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The dog, Bear, is currently listed as a main character in this article. What are the thoughts on this? Drmargi ( Personal attack removed) has already argued that the dog "plays a prominent role, appears weekly" and thus the inclusion is warranted. Does this dog have a speaking role? No. Is it listed in the opening credits? No. Is it listed in the standalone article for the show's characters? Again, no. I see no reason to have a dog listed as a main character. ChakaKong Let's talk about it 21:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Two things: a. Our policy is that the producers ultimately determine main cast, and the producers do consider Boker to be main cast. One or the other (I forget which one) said so at the Nerdist Writer's Panel on Sunday. It's available as a podcast, so I'll source it once I can wade through and find the timing, and; b. this is a perfect WP:IAR situation. What's better for the article? The dog has been in the article since the beginning of the second season, plays an active role, appears in nearly every episode, figures in dialogue (see Root's totting up of the team's size versus Samaritan's in 401), and gets a lot of screen time. What's the harm in explaining to our readers who he is? Isn't this the most logical place for people to go to find out, and isn't that the function of an encyclopedia? The article is better for including him. -- Drmargi ( talk) 19:52, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I moved the items about the dog as a comment in Finch's paragraph, per WP:TVCAST: "The cast should be organized according to the series original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list. Please keep in mind that 'main' cast status is determined by the series producers, not by popularity or screen time." When the producers add the dog's credit to the main cast, the dog may be added to the main cast list. AbramTerger ( talk) 21:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Drmargi:Could you please cite the episode where you believe the dog is credited in the main cast? I can not find any indication where the dog is even credited, but I can live with a comment/note at the end of the recurring character section or if you want a note with the main characters, a comment in the section of Finch or even Reese would be acceptable. But based on WP:TVCAST the dog is not a main cast member, it is not about the total appearances but about the credit. AbramTerger ( talk) 10:20, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I suggest that Bear be added back to the main cast list. I respect the Wikipedia standards quoted by various editors who have far, far, more experience than I do, but none of those points really refute the original argument made for Bear's inclusion (second post in this thread). I don't see why including Bear constitutes "original research." Bear has been mentioned, with his AKC-registered name (Graubaer's Boker) and his "Person of Interest" role in numerous published sources that would normally be perfectly acceptable to Wikipedia. See, for example, this short USA Today piece: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2014/09/17/see-what-the-person-of-interest-dog-did-this-summer/77357736/. It no more constitutes "original research" to cite such an article than it does to cite the show's official cast list from IMdb or some equivalent source. Others in the discussion have pointed out the importance of being a little flexible on some of the standards in order to serve the larger purpose of having articles that inform readers on genuinely relevant points. Here's a question for those who don't want to include Bear: In 1977, and again in 1980, the first two episodes of the "Star Wars" franchise were released without crediting James Earl Jones as the voice of Darth Vader. (I know, because I watched both films in their theatrical release, multiple times, all the way to the very end of the credits.) Jones was first credited in 1983, at the end of Episode VI. If Wikipedia had existed in 1981, would it have been incorrect to include Jones's name in the cast list? I don't think so; in fact, I think withholding such a crucial fact would have made the article dishonest. Apruzan ( talk) 21:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I realize that this isn't a forum but as a casual viewer who is thoroughly confused by the long-arc storylines of this show (which makes HR mob plot look straight-forward), I just want to clarify that there are three antagonist groups that Reese, Shaw and Finch are fighting against:
Is this correct? Because it's not always clear who they are running from in each episode. I'm also not sure if Root is an antagonist or not as Finch believes she is a threat but she works alongside the group at times. She is probably best thought of as a free agent, I suppose.
Also, the article probably should be updated to note all of the character deaths that occurred in fall 2013...I would but as my knowledge on this show is a bit shaky, I hesitate to write anything authoritative as it might involve some guesswork on my part. Liz Read! Talk! 23:58, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I would like to see wikipedia change the genre as to not lable P of I as science fiction. Dr Meno ( talk) 16:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Is there any influence by Gibson's novel "Neuromancer"? There are two scenes where people walk past a row of pay phones, and they ring, as the machine tries to contact someone. That seems like a quotation from a scene in Neuromancer, when Wintermute is insisting on talking to someone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:9500:A:593E:FD92:B104:7018 ( talk) 20:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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The dog, Bear, is currently listed as a main character in this article. What are the thoughts on this? Drmargi ( Personal attack removed) has already argued that the dog "plays a prominent role, appears weekly" and thus the inclusion is warranted. Does this dog have a speaking role? No. Is it listed in the opening credits? No. Is it listed in the standalone article for the show's characters? Again, no. I see no reason to have a dog listed as a main character. ChakaKong Let's talk about it 21:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Two things: a. Our policy is that the producers ultimately determine main cast, and the producers do consider Boker to be main cast. One or the other (I forget which one) said so at the Nerdist Writer's Panel on Sunday. It's available as a podcast, so I'll source it once I can wade through and find the timing, and; b. this is a perfect WP:IAR situation. What's better for the article? The dog has been in the article since the beginning of the second season, plays an active role, appears in nearly every episode, figures in dialogue (see Root's totting up of the team's size versus Samaritan's in 401), and gets a lot of screen time. What's the harm in explaining to our readers who he is? Isn't this the most logical place for people to go to find out, and isn't that the function of an encyclopedia? The article is better for including him. -- Drmargi ( talk) 19:52, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I moved the items about the dog as a comment in Finch's paragraph, per WP:TVCAST: "The cast should be organized according to the series original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list. Please keep in mind that 'main' cast status is determined by the series producers, not by popularity or screen time." When the producers add the dog's credit to the main cast, the dog may be added to the main cast list. AbramTerger ( talk) 21:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Drmargi:Could you please cite the episode where you believe the dog is credited in the main cast? I can not find any indication where the dog is even credited, but I can live with a comment/note at the end of the recurring character section or if you want a note with the main characters, a comment in the section of Finch or even Reese would be acceptable. But based on WP:TVCAST the dog is not a main cast member, it is not about the total appearances but about the credit. AbramTerger ( talk) 10:20, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I suggest that Bear be added back to the main cast list. I respect the Wikipedia standards quoted by various editors who have far, far, more experience than I do, but none of those points really refute the original argument made for Bear's inclusion (second post in this thread). I don't see why including Bear constitutes "original research." Bear has been mentioned, with his AKC-registered name (Graubaer's Boker) and his "Person of Interest" role in numerous published sources that would normally be perfectly acceptable to Wikipedia. See, for example, this short USA Today piece: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2014/09/17/see-what-the-person-of-interest-dog-did-this-summer/77357736/. It no more constitutes "original research" to cite such an article than it does to cite the show's official cast list from IMdb or some equivalent source. Others in the discussion have pointed out the importance of being a little flexible on some of the standards in order to serve the larger purpose of having articles that inform readers on genuinely relevant points. Here's a question for those who don't want to include Bear: In 1977, and again in 1980, the first two episodes of the "Star Wars" franchise were released without crediting James Earl Jones as the voice of Darth Vader. (I know, because I watched both films in their theatrical release, multiple times, all the way to the very end of the credits.) Jones was first credited in 1983, at the end of Episode VI. If Wikipedia had existed in 1981, would it have been incorrect to include Jones's name in the cast list? I don't think so; in fact, I think withholding such a crucial fact would have made the article dishonest. Apruzan ( talk) 21:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I realize that this isn't a forum but as a casual viewer who is thoroughly confused by the long-arc storylines of this show (which makes HR mob plot look straight-forward), I just want to clarify that there are three antagonist groups that Reese, Shaw and Finch are fighting against:
Is this correct? Because it's not always clear who they are running from in each episode. I'm also not sure if Root is an antagonist or not as Finch believes she is a threat but she works alongside the group at times. She is probably best thought of as a free agent, I suppose.
Also, the article probably should be updated to note all of the character deaths that occurred in fall 2013...I would but as my knowledge on this show is a bit shaky, I hesitate to write anything authoritative as it might involve some guesswork on my part. Liz Read! Talk! 23:58, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I would like to see wikipedia change the genre as to not lable P of I as science fiction. Dr Meno ( talk) 16:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Is there any influence by Gibson's novel "Neuromancer"? There are two scenes where people walk past a row of pay phones, and they ring, as the machine tries to contact someone. That seems like a quotation from a scene in Neuromancer, when Wintermute is insisting on talking to someone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:9500:A:593E:FD92:B104:7018 ( talk) 20:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)