH. Tony (talk) 09:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Very nice. This could be a FA without too much work, I'd expect. Sumoeagle179 ( talk) 00:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey, after I added in a few more books written by Peter Jones under the "Bibliography" and took a look at the article, I have noticed the article says "Matthew" was translated in 1832 but the various resources out there on the 'net says 1829. I don't know if the 1832 version is a revised version of the 1829 or if the 1829 version didn't get published until 1832, but this inconsistency is apt to be noticed. While at it, all the dates should be verified to ensure the article don't contradict itself. CJLippert ( talk) 20:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
* Review: [untitled] * Barbara Graymont * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) & the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * The Journal of American History, Vol. 75, No. 3 (Dec., 1988), pp. 943-943 * Publisher: Organization of American Historians * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1901617
* Review: [untitled] * Henry Warner Bowden * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * The Western Historical Quarterly, Vol. 20, No. 1 (Feb., 1989), pp. 83-84 * Publisher: Western Historical Quarterly, Utah State University on behalf of the The Western History Association * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/968504
* Review: [untitled] * Peter N. Peregrine * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * Ethnohistory, Vol. 36, No. 3 (Summer, 1989), pp. 320-321 * Publisher: Duke University Press * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/482683
* Review: [untitled] * Rebecca Kugel * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * American Indian Quarterly, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Winter, 1990), pp. 57-59 * Publisher: University of Nebraska Press * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1185010
* Review: [untitled] * E. Palmer Patterson * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * The American Historical Review, Vol. 94, No. 4 (Oct., 1989), pp. 1204-1205 * Publisher: American Historical Association * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1906794
Section Credit mission, last para:
What's the difference? Needs clarification, maybe. ... said: Rursus ( bork²) 12:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
In Canada the term "Indian" to refer to people of Aboriginal origin is frequently seen as inappropriate and / or derrogatory. Pursuantly I have modified the entry, replacing the word "indian" with more neutral terms such as "native" or "aboriginal person" except where referencing what others would have, at that time, called an aboriginal person where I have inserted "quotation marks" around the word "Indian". 64.201.173.189 ( talk) 13:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
“ | First Nation: A term that came into common usage in the 1970s to replace the word “Indian,” which some people found offensive. Although the term First Nation is widely used, no legal definition of it exists. Among its uses, the term “First Nations peoples” refers to the Indian peoples in Canada, both Status and non-Status. Some Indian peoples have also adopted the term “First Nation” to replace the word “band” in the name of their community. | ” |
“ | Indian: Indian peoples are one of three groups of people recognized as Aboriginal in the Constitution Act, 1982. It specifies that Aboriginal people in Canada consist of Indians, Inuit and Métis. Indians in Canada are often referred to as: Status Indians, non-Status Indians and Treaty Indians. | ” |
article states that Peter Jones' father was Augustus Jones, an American born Welsh immigrant. can't be. can't be born in America and be a Welsh immigrant at the same time. ( Omdhjr ( talk) 19:30, 27 March 2009 (UTC))
I find this article incredibly offensive in a number of ways. Firstly, it's blatantly Euro-centric and pro-Christian and seems to glorify the cultural genocide of Native American peoples.
I think this article needs a major re-write to remove this bias.
-Jeff —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drosera99 ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Being from and currently residing in the Saugeen First Nation, I agree there is a certain amount of offense to be taken with the sell-out, Peter Jones. Any Indian who chooses the European ways and religions that destroyed our culture, language, and brought us such wonderful institutions as the residential schools could be perceived as such. Jones was at best, a self-serving, weak hearted coward who would rather seek out the comforts of Eurpoean living and women than to get his hands, and apparently his spirit, dirty by being amongst his own people, helping them from their side of the fence. All that being said, it really is neither here nor there with regards to an "encyclopedic" look at his life. If you're offended by the wikipedia site, you're going to be even more offended by the book about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.249.156 ( talk) 22:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I recently found the image File:David Octavius Hill and Robert Adamson - Rev. Peter Jones or Kahkewaquonaby, 1802 - 1856. Indian chief and missionary in Canada (b) - Google Art Project.jpg (right) related to this article. Please feel free to use it if it's useful. Dcoetzee 04:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I still don't understand the objection to either of my versions [7] [8] compared to this version [9]. All three versions are identical, with the exception that neither of mine is in a clean up category and the other version is in a clean up category. Featured articles should not be in clean up categories. I fail to see why a genuine good faith attempt to maintain the article should be labeled as vandalism or damage. DrKiernan ( talk) 10:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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http://forsythkitchener.blogspot.com/2007_09_09_archive.html
Note that his sister Mary and his sister Polly are the same person. Don't forget this. Wily D 17:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Native American Authors and Their Communities, Jace Weaver, Wíčazo Ša Review, Vol. 12, No. 1 (Spring, 1997), pp. 47-87, University of Minnesota Press, http://www.jstor.org/stable/1409163
[5] Elizabeth Jones, birth & death date
http://digilib.bu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2144/661/jamesevans00maclrich.txt?sequence=1
Anglican clergy among the Mohawks "have for a century past been in the habit of administering that holy ordinance to notorious drunkards, Sabbath breakers, and whoremongers" (1830)(Smith, 97) Roman Catholics - "they neglect to teach them [the Indians] the depravity of the human heart, and the necessity of coming to Christ alone for pardon and mercy: in this was they make the Indians ten times more the children of the devil than they were before." (1828)(Smith, 97)
Fields comes from a well-to-do family of Lambeth, father owned a candle factory. She saved the Newspaper telling of Weelington's defeat of Napolean from 22June1815 all her life - born 1804. (131) Attended boarding school in Peckham 8 years, studied landscape drawing under E. Bouquet, active in her church teaching sunday school, strongly influenced by her preachers Rowland Hill (132)
Wins over the father in ~month (138), but learns about A. Jones' 2 wifes after Peter Departs, reforbids union. Robert Alder, Methodist Missionary Superintendant has a little word (A/Jones repented, son isn't father), and by December Charlies Fields relents unhappily. 140
Jones had planned to return to England for wedding, but can't. Eliza comes to New York with Egerton instead - daddy unhappy, more arguments w/ Alder, Ryerson and Daughter - relents.
Marry in the home of Francis Hall, as is custom there. Fields thinks weird. Newspapers take attention, mostly against (142) Eliza's private, unhappy about this.
Three clicks northeast of Brantford (probably in Brantford now). Wily D 12:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Track down this:
All others works now incorporated into "Bibliography" section. CJLippert ( talk) 16:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Also, as I can't find "Ojebway Spelling Book, Translated. 1828." though I see ample reference to it. I wonder if the Spellings for the Schools in the Chipeway Language currently attached to the front end of Project Gutenberg's EBook of Sketch of Grammar of the Chippeway Languages (Cazenovia: J. F. Fairchild & Son, 1834), by John Summerfield, is this supposed book, as the book attached on the front end does not cite the author, but does give (York: Canada Conference Missionary Society, 1828), and the spelling style is same as that of O zhe pe e kun nun... printed a year later. CJLippert ( talk) 15:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm certainly no expert in Methodism; hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I will also review. I have the following questions and concerns:
Still need:
Just calling attention to the Peer Review. Wily D 14:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Required for all date ranges: please see WP:DASH. Tony (talk) 09:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Very nice. This could be a FA without too much work, I'd expect. Sumoeagle179 ( talk) 00:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey, after I added in a few more books written by Peter Jones under the "Bibliography" and took a look at the article, I have noticed the article says "Matthew" was translated in 1832 but the various resources out there on the 'net says 1829. I don't know if the 1832 version is a revised version of the 1829 or if the 1829 version didn't get published until 1832, but this inconsistency is apt to be noticed. While at it, all the dates should be verified to ensure the article don't contradict itself. CJLippert ( talk) 20:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
* Review: [untitled] * Barbara Graymont * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) & the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * The Journal of American History, Vol. 75, No. 3 (Dec., 1988), pp. 943-943 * Publisher: Organization of American Historians * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1901617
* Review: [untitled] * Henry Warner Bowden * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * The Western Historical Quarterly, Vol. 20, No. 1 (Feb., 1989), pp. 83-84 * Publisher: Western Historical Quarterly, Utah State University on behalf of the The Western History Association * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/968504
* Review: [untitled] * Peter N. Peregrine * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * Ethnohistory, Vol. 36, No. 3 (Summer, 1989), pp. 320-321 * Publisher: Duke University Press * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/482683
* Review: [untitled] * Rebecca Kugel * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * American Indian Quarterly, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Winter, 1990), pp. 57-59 * Publisher: University of Nebraska Press * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1185010
* Review: [untitled] * E. Palmer Patterson * Reviewed work(s): Sacred Feathers: The Reverend Peter Jones (Kahkewaquonaby) and the Mississauga Indians by Donald B. Smith * The American Historical Review, Vol. 94, No. 4 (Oct., 1989), pp. 1204-1205 * Publisher: American Historical Association * Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1906794
Section Credit mission, last para:
What's the difference? Needs clarification, maybe. ... said: Rursus ( bork²) 12:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
In Canada the term "Indian" to refer to people of Aboriginal origin is frequently seen as inappropriate and / or derrogatory. Pursuantly I have modified the entry, replacing the word "indian" with more neutral terms such as "native" or "aboriginal person" except where referencing what others would have, at that time, called an aboriginal person where I have inserted "quotation marks" around the word "Indian". 64.201.173.189 ( talk) 13:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
“ | First Nation: A term that came into common usage in the 1970s to replace the word “Indian,” which some people found offensive. Although the term First Nation is widely used, no legal definition of it exists. Among its uses, the term “First Nations peoples” refers to the Indian peoples in Canada, both Status and non-Status. Some Indian peoples have also adopted the term “First Nation” to replace the word “band” in the name of their community. | ” |
“ | Indian: Indian peoples are one of three groups of people recognized as Aboriginal in the Constitution Act, 1982. It specifies that Aboriginal people in Canada consist of Indians, Inuit and Métis. Indians in Canada are often referred to as: Status Indians, non-Status Indians and Treaty Indians. | ” |
article states that Peter Jones' father was Augustus Jones, an American born Welsh immigrant. can't be. can't be born in America and be a Welsh immigrant at the same time. ( Omdhjr ( talk) 19:30, 27 March 2009 (UTC))
I find this article incredibly offensive in a number of ways. Firstly, it's blatantly Euro-centric and pro-Christian and seems to glorify the cultural genocide of Native American peoples.
I think this article needs a major re-write to remove this bias.
-Jeff —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drosera99 ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Being from and currently residing in the Saugeen First Nation, I agree there is a certain amount of offense to be taken with the sell-out, Peter Jones. Any Indian who chooses the European ways and religions that destroyed our culture, language, and brought us such wonderful institutions as the residential schools could be perceived as such. Jones was at best, a self-serving, weak hearted coward who would rather seek out the comforts of Eurpoean living and women than to get his hands, and apparently his spirit, dirty by being amongst his own people, helping them from their side of the fence. All that being said, it really is neither here nor there with regards to an "encyclopedic" look at his life. If you're offended by the wikipedia site, you're going to be even more offended by the book about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.249.156 ( talk) 22:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I recently found the image File:David Octavius Hill and Robert Adamson - Rev. Peter Jones or Kahkewaquonaby, 1802 - 1856. Indian chief and missionary in Canada (b) - Google Art Project.jpg (right) related to this article. Please feel free to use it if it's useful. Dcoetzee 04:14, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I still don't understand the objection to either of my versions [7] [8] compared to this version [9]. All three versions are identical, with the exception that neither of mine is in a clean up category and the other version is in a clean up category. Featured articles should not be in clean up categories. I fail to see why a genuine good faith attempt to maintain the article should be labeled as vandalism or damage. DrKiernan ( talk) 10:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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