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Page should be updated in light of David Grann's (most enjoyable) piece in the Sept. 19, 2005 issue of The New Yorker, "The Lost City of Z." Alas, I don't have it handy. userX 04:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hemming's remark about Fawcett being a "Nietzschean explorer" is quite inappropriate. While the intended criticism of Fawcett may in itself be fair, there is no basis at all for implying, as Hemming's words do, that Nietzsche (would have) regarded Brazilian indians as monkeys. Nor is there any reason to imply that Nietzsche was not "enlightened". Evidently neither Hemming nor the writer of the Wikipedia article is an authority on Nietzsche. It ought also to be added that attitudes such as those attributed to Fawcett were unfortunaetly extremely common in his day. Henryhearty ( talk) 03:16, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Did he say that they were monkeys or merely that they had simian characteristics? 173.72.63.199 ( talk) 00:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)Hans Wurst
"... stories of the "Lost City of Z" became the basis for [Doyle's] novel The Lost World." which was first serialised April 1912.
"Based on documentary research, Fawcett had formulated his ideas about a "Lost City of Z" in Brazil by the time of the outbreak of World War I" August 1914.
If his ideas about "The Lost City of Z" inspired The Lost World, then he must have been spreading them by the beginning of 1912.
My bet is that The Lost World (which doesn't really even have a lost city - it has a village of primitive ape-men about the same as a native South American village) was NOT based on Fawcett's theories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.138.65 ( talk) 07:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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I don't see how the word "Indian" can be used outside of the scope of quoted statements without being offensive. The real question is what is gained by using "indian" (outside of quotes) when the term refers follows from colonial perspective in order to frame indigenous peoples as lesser than Europeans. The language here should be consistent with the title of the article "Indigenous peoples in Brazil", and the use of "indian" in that article should also match it's title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdrbogart ( talk • contribs) 17:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Seconding this. I'm kinda shocked to see no one has attempted to change this, since this comment here. 104.189.5.96 ( talk) 05:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
References attributed to Misha Williams and John Hemming both seem implausible personal opinions, unsupported or contradicted by other evidence. Williams' theory that Fawcett proposed to set up a religious cult of his son has the ring of the wilder type of conspiracy theory. Hemmings appears to be driven by personal malice, and his citation is unclear. Unless we are to assume that Fawcett was a Walter-Mitty fantasist, he established good relations with the indigenous peoples and carried out significant reliable mapping of Bolivia, Brazil and Peru. There is no evidence that he caused the deaths of many people, and he condemned the barbarity of Europeans towards indigenous Americans, an attitude enlightened for his day. Contrary to Hemming's innuendo, he did not make the claim that he was Britain's 'greatest explorer' (that title perhaps belongs best to H M Stanley), which was attached to him by a publicist.
OK, these are 'referenced sources', but nowadays anyone can publish anything on the internet, no matter how implausible, contradictory, biased or scurrilous and that seems to be good enough for Wikipedia to retail it on Chrismorey ( talk) 13:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
The section on Fawcett's bones states that the indigenous elder stated the bones originally found and claimed to be Fawcett's were not. The next sentence states there is no evidence for this. But the paragraph above that states that although the bones were originally assumed to be Fawcett's, subsequent analysis confirmed that they weren't. Am I misreading this, or does this article state that there's no evidence the bones weren't Fawcett's right after it states the bones weren't Fawcett's? I don't know if it's perhaps worded in a confusing manner or if I'm misreading, or if an edit needs to be made somewhere, but it seems contradictory. JackMeraxes ( talk) 05:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
did anyone ever find percy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.124.23 ( talk) 17:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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Page should be updated in light of David Grann's (most enjoyable) piece in the Sept. 19, 2005 issue of The New Yorker, "The Lost City of Z." Alas, I don't have it handy. userX 04:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hemming's remark about Fawcett being a "Nietzschean explorer" is quite inappropriate. While the intended criticism of Fawcett may in itself be fair, there is no basis at all for implying, as Hemming's words do, that Nietzsche (would have) regarded Brazilian indians as monkeys. Nor is there any reason to imply that Nietzsche was not "enlightened". Evidently neither Hemming nor the writer of the Wikipedia article is an authority on Nietzsche. It ought also to be added that attitudes such as those attributed to Fawcett were unfortunaetly extremely common in his day. Henryhearty ( talk) 03:16, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Did he say that they were monkeys or merely that they had simian characteristics? 173.72.63.199 ( talk) 00:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)Hans Wurst
"... stories of the "Lost City of Z" became the basis for [Doyle's] novel The Lost World." which was first serialised April 1912.
"Based on documentary research, Fawcett had formulated his ideas about a "Lost City of Z" in Brazil by the time of the outbreak of World War I" August 1914.
If his ideas about "The Lost City of Z" inspired The Lost World, then he must have been spreading them by the beginning of 1912.
My bet is that The Lost World (which doesn't really even have a lost city - it has a village of primitive ape-men about the same as a native South American village) was NOT based on Fawcett's theories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.138.65 ( talk) 07:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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I don't see how the word "Indian" can be used outside of the scope of quoted statements without being offensive. The real question is what is gained by using "indian" (outside of quotes) when the term refers follows from colonial perspective in order to frame indigenous peoples as lesser than Europeans. The language here should be consistent with the title of the article "Indigenous peoples in Brazil", and the use of "indian" in that article should also match it's title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdrbogart ( talk • contribs) 17:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Seconding this. I'm kinda shocked to see no one has attempted to change this, since this comment here. 104.189.5.96 ( talk) 05:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
References attributed to Misha Williams and John Hemming both seem implausible personal opinions, unsupported or contradicted by other evidence. Williams' theory that Fawcett proposed to set up a religious cult of his son has the ring of the wilder type of conspiracy theory. Hemmings appears to be driven by personal malice, and his citation is unclear. Unless we are to assume that Fawcett was a Walter-Mitty fantasist, he established good relations with the indigenous peoples and carried out significant reliable mapping of Bolivia, Brazil and Peru. There is no evidence that he caused the deaths of many people, and he condemned the barbarity of Europeans towards indigenous Americans, an attitude enlightened for his day. Contrary to Hemming's innuendo, he did not make the claim that he was Britain's 'greatest explorer' (that title perhaps belongs best to H M Stanley), which was attached to him by a publicist.
OK, these are 'referenced sources', but nowadays anyone can publish anything on the internet, no matter how implausible, contradictory, biased or scurrilous and that seems to be good enough for Wikipedia to retail it on Chrismorey ( talk) 13:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
The section on Fawcett's bones states that the indigenous elder stated the bones originally found and claimed to be Fawcett's were not. The next sentence states there is no evidence for this. But the paragraph above that states that although the bones were originally assumed to be Fawcett's, subsequent analysis confirmed that they weren't. Am I misreading this, or does this article state that there's no evidence the bones weren't Fawcett's right after it states the bones weren't Fawcett's? I don't know if it's perhaps worded in a confusing manner or if I'm misreading, or if an edit needs to be made somewhere, but it seems contradictory. JackMeraxes ( talk) 05:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
did anyone ever find percy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.124.23 ( talk) 17:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)