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Aren't the websites given here scams or even somehow illegal (they sell passports...) ??
-Probably. I wouldn't buy anything from them. But they are informative.
Which websites given here are "scams"? I don't see any. If you know any website given in a Wikipedia article to be a scam you should flag it.
There are websites (not listed in the article) which tell people how to qualify for citizenship in various countries. There is nothing illegal in this. (For that matter, government websites of several countries explain how to qualify for citizenship.) After becoming a citizen of a country, obtaining a passport is usually straightforward.
None of the "Perpetual Traveller" material is useful to citizens of the United States, Myanmar, or Eritrea, because these three countries tax citizens regardless of where they live. All other countries tax residents only. Longitude2 ( talk) 15:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
i am african american and concerned about racism interfering with my world traverl (in the future, that is, i am 14) is it safe for black travelers in central asia aka the stans? (kazakhstan, turkmenistan, etc.)
No references. I suggest this is original research. As such it is not encyclopedic and I will remove it as per WP policy. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 08:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
This section talks about 5 flags. Where to "play" (flag #5) is certainly subject to personal taste. But it would be nice to have a top 5 list for current countries that suit the need for flags #1, #2, #3 and #4.
Flag #1 Passport and citizenship – in a country that does not tax money earned outside the country or control actions.
Flag #2 Legal residence – in a tax haven.
Flag #3 Business base – where one earns one's money, ideally somewhere with low corporate tax rates.
Flag #4 Asset haven - where one keeps one's money, ideally somewhere with low taxation of passive income and capital gains.
Is "perpetual traveler" just a politically correct phrase for the deadbeat kind of backpacker who bought a one way ticket and never really managed to get home? CloutierFan02 ( talk) 02:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
This was obvious written by someone unversed in law. In particular, this:
In fact, one can be considered a "resident" of a state or the United States for some purposes in a very short period of time. There is no one definition of "residence" or "domicile" for all purposes. Next, this is dangerously wrong because all U.S. citizens who are not exempt (usually for having very little income at all) must file tax returns annually, regardless of whether they live in the United States for any period of time. While foreign taxes are deductible and the first several hundred thousand dollars earned overseas may be excluded from taxation, a return must still be filed. Finally, anyone, even an alien, who earns income within the United States (unless, again, it is a very small amount) must still file a tax return, regardless of how little time they spend in the U.S. (Sometimes, even if they spend no time in the United States, if they earn income from there.) If it is earned in an employment setting, income taxes will be withheld anyway, so it is usually necessary to file in order to claim a refund. NTK ( talk) 12:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is almost totally a quotation from W.G.Hill's literature. Hill is behind the ptshamrock.com site but is not named there in any obvious way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.96.47 ( talk) 14:44, 30 September 2012 (UTC) The site www.ptclub.com criticises W.G.Hill and seems to be a different site. It is also in a different style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.96.47 ( talk) 12:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
If Perpetual traveller is the normal spelling, why does Perpetual traveller redirect to Perpetual traveler? Normally it has double-l 146.199.70.186 ( talk) 00:13, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://speculationrules.com/sovereign/pt.php. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and according to fair use may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I changed the wording "schemes" in the lead section of perpetual traveler is because in North America, the term scheme doesn't mean programme – it alludes to deception (e.g. pyramid scheme – as I'm sure most are aware). Since the idea of the PT lifestyle is already considered morally grey by some people (who view using legitimate means of avoiding obligations such as taxes to be morally bankrupt or unpatriotic), I consider that altering the word "scheme" makes it more neutral.
Also, in evaluating the sentence that my edit was a part of, it is true that some of those companies might actually market strategies that are in fact illegal. I will include that info, as well as link to the distinction between tax avoidance (legal) and tax evasion (illegal). Objections? — TARDIS builder 💬 | 08:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
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Aren't the websites given here scams or even somehow illegal (they sell passports...) ??
-Probably. I wouldn't buy anything from them. But they are informative.
Which websites given here are "scams"? I don't see any. If you know any website given in a Wikipedia article to be a scam you should flag it.
There are websites (not listed in the article) which tell people how to qualify for citizenship in various countries. There is nothing illegal in this. (For that matter, government websites of several countries explain how to qualify for citizenship.) After becoming a citizen of a country, obtaining a passport is usually straightforward.
None of the "Perpetual Traveller" material is useful to citizens of the United States, Myanmar, or Eritrea, because these three countries tax citizens regardless of where they live. All other countries tax residents only. Longitude2 ( talk) 15:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
i am african american and concerned about racism interfering with my world traverl (in the future, that is, i am 14) is it safe for black travelers in central asia aka the stans? (kazakhstan, turkmenistan, etc.)
No references. I suggest this is original research. As such it is not encyclopedic and I will remove it as per WP policy. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 08:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
This section talks about 5 flags. Where to "play" (flag #5) is certainly subject to personal taste. But it would be nice to have a top 5 list for current countries that suit the need for flags #1, #2, #3 and #4.
Flag #1 Passport and citizenship – in a country that does not tax money earned outside the country or control actions.
Flag #2 Legal residence – in a tax haven.
Flag #3 Business base – where one earns one's money, ideally somewhere with low corporate tax rates.
Flag #4 Asset haven - where one keeps one's money, ideally somewhere with low taxation of passive income and capital gains.
Is "perpetual traveler" just a politically correct phrase for the deadbeat kind of backpacker who bought a one way ticket and never really managed to get home? CloutierFan02 ( talk) 02:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
This was obvious written by someone unversed in law. In particular, this:
In fact, one can be considered a "resident" of a state or the United States for some purposes in a very short period of time. There is no one definition of "residence" or "domicile" for all purposes. Next, this is dangerously wrong because all U.S. citizens who are not exempt (usually for having very little income at all) must file tax returns annually, regardless of whether they live in the United States for any period of time. While foreign taxes are deductible and the first several hundred thousand dollars earned overseas may be excluded from taxation, a return must still be filed. Finally, anyone, even an alien, who earns income within the United States (unless, again, it is a very small amount) must still file a tax return, regardless of how little time they spend in the U.S. (Sometimes, even if they spend no time in the United States, if they earn income from there.) If it is earned in an employment setting, income taxes will be withheld anyway, so it is usually necessary to file in order to claim a refund. NTK ( talk) 12:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is almost totally a quotation from W.G.Hill's literature. Hill is behind the ptshamrock.com site but is not named there in any obvious way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.96.47 ( talk) 14:44, 30 September 2012 (UTC) The site www.ptclub.com criticises W.G.Hill and seems to be a different site. It is also in a different style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.96.47 ( talk) 12:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
If Perpetual traveller is the normal spelling, why does Perpetual traveller redirect to Perpetual traveler? Normally it has double-l 146.199.70.186 ( talk) 00:13, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://speculationrules.com/sovereign/pt.php. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and according to fair use may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I changed the wording "schemes" in the lead section of perpetual traveler is because in North America, the term scheme doesn't mean programme – it alludes to deception (e.g. pyramid scheme – as I'm sure most are aware). Since the idea of the PT lifestyle is already considered morally grey by some people (who view using legitimate means of avoiding obligations such as taxes to be morally bankrupt or unpatriotic), I consider that altering the word "scheme" makes it more neutral.
Also, in evaluating the sentence that my edit was a part of, it is true that some of those companies might actually market strategies that are in fact illegal. I will include that info, as well as link to the distinction between tax avoidance (legal) and tax evasion (illegal). Objections? — TARDIS builder 💬 | 08:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)