(I deleted the tag about Feature Article Candidacy on July 11, 2006) Clayoquot 06:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The last paragraph in this article contains a disputable sentence: "In Singapore, the Peranakans are classified as ethnically Chinese by government policies, and because second language instruction (so-called "Mother Tongue") is decided based on ethnicity, this requires them to learn Mandarin Chinese instead of Malay in formal education."
There's a NPOV problem with this article, based on my attempts to verify this statement. While I am not Singaporean, my spouse is, my in-laws live there, I visit there frequently, so I have plenty of opportunities to ask questions. They tell me they know Chinese students who learn Malay, or Malay and Indian who learn Chinese as a 2nd language. Based on this admittedly empirical evidence, I doubt the Singapore government mandates a specific 2nd language based on bureaucratically perceived ethnicity. Can someone cite a regulation verifying the disputed statement as fact? Amatulic 00:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[Don't forget your race in Singapore is defined by the race of your father. So if a Malay man marries a Chinese woman, their children will be Malay. But if the father's sister marries the wife's brother, the cousins will be considered Chinese. ]
This article should be removed as a "featured article" candidate until the following NPOV problems are addressed in the last paragraph:
Amatulic 04:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
was Hang Li Poh really a daughter of the Chinese emperor, or was she just a daughter of an influential Chinese merchant as some claimed?
there is absolutely no Ming dynasty records of the bethrohal of a chinese princess to a malay sultan.
would the chinese emperor actually present his daughter to the head of a tiny protecteorate of his?
It completely ignores the fact that the Peranakan are of mixed ancestry: part Chinese, part Malay and part descended from the (non-Malay) original inhabitants of Singapore Island. In other words, they are not Chinese who betrayed their Chinese heritage, or any rubbish like that. See, for example, http://www.colorq.org/MeltingPot/Asia/Peranakan.htm.
A revision is very much in order.
Ojevindlang 21:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
This is a term coined by the Chinese themselves. It has no connotation in modern or archiac Indonesian or Javanese as being anything other than "descendent". The term can be used for any kind of decedent- for example peranakan Belanda, peranakan Madura. Secondly, "baba" is not Melayu or Indonesian, it is Arabic- fromthe most vulgar level of market speech. The Indonesian and Malaysian term is asli. I shall amend the article to reflect these linguistic accuracies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starstylers ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I argue the User:Starstylers) edit is the superior of the two versions. It was reverted by User:Kulikah who cited a form of Ad_hominen argument referring to past infractions which have no history of repetition. I argue the original article was not nuetral as per WP:NPOV and WP:NEU. The original article was also WP:V, WP:VERIFY/ WP:SOURCE. Thus the original unreferenced version could be argued as WP:OR, WP:NOR. It had NO references from any text and relied on website references. Thus it did not adhere to WP:RS, WP:RELY, WP:RELIABLE. I am more than pleased to resolve any contentious issues via mutual discussion, and consensus in the spirit of WP:CON, WP:CONS. I think we all can work together to write a noteworthy article, that perhaps feature one day. PS- I was not the one who wrote about Racialism- that was another user- you can see above- it was just my sloppy wiki syntax Starstylers ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC).
On one hand, it says Peranakan order bride from China but at the same time, it is also said Peranankan have Malay blood in them since they marry local native women in Malaysia. This is contradicting. So does Peranakan mostly have more Chinese blood or Malay blood? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu ( talk • contribs) 08:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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(I deleted the tag about Feature Article Candidacy on July 11, 2006) Clayoquot 06:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The last paragraph in this article contains a disputable sentence: "In Singapore, the Peranakans are classified as ethnically Chinese by government policies, and because second language instruction (so-called "Mother Tongue") is decided based on ethnicity, this requires them to learn Mandarin Chinese instead of Malay in formal education."
There's a NPOV problem with this article, based on my attempts to verify this statement. While I am not Singaporean, my spouse is, my in-laws live there, I visit there frequently, so I have plenty of opportunities to ask questions. They tell me they know Chinese students who learn Malay, or Malay and Indian who learn Chinese as a 2nd language. Based on this admittedly empirical evidence, I doubt the Singapore government mandates a specific 2nd language based on bureaucratically perceived ethnicity. Can someone cite a regulation verifying the disputed statement as fact? Amatulic 00:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[Don't forget your race in Singapore is defined by the race of your father. So if a Malay man marries a Chinese woman, their children will be Malay. But if the father's sister marries the wife's brother, the cousins will be considered Chinese. ]
This article should be removed as a "featured article" candidate until the following NPOV problems are addressed in the last paragraph:
Amatulic 04:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
was Hang Li Poh really a daughter of the Chinese emperor, or was she just a daughter of an influential Chinese merchant as some claimed?
there is absolutely no Ming dynasty records of the bethrohal of a chinese princess to a malay sultan.
would the chinese emperor actually present his daughter to the head of a tiny protecteorate of his?
It completely ignores the fact that the Peranakan are of mixed ancestry: part Chinese, part Malay and part descended from the (non-Malay) original inhabitants of Singapore Island. In other words, they are not Chinese who betrayed their Chinese heritage, or any rubbish like that. See, for example, http://www.colorq.org/MeltingPot/Asia/Peranakan.htm.
A revision is very much in order.
Ojevindlang 21:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
This is a term coined by the Chinese themselves. It has no connotation in modern or archiac Indonesian or Javanese as being anything other than "descendent". The term can be used for any kind of decedent- for example peranakan Belanda, peranakan Madura. Secondly, "baba" is not Melayu or Indonesian, it is Arabic- fromthe most vulgar level of market speech. The Indonesian and Malaysian term is asli. I shall amend the article to reflect these linguistic accuracies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starstylers ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I argue the User:Starstylers) edit is the superior of the two versions. It was reverted by User:Kulikah who cited a form of Ad_hominen argument referring to past infractions which have no history of repetition. I argue the original article was not nuetral as per WP:NPOV and WP:NEU. The original article was also WP:V, WP:VERIFY/ WP:SOURCE. Thus the original unreferenced version could be argued as WP:OR, WP:NOR. It had NO references from any text and relied on website references. Thus it did not adhere to WP:RS, WP:RELY, WP:RELIABLE. I am more than pleased to resolve any contentious issues via mutual discussion, and consensus in the spirit of WP:CON, WP:CONS. I think we all can work together to write a noteworthy article, that perhaps feature one day. PS- I was not the one who wrote about Racialism- that was another user- you can see above- it was just my sloppy wiki syntax Starstylers ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC).
On one hand, it says Peranakan order bride from China but at the same time, it is also said Peranankan have Malay blood in them since they marry local native women in Malaysia. This is contradicting. So does Peranakan mostly have more Chinese blood or Malay blood? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanghaiWu ( talk • contribs) 08:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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