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this revert "22:45, 23 May 2005 Grenavitar m (rv - it is not found on the sun....)" is silly; I presume you've been to the sun to collect minerals and didn't find any?
Silly - no. Have you collected peridot on the moon? I found no source for peridot on the moon, although it is likely considering the lunar rock compositions re: olivine. Peridot is gemstone quality olivine - if you have a ref. for peridot on the moon then re-add the lunar bit. Vsmith 16:29, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Many dictionaries put the "pear-a-dot" pronunciation first, before "pear-a-doe". Some only have the "pear-a-dot" listed, for example "Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language" is very definite and lists only one form, "per' i dot'".
Most gem and jewelery tradesmen use "pear-a-doe", and some are very definite in calling the "-dot" form as incorrect. If you believe dictionaries and encyclopedias, however, you have to conclude they are being near-sighted.
Peridot was first mined in quantity in the U.S. in the area of Peridot, Arizona. The name of that town is pronounced "pear-a-dot".
Thus in the interest of accuracy, I think the pronunciation in Wikipedia should follow that of the majority of on-line dictionaries as "pear-a-dot" or "pear-a-doe", i.e., both forms should be included. Also, the IPA in the original article actually pronounces to "-dot" in contradiction to the single "-doe" form present.
I think it's a shame that the "pear-a-dot" and "pear-a-doe" notation was removed and replaced by the more esoteric but more technical and perhaps accurate " /ˈpɛərɪˌdɑt/, /ˈpɛərɪˌdɑʊ/" symbolism. This means that someone interested in the pronounciation will have to spend time and effort to learn those symbols and tediously sound the words out. Before this change, almost anyone, including young children and us old folks, would get the pronounciation at a glance. And if you're trying to make a point in the article about how it should be pronounced, I'm afraid it's completely lost to 90% of the readers now. They'll skip over the pronounciation symbols. Also, it's quite telling that in this very discussion people used "doe" and "dot" instead of "/ˈpɛərɪˌdɑt/, /ˈpɛərɪˌdɑʊ/". I think this says that the "doe-dot" is clearer and easier to use, even by you learned individuals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.211.217 ( talk) 08:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I feared that you would launch a verbosity to justify your position, which I think you just called "slightly patronizing" but I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I agree completely there's nothing "learned" about this, you just failed to recognize the sarcasm in my statement - sorry for being too subtle. I just checked five dictionaries and two encyclopedias around the house, including two from Webster, and Merriam-Webster. While they use various modifications of the alphabet, diaereses, umlauts, upside-down letter, etc., none use the more esoteric and harder to interpret IPA. Here's what the on-line American Heritage Dictionary uses: [1]. But what do they know compared to your learned and extreme expertise in this matter! They must not have taken the trouble you did to see that the general reader who comes to their compendiums will only need a few seconds to decode the IPA. That's their loss and Wikipedia's gain. You've soundly convinced me they're all wrong. So no need to lower ourselves to the level of the earlier editor and include those low class common pronounciation aids. It's just way too much trouble for the tiny bit of gain it would give us. So launch another verbosity and we'll consider the discussion ended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.211.217 ( talk) 01:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think peridot is derived from the Gk for 'gold stone'. It is the alternative name for peridot, chrysolite, not much used now, that is derived from Gk khrusos (gold) + lithos (stone). That, at least, I propose to delete. According to the OED the etymology of peridot is uncertain, also unlikely to be from the Arabic cited here. Ioan_Dyfrig ( talk) 17:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Added a MW french-derivation -- and found earlier references than MW's !!!! I'm also tracking down a 1200 English reference (I only have an 1800's translation from the Latin). Of course, this is more history than etymology. If it gets too complicated I'll break it out of etymology. Alanf777 ( talk) 05:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Removal of French etymology : it's relevant because some sources say it's a French word, and should be pronounced -OH and not -DOT. Alanf777 ( talk) 20:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I object to the deletion of almost the entire section on etymology -- with an incomplete, badly-formed entry by an unregistered user. Reverted to previous version. Do not re-delete without talking and getting consensus first. Alanf777 ( talk) 21:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I believe the Steven Universe character Peridot bears mentioning in this article, given the proportion of images in a Google search [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.21.193 ( talk) 02:31, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
References
An entry in List of colors: N–Z contained a link to this page.
The entry is :
I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries
If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 13:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Presently, this article has Pending Changes protection (set to expire 23:42, 25 October 2020 UTC). I've noticed continued test edits and attempts to re-add the In popular culture section after having already been declined. The page protection was added a month ago—early—but increasing the level of page protection will be considered if it warrants such a request.
The inclusion of fictional characters coincidentally named Peridot is outside the scope of this article. If someone disagrees with this, they are welcome open a discussion as to why the inclusion does not go against
MOS: Trivia sections § "In popular culture" and "Cultural references" material.
Christopher, Sheridan, OR (
talk)
07:53, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Intro says it is one of only two gems formed in the mantel - but what is the other one!
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 January 2020 and 7 April 2020. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Denniskuipers. Peer reviewers:
Rumbling Octopus.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 06:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
this revert "22:45, 23 May 2005 Grenavitar m (rv - it is not found on the sun....)" is silly; I presume you've been to the sun to collect minerals and didn't find any?
Silly - no. Have you collected peridot on the moon? I found no source for peridot on the moon, although it is likely considering the lunar rock compositions re: olivine. Peridot is gemstone quality olivine - if you have a ref. for peridot on the moon then re-add the lunar bit. Vsmith 16:29, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Many dictionaries put the "pear-a-dot" pronunciation first, before "pear-a-doe". Some only have the "pear-a-dot" listed, for example "Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language" is very definite and lists only one form, "per' i dot'".
Most gem and jewelery tradesmen use "pear-a-doe", and some are very definite in calling the "-dot" form as incorrect. If you believe dictionaries and encyclopedias, however, you have to conclude they are being near-sighted.
Peridot was first mined in quantity in the U.S. in the area of Peridot, Arizona. The name of that town is pronounced "pear-a-dot".
Thus in the interest of accuracy, I think the pronunciation in Wikipedia should follow that of the majority of on-line dictionaries as "pear-a-dot" or "pear-a-doe", i.e., both forms should be included. Also, the IPA in the original article actually pronounces to "-dot" in contradiction to the single "-doe" form present.
I think it's a shame that the "pear-a-dot" and "pear-a-doe" notation was removed and replaced by the more esoteric but more technical and perhaps accurate " /ˈpɛərɪˌdɑt/, /ˈpɛərɪˌdɑʊ/" symbolism. This means that someone interested in the pronounciation will have to spend time and effort to learn those symbols and tediously sound the words out. Before this change, almost anyone, including young children and us old folks, would get the pronounciation at a glance. And if you're trying to make a point in the article about how it should be pronounced, I'm afraid it's completely lost to 90% of the readers now. They'll skip over the pronounciation symbols. Also, it's quite telling that in this very discussion people used "doe" and "dot" instead of "/ˈpɛərɪˌdɑt/, /ˈpɛərɪˌdɑʊ/". I think this says that the "doe-dot" is clearer and easier to use, even by you learned individuals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.211.217 ( talk) 08:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I feared that you would launch a verbosity to justify your position, which I think you just called "slightly patronizing" but I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I agree completely there's nothing "learned" about this, you just failed to recognize the sarcasm in my statement - sorry for being too subtle. I just checked five dictionaries and two encyclopedias around the house, including two from Webster, and Merriam-Webster. While they use various modifications of the alphabet, diaereses, umlauts, upside-down letter, etc., none use the more esoteric and harder to interpret IPA. Here's what the on-line American Heritage Dictionary uses: [1]. But what do they know compared to your learned and extreme expertise in this matter! They must not have taken the trouble you did to see that the general reader who comes to their compendiums will only need a few seconds to decode the IPA. That's their loss and Wikipedia's gain. You've soundly convinced me they're all wrong. So no need to lower ourselves to the level of the earlier editor and include those low class common pronounciation aids. It's just way too much trouble for the tiny bit of gain it would give us. So launch another verbosity and we'll consider the discussion ended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.211.217 ( talk) 01:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think peridot is derived from the Gk for 'gold stone'. It is the alternative name for peridot, chrysolite, not much used now, that is derived from Gk khrusos (gold) + lithos (stone). That, at least, I propose to delete. According to the OED the etymology of peridot is uncertain, also unlikely to be from the Arabic cited here. Ioan_Dyfrig ( talk) 17:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Added a MW french-derivation -- and found earlier references than MW's !!!! I'm also tracking down a 1200 English reference (I only have an 1800's translation from the Latin). Of course, this is more history than etymology. If it gets too complicated I'll break it out of etymology. Alanf777 ( talk) 05:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Removal of French etymology : it's relevant because some sources say it's a French word, and should be pronounced -OH and not -DOT. Alanf777 ( talk) 20:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I object to the deletion of almost the entire section on etymology -- with an incomplete, badly-formed entry by an unregistered user. Reverted to previous version. Do not re-delete without talking and getting consensus first. Alanf777 ( talk) 21:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I believe the Steven Universe character Peridot bears mentioning in this article, given the proportion of images in a Google search [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.21.193 ( talk) 02:31, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
References
An entry in List of colors: N–Z contained a link to this page.
The entry is :
I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries
If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 13:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Presently, this article has Pending Changes protection (set to expire 23:42, 25 October 2020 UTC). I've noticed continued test edits and attempts to re-add the In popular culture section after having already been declined. The page protection was added a month ago—early—but increasing the level of page protection will be considered if it warrants such a request.
The inclusion of fictional characters coincidentally named Peridot is outside the scope of this article. If someone disagrees with this, they are welcome open a discussion as to why the inclusion does not go against
MOS: Trivia sections § "In popular culture" and "Cultural references" material.
Christopher, Sheridan, OR (
talk)
07:53, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Intro says it is one of only two gems formed in the mantel - but what is the other one!
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 January 2020 and 17 April 2020. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Denniskuipers (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Rumbling Octopus.
— Assignment last updated by Naeim9146 ( talk) 21:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)