This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Percussion → Percussion instrument Ensuing discussion has been removed...look in this page's history to view the discussion.
A percussion instrument can be any object which produces a sound by being struck with an implement, shaken, rubbed, scraped, or hit by any other action which sets the object into vibration. (emphasis added)
I'm not quite happy with the "by any other action which sets the object into vibration" part, because that would mean even stringed instruments and wind instruments are percussion instruments. Can we be more specific? -- FrostytheSnowman 'sup? 12:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Seems that the article lacks some complementary images. Can anybody add some? -- Pouya 19:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
This article lacks information about the history of percussion instruments. I've added a section called 'History' (because the article really needs such info) but the article will really benefit from verifiable information and proven facts about the history and development of percussion in human history. Can somebody help please? -- Regards. 20:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
User:TheScotch suggested that a discussion about Percussion Music may deserve its own stub. I agree and disagree.
Does anybody want to speckle the Category:Percussion_music on relevant articles? Regards. 01:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Plucked strings, such as the harpsichord, are percussion too, right?
Guitars, lutes, balalaikas, harps, etc., are also plucked, therefore they are percussion.
What do you think of adding that to the article?
I think it is more scientific to define 'Percussion instruments' as those which produce 'Transient sound' and they differ from 'Sustained vibration instruments' which produce 'Steady state sound'. A guitar is a string instrument but works similar to a drum - in both, the sound produced by a single excitation decays to silence. Now take the example of Violin; As the bow is steadily drawn against the string, the friction between them produce steady state vibration and sound. Therefore Percussion Instruments, eg: Drums, Tabla, Guitar etc.. Sustained Vibration instruments, eg: All bowed string instruments (like Violin, cello..), Flute etc Classification based on construction could be a different one (Like stringed, Membrane etc..). The book "Study of NonLinearity - Dynamics, The Geometry of behaviour" by Ralph H Abraham and Christopher D Shaw give a great insight into this matter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinod gm ( talk • contribs) 18:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
This criticism refers to the following section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_instrument#By_cultural_significance_or_tradition
With respect, the section on Folk Instruments, vs. common drums indicates a world view that is unfortunately rather outdated. Of course, I do not doubt the good faith and cultural well-wishes of the page writer, as, amongst non-percussionists, such a classification may seem reasonable.
However, three problems arise: Firslty, all the 'common' drums cited are those found in the predominant Anglo-Saxon tradition: consider the category of "Latin percussion" under 'folk drums'. Whilst the drum kit is probably indeed a very common type of percussion, the marching band and orchestral drums are not at all common, they are likely much rare, in terms of player populations, than the drums cited as folk drums", as opposed to those "common drums." This is particularly so with regards to the Orchestral percussion. Furthermore, most percussionists likely engage with many of the 'folk drums' more readily than some of the 'common drums'. Consider how many percussionists are likely to have Timpani in their studio, as opposed to congas, pandeiros, or a cajón. Furthermore, the claim that Marching percussion instruments are either popular or widely available throughout the world is, with respect, remarkably dubious.
Secondly, the 'folk' vs. 'common' drum dichotomy, aside from the cultural bias mentioned above, communicates a distinctly pejorative view of non-Anglo Saxon populations. I am sure this was not the author's intent, who I am sure is most culturally sensitive and tolerant – but this is not communicated in the article and it should be changed. It implies that the folk drums are strange, alien and unimportant. The word folk is perfectly acceptable. For example, the dholak would clearly be categorised in India as a folk instrument. However, when contrasted with 'common' drums then problems arise
Thirdly, the 'folk drum' category is internally flawed. This sections supposedly groups percussion instruments by cultural significance or tradition. It is thus bewildering that Tabla and Mrdangam are grouped together with the Thavil, Dholak and Dhol. The first two are mainly instruments in the two Indian Classical traditions (Hindustani music and Carnatic music, respectively). The second group are drums used in completely different contexts, in different musical genres. Thavil and Dholak are used for religious ceremonies and, particularly the dholak, bhajans (devotioinal songs). The dhol is used in social celebration situations. This is most distinctly different from the classical music tradition associated with tabla and mrdangam. Of course, tabla is becoming widespread, and occasionally is used elsewhere, but the mrdangam is still very clearly associated with the classical tradition.
What all this discussion hopefully indicates is that the section is incomplete and fails to group percussion instruments by cultural significance of tradition if it lumps these two categories of drums together.
I propose the following categorisation instead:
Drums by region and/or country. In case of overlap, a drum should be included in more than one category.
Within each regional categorisation, include different sub-categories, to indicate the cultural significance of each instrument.
An example:
'Indian subcontinent ' Classical Music (Hindustani)
Tabla
Pakhawaj
Classical Music (Carnatic)
Mrdangam
Kanjira
Ghatam
Temple Drums
Thavil
Bhajan Drums
Dholak
Folk Drums
Dholak
Dhol
Thavil
Western Classical Music
Orchestral Percussion
Timpani
Triangle
[&c...]
Western Contemporary Popular Music
Drum kit
[A note here could be added to the following effect: 'The western drum kit has become widely popular across the popular music of many different countries in the world, and may also be found in other genres such as jazz and even in some orchesral classical works.']
[I will register soon, forgive the unsigned edition..] 144.82.242.172 ( talk) 13:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Where is this class of percussion instruments? ---- CharlesGillingham ( talk) 07:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Response: Personally I'd say it'd've to be in Idiophones, I mean, cabasa is there.
There should be perhaps a classification by more common percussionists' terminology, so that it'd fit into 'shakers'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.240.38 ( talk) 14:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
== triangle == —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.53.151 ( talk) 17:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add http://www.classicalmusichomepage.com/reference/percussion-reference to an external links section? This page lists all the best online reference materials for percussion. Thanks. Ndifrancesco ( talk) 13:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
This section has several problems, starting with the mightily unsourced "This, [all electrophones require a loudspeaker] if for no other argument, is sufficient to assign electrophones to the percussion family." Bologna is one way to spell baloney.
Previous to that, the claim is made that since a loudspeaker is an idiophone, it somehow qualifies as percussion. First off, dynamic loudspeakers, the majority of speakers, work more like membranophones than idiophones. More importantly, neither they nor piezo acoustic transducers (which come closer to being describable as idiophones) are struck, but instead excited by an electrical signal.
The assertion is made that a Rhodes piano is "most often performed by percussionists" is debatable, to put it politely. Maybe a few enlightened keyboard players consider themselves percussionists, but... The assertion is also ungrammatical, but that could be more easily fixed.
I am tempted to call rubbish on the whole section and delete it, but it does mention drum machines, which mimic actual percussion. Any ideas? __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 15:28, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
This article is listed as top importance by WikiProject Musical Instruments, but there are two issues that seem to me to be critically important to clarify regarding its scope. To help addree this I've refactored the existing section below to a subsection.
The line between tuned and untuned is fuzzy, see
http://www.miayf.org/percussion/
Examples:
This topic probably could be an article on its own, or perhaps two, for tuned percussion and untuned percussion (currently both redirects here). Andrewa ( talk) 02:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
The more I think of it the more I think that articles on tuned percussion and untuned percussion are of top importance. A Category:tuned percussion and Category:untuned percussion, both subcategories of Category:percussion instruments (rather than of its parent Category:percussion), both seem good ideas as well. Andrewa ( talk) 07:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
We already have an article melodic percussion instrument and a Category:Pitched percussion. Andrewa ( talk) 19:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Moved to Category talk:Keyboard percussion#Category scope and name. Andrewa ( talk) 19:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I've attempted to clarify this [1]. But this is close to WP:OR at present. References are badly needed. Andrewa ( talk) 18:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
subsection for discussion relevant to both issues above and/or others arising
http://www.miayf.org/percussion/ has a brief and authoritative description ...Percussion instruments are conventionally divided into ‘pitched’ (such as xylophones, bells and timpani) and ‘unpitched’ instruments (such as triangles and side drums), but in fact many unpitched instruments do give a sensation of pitch or at least of being ‘high’ or ‘low’... (which needs a copyedit as later there's an unmatched parenthesis). Other online sources? A visit to a dead-tree library may be needed. Andrewa ( talk) 18:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
One of the images in the article has the caption: " Evelyn Glennie was the 20th century's first full-time percussion soloist". This is clearly false: here are a few counterexamples off the top of my head: Zakir Hussain, Alla Rakha Khan and Vikku Vinayakram. I am sure I am missing quite a few in that list. Should we remove that claim? 75.41.112.54 ( talk) 01:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Percussion is NOT specific genre or a single instrument. Percussion has over 10,000 instrument to make up its whole! It is the oldest instrument other than voices, and was used in Africa as communication between villages. (Instruments such as the djembé, the Conga, and the talking drum, were African percussion instruments used as communication or as celebration! Lilshua117 ( talk) 04:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I've put a bit of work into List of percussion instruments today, and I'm planning on doing a lot more in the near future, to make it a user friendly index to as many of the individual percussion instrument pages as possible. I'm wondering if it can be given a more prominent link on this page or the portal page. Gudzwabofer ( talk) 21:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Percussion → Percussion instrument Ensuing discussion has been removed...look in this page's history to view the discussion.
A percussion instrument can be any object which produces a sound by being struck with an implement, shaken, rubbed, scraped, or hit by any other action which sets the object into vibration. (emphasis added)
I'm not quite happy with the "by any other action which sets the object into vibration" part, because that would mean even stringed instruments and wind instruments are percussion instruments. Can we be more specific? -- FrostytheSnowman 'sup? 12:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Seems that the article lacks some complementary images. Can anybody add some? -- Pouya 19:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
This article lacks information about the history of percussion instruments. I've added a section called 'History' (because the article really needs such info) but the article will really benefit from verifiable information and proven facts about the history and development of percussion in human history. Can somebody help please? -- Regards. 20:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
User:TheScotch suggested that a discussion about Percussion Music may deserve its own stub. I agree and disagree.
Does anybody want to speckle the Category:Percussion_music on relevant articles? Regards. 01:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Plucked strings, such as the harpsichord, are percussion too, right?
Guitars, lutes, balalaikas, harps, etc., are also plucked, therefore they are percussion.
What do you think of adding that to the article?
I think it is more scientific to define 'Percussion instruments' as those which produce 'Transient sound' and they differ from 'Sustained vibration instruments' which produce 'Steady state sound'. A guitar is a string instrument but works similar to a drum - in both, the sound produced by a single excitation decays to silence. Now take the example of Violin; As the bow is steadily drawn against the string, the friction between them produce steady state vibration and sound. Therefore Percussion Instruments, eg: Drums, Tabla, Guitar etc.. Sustained Vibration instruments, eg: All bowed string instruments (like Violin, cello..), Flute etc Classification based on construction could be a different one (Like stringed, Membrane etc..). The book "Study of NonLinearity - Dynamics, The Geometry of behaviour" by Ralph H Abraham and Christopher D Shaw give a great insight into this matter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinod gm ( talk • contribs) 18:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
This criticism refers to the following section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_instrument#By_cultural_significance_or_tradition
With respect, the section on Folk Instruments, vs. common drums indicates a world view that is unfortunately rather outdated. Of course, I do not doubt the good faith and cultural well-wishes of the page writer, as, amongst non-percussionists, such a classification may seem reasonable.
However, three problems arise: Firslty, all the 'common' drums cited are those found in the predominant Anglo-Saxon tradition: consider the category of "Latin percussion" under 'folk drums'. Whilst the drum kit is probably indeed a very common type of percussion, the marching band and orchestral drums are not at all common, they are likely much rare, in terms of player populations, than the drums cited as folk drums", as opposed to those "common drums." This is particularly so with regards to the Orchestral percussion. Furthermore, most percussionists likely engage with many of the 'folk drums' more readily than some of the 'common drums'. Consider how many percussionists are likely to have Timpani in their studio, as opposed to congas, pandeiros, or a cajón. Furthermore, the claim that Marching percussion instruments are either popular or widely available throughout the world is, with respect, remarkably dubious.
Secondly, the 'folk' vs. 'common' drum dichotomy, aside from the cultural bias mentioned above, communicates a distinctly pejorative view of non-Anglo Saxon populations. I am sure this was not the author's intent, who I am sure is most culturally sensitive and tolerant – but this is not communicated in the article and it should be changed. It implies that the folk drums are strange, alien and unimportant. The word folk is perfectly acceptable. For example, the dholak would clearly be categorised in India as a folk instrument. However, when contrasted with 'common' drums then problems arise
Thirdly, the 'folk drum' category is internally flawed. This sections supposedly groups percussion instruments by cultural significance or tradition. It is thus bewildering that Tabla and Mrdangam are grouped together with the Thavil, Dholak and Dhol. The first two are mainly instruments in the two Indian Classical traditions (Hindustani music and Carnatic music, respectively). The second group are drums used in completely different contexts, in different musical genres. Thavil and Dholak are used for religious ceremonies and, particularly the dholak, bhajans (devotioinal songs). The dhol is used in social celebration situations. This is most distinctly different from the classical music tradition associated with tabla and mrdangam. Of course, tabla is becoming widespread, and occasionally is used elsewhere, but the mrdangam is still very clearly associated with the classical tradition.
What all this discussion hopefully indicates is that the section is incomplete and fails to group percussion instruments by cultural significance of tradition if it lumps these two categories of drums together.
I propose the following categorisation instead:
Drums by region and/or country. In case of overlap, a drum should be included in more than one category.
Within each regional categorisation, include different sub-categories, to indicate the cultural significance of each instrument.
An example:
'Indian subcontinent ' Classical Music (Hindustani)
Tabla
Pakhawaj
Classical Music (Carnatic)
Mrdangam
Kanjira
Ghatam
Temple Drums
Thavil
Bhajan Drums
Dholak
Folk Drums
Dholak
Dhol
Thavil
Western Classical Music
Orchestral Percussion
Timpani
Triangle
[&c...]
Western Contemporary Popular Music
Drum kit
[A note here could be added to the following effect: 'The western drum kit has become widely popular across the popular music of many different countries in the world, and may also be found in other genres such as jazz and even in some orchesral classical works.']
[I will register soon, forgive the unsigned edition..] 144.82.242.172 ( talk) 13:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Where is this class of percussion instruments? ---- CharlesGillingham ( talk) 07:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Response: Personally I'd say it'd've to be in Idiophones, I mean, cabasa is there.
There should be perhaps a classification by more common percussionists' terminology, so that it'd fit into 'shakers'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.240.38 ( talk) 14:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
== triangle == —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.53.151 ( talk) 17:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add http://www.classicalmusichomepage.com/reference/percussion-reference to an external links section? This page lists all the best online reference materials for percussion. Thanks. Ndifrancesco ( talk) 13:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
This section has several problems, starting with the mightily unsourced "This, [all electrophones require a loudspeaker] if for no other argument, is sufficient to assign electrophones to the percussion family." Bologna is one way to spell baloney.
Previous to that, the claim is made that since a loudspeaker is an idiophone, it somehow qualifies as percussion. First off, dynamic loudspeakers, the majority of speakers, work more like membranophones than idiophones. More importantly, neither they nor piezo acoustic transducers (which come closer to being describable as idiophones) are struck, but instead excited by an electrical signal.
The assertion is made that a Rhodes piano is "most often performed by percussionists" is debatable, to put it politely. Maybe a few enlightened keyboard players consider themselves percussionists, but... The assertion is also ungrammatical, but that could be more easily fixed.
I am tempted to call rubbish on the whole section and delete it, but it does mention drum machines, which mimic actual percussion. Any ideas? __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 15:28, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
This article is listed as top importance by WikiProject Musical Instruments, but there are two issues that seem to me to be critically important to clarify regarding its scope. To help addree this I've refactored the existing section below to a subsection.
The line between tuned and untuned is fuzzy, see
http://www.miayf.org/percussion/
Examples:
This topic probably could be an article on its own, or perhaps two, for tuned percussion and untuned percussion (currently both redirects here). Andrewa ( talk) 02:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
The more I think of it the more I think that articles on tuned percussion and untuned percussion are of top importance. A Category:tuned percussion and Category:untuned percussion, both subcategories of Category:percussion instruments (rather than of its parent Category:percussion), both seem good ideas as well. Andrewa ( talk) 07:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
We already have an article melodic percussion instrument and a Category:Pitched percussion. Andrewa ( talk) 19:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Moved to Category talk:Keyboard percussion#Category scope and name. Andrewa ( talk) 19:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I've attempted to clarify this [1]. But this is close to WP:OR at present. References are badly needed. Andrewa ( talk) 18:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
subsection for discussion relevant to both issues above and/or others arising
http://www.miayf.org/percussion/ has a brief and authoritative description ...Percussion instruments are conventionally divided into ‘pitched’ (such as xylophones, bells and timpani) and ‘unpitched’ instruments (such as triangles and side drums), but in fact many unpitched instruments do give a sensation of pitch or at least of being ‘high’ or ‘low’... (which needs a copyedit as later there's an unmatched parenthesis). Other online sources? A visit to a dead-tree library may be needed. Andrewa ( talk) 18:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
One of the images in the article has the caption: " Evelyn Glennie was the 20th century's first full-time percussion soloist". This is clearly false: here are a few counterexamples off the top of my head: Zakir Hussain, Alla Rakha Khan and Vikku Vinayakram. I am sure I am missing quite a few in that list. Should we remove that claim? 75.41.112.54 ( talk) 01:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Percussion is NOT specific genre or a single instrument. Percussion has over 10,000 instrument to make up its whole! It is the oldest instrument other than voices, and was used in Africa as communication between villages. (Instruments such as the djembé, the Conga, and the talking drum, were African percussion instruments used as communication or as celebration! Lilshua117 ( talk) 04:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I've put a bit of work into List of percussion instruments today, and I'm planning on doing a lot more in the near future, to make it a user friendly index to as many of the individual percussion instrument pages as possible. I'm wondering if it can be given a more prominent link on this page or the portal page. Gudzwabofer ( talk) 21:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
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