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www.peterbeter.host.sk is an older version of the page.
Actual version of the page is www.peterdavidbeter.com where are also actual mp3 of all audio letters.
On the host.sk those mp3 are not available...
A lot of work needed to make this article NPOV. I will make a start, but does anyone else want to participate? Itsmejudith 15:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree it needs help. It reads more like an advertisment for a supporter's website than a biography. I will be happy to participate as well. Butterfieldblue. April 29 2008
hello all, i'm doing my best to further build and improve this article as well,i believe that this the least anyone could do to show respect for a personality like dr beter's.hope to see this article "blooming" with useful info one day... Grandia01 07:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I am removing the statement insinuating that Beter predicted the 9/11 attacks. Provide a reliable source that someone holds this belief.-- Dcooper 16:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Beter released a series of audio newsletter tapes between 1975 and 1982. [1] Through his tapes, Beter influenced various people such as those behind Cosmic Awareness (Beter is mentioned in numerous Revelations of Awareness newsletters, most predominantly in issue 79-20 [2] and 19 other references throughout the newsletters over the years [3]; his audio letters are also linked to from the CAC website [4]) and the 1980s punk band, the Wanderers. [5]
Beter also influenced Robert Dean ("Bob Dobbs"). [6]
I would suggest you carefully read the verifiability policy, fan sites are not acceptable sources. Addhoc 22:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
How are these not reliable sources? - Eep² 18:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Why did you remove the Cosmic Awareness and Bob Dobbs references? The Cosmic Awareness primary source is only used to show that Beter is mentioned in the newsletter and on the website--see for yourself--and the Bob Dobbs source mentions Beter:
Regarding the Bob Dobbs reference, there is a question about this "Bob Dobbs" (who I've seen referenced as "Bob Dean", "Robert Dean", and even "Bob Marshall") being the figurehead of the Church of the SubGenius, let alone having met Beter. See a recent deletion review of "Bob Dobbs" I proposed. Dobbs/Dean/Marshall also claims many other meetings with famous people since his 1922 birthdate (which would make him 84 years old, despite him actually looking much younger). Granted, these are worth investigating on their own, but I feel the reference is questionable thus far, considering my recent research into Dobbs/Dean's credibility on the alt.slack newsgroup. I have yet to verify his connection to Beter other than his own diary (which you referenced). I believe there needs to be some other reference besides Dobbs/Dean's own diary. - Eep² 07:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I've removed statements that are sourced directly to a site called peterbeter.host.sk which purports to contain transcripts of audio tapes recorded by Beter. This isn't a reliable source. If as the article said, he "was known for his highly controversial claims--according to his audio letters" then there should be ample secondary sources that report on the contents of those audio letters. I've also removed a statement sourced to the website of the Church of SubGenius, an organisation which would be the first to disavow all pretensions towards reliability on matters of fact. Also I've removed a claim about death threats that appears to be sourced to a book by some other crank author. -- Tony Sidaway 08:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed a reference to his religion from the lead. If it's just some email somebody received, it certainly shouldn't be there. Moreover it's hard to see what relevance his religion might have. -- Tony Sidaway 02:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Grandia01, we cannot state that Beter was assassinated (by whom?) without reliable sources. Proabivouac 05:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
The second sentence says that Beter ran for Governor, but doesn't mention which state this was in. -- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 04:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
ben kımım —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.104.118 ( talk) 12:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
sds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.104.118 ( talk) 12:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This article states:
[begin quote] Beter was known for his highly controversial claims, some of which included allegations of conspiracy in the highest political positions; Beter claimed that:
Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the Kennedy assassination.[16] Several important public figures such as David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and Jimmy Carter are actually dead, and are being impersonated by organic "robotoids".[17][18][19] Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) after the Hearst newspaper chain published secret Congressional testimony. This testimony revealed that America's atomic secrets were handed over to the Soviet Union - not stolen by Soviet spies, before America's first atomic bomb was finished, and that the Rockefellers were directly involved in this plot.[20][21][22] The CIA was responsible for the secret death of General George Scratchley Brown because he simply knew "too much".[23] The Jonestown massacre was staged to camouflage a joint U.S.-Israeli military operation to destroy a Soviet missile base in Guyana. The Jonestown incident explained the movement of U.S. military personnel into Guyana and concealed the real count of casualties from the attack on the Soviet base.[24] Particle beam weapons and other advanced aerial weapons under secret development had the power to change the weather. Both the U.S. and the Soviet Union had developed such weapons.[25] [end quote] Controversial implies that something causes controversy, that is, debate. Beter's claims are obviously absurd and baseless. Even Peter Myers, an Australian right-wing author who believes in some conspiracy theories and publishes a website [2], once said to me when I sent him Beter's materials "I cannot use materials like Beter's without evidence, please don't waste my time with this stuff" and dismissed Beter as a crackpot. Calling Beter "controversial" implies some people respect him and his ideas, and I do not think that is the case. He was basically a demented idiot, just like Eustace Mullins, although we cannot say it in those exact words in the article, I think calling him "controversial" it to charitable. RandomScholar30 ( talk) 05:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on May 3, 2007. The result of the discussion was No consensus. |
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Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
www.peterbeter.host.sk is an older version of the page.
Actual version of the page is www.peterdavidbeter.com where are also actual mp3 of all audio letters.
On the host.sk those mp3 are not available...
A lot of work needed to make this article NPOV. I will make a start, but does anyone else want to participate? Itsmejudith 15:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree it needs help. It reads more like an advertisment for a supporter's website than a biography. I will be happy to participate as well. Butterfieldblue. April 29 2008
hello all, i'm doing my best to further build and improve this article as well,i believe that this the least anyone could do to show respect for a personality like dr beter's.hope to see this article "blooming" with useful info one day... Grandia01 07:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I am removing the statement insinuating that Beter predicted the 9/11 attacks. Provide a reliable source that someone holds this belief.-- Dcooper 16:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Beter released a series of audio newsletter tapes between 1975 and 1982. [1] Through his tapes, Beter influenced various people such as those behind Cosmic Awareness (Beter is mentioned in numerous Revelations of Awareness newsletters, most predominantly in issue 79-20 [2] and 19 other references throughout the newsletters over the years [3]; his audio letters are also linked to from the CAC website [4]) and the 1980s punk band, the Wanderers. [5]
Beter also influenced Robert Dean ("Bob Dobbs"). [6]
I would suggest you carefully read the verifiability policy, fan sites are not acceptable sources. Addhoc 22:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
How are these not reliable sources? - Eep² 18:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Why did you remove the Cosmic Awareness and Bob Dobbs references? The Cosmic Awareness primary source is only used to show that Beter is mentioned in the newsletter and on the website--see for yourself--and the Bob Dobbs source mentions Beter:
Regarding the Bob Dobbs reference, there is a question about this "Bob Dobbs" (who I've seen referenced as "Bob Dean", "Robert Dean", and even "Bob Marshall") being the figurehead of the Church of the SubGenius, let alone having met Beter. See a recent deletion review of "Bob Dobbs" I proposed. Dobbs/Dean/Marshall also claims many other meetings with famous people since his 1922 birthdate (which would make him 84 years old, despite him actually looking much younger). Granted, these are worth investigating on their own, but I feel the reference is questionable thus far, considering my recent research into Dobbs/Dean's credibility on the alt.slack newsgroup. I have yet to verify his connection to Beter other than his own diary (which you referenced). I believe there needs to be some other reference besides Dobbs/Dean's own diary. - Eep² 07:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I've removed statements that are sourced directly to a site called peterbeter.host.sk which purports to contain transcripts of audio tapes recorded by Beter. This isn't a reliable source. If as the article said, he "was known for his highly controversial claims--according to his audio letters" then there should be ample secondary sources that report on the contents of those audio letters. I've also removed a statement sourced to the website of the Church of SubGenius, an organisation which would be the first to disavow all pretensions towards reliability on matters of fact. Also I've removed a claim about death threats that appears to be sourced to a book by some other crank author. -- Tony Sidaway 08:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed a reference to his religion from the lead. If it's just some email somebody received, it certainly shouldn't be there. Moreover it's hard to see what relevance his religion might have. -- Tony Sidaway 02:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Grandia01, we cannot state that Beter was assassinated (by whom?) without reliable sources. Proabivouac 05:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
The second sentence says that Beter ran for Governor, but doesn't mention which state this was in. -- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 04:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
ben kımım —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.104.118 ( talk) 12:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
sds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.104.118 ( talk) 12:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This article states:
[begin quote] Beter was known for his highly controversial claims, some of which included allegations of conspiracy in the highest political positions; Beter claimed that:
Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the Kennedy assassination.[16] Several important public figures such as David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and Jimmy Carter are actually dead, and are being impersonated by organic "robotoids".[17][18][19] Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) after the Hearst newspaper chain published secret Congressional testimony. This testimony revealed that America's atomic secrets were handed over to the Soviet Union - not stolen by Soviet spies, before America's first atomic bomb was finished, and that the Rockefellers were directly involved in this plot.[20][21][22] The CIA was responsible for the secret death of General George Scratchley Brown because he simply knew "too much".[23] The Jonestown massacre was staged to camouflage a joint U.S.-Israeli military operation to destroy a Soviet missile base in Guyana. The Jonestown incident explained the movement of U.S. military personnel into Guyana and concealed the real count of casualties from the attack on the Soviet base.[24] Particle beam weapons and other advanced aerial weapons under secret development had the power to change the weather. Both the U.S. and the Soviet Union had developed such weapons.[25] [end quote] Controversial implies that something causes controversy, that is, debate. Beter's claims are obviously absurd and baseless. Even Peter Myers, an Australian right-wing author who believes in some conspiracy theories and publishes a website [2], once said to me when I sent him Beter's materials "I cannot use materials like Beter's without evidence, please don't waste my time with this stuff" and dismissed Beter as a crackpot. Calling Beter "controversial" implies some people respect him and his ideas, and I do not think that is the case. He was basically a demented idiot, just like Eustace Mullins, although we cannot say it in those exact words in the article, I think calling him "controversial" it to charitable. RandomScholar30 ( talk) 05:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC)