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I say, my good fellow, would thou wager a shinny dime against my penny-farthing in a gentleman game of change? -Alfred Nickleworth
Sorry to be anal-retentive, but this article is at penny-farthing with a redirect from ordinary_bicycle; this is the wrong way round. As the article says, penny-farthing is a colloquialism - and in any case applies mainly to the racing high-wheeler with a particularly large front wheel. Just zis Guy, you know? 15:38, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 12:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Why is there a trivia section in this article? The "trivia" should either be removed or integrated into the article, in my opinion. Encyclopedic articles do not have trivia sections. If information is not important enough to be integrated into the article, then it has no place in the article. Heavy Metal Cellist talk contribs
"Although very stable because of the pendulum effect..." huh? This needs clarification. Is perhaps gyroscopic effect what is meant? Pjbflynn 06:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
A broken chord is not a chord. An inverted pendulum is not a pendulum. Never leave out the the "inverted" in "inverted pendulum".
The problem with small wheeels and no castor is that the rider had to ride a combined inverted pendulum with gyroscopic forces that inhibit steering, and then feed back into "speed wobble" ..instability at speed.
So riding slowly, one can ride the inverted pendulum . When riding the penny farthing, one had to slow down to inverted pendulum speeds to turn, and then one had to be a master at inverted pendulum riding to achieve the turn.
Attempting to overcome gyrscopic force of the penny farthing front wheel while moving at speed was not possible, as the small and lightly loaded rear wheel would not grip and so would not provide enough torque. The small wheel would bounce along and provide very little torque.
The penny farthing got the large front wheel because the older castor deficient design did not have signficant castor, and were hard to pedal as the pedal 'plane' rotated compared to the rider (a real pain in the legs !)
The safety bike gave the much more leg friendly pedal arrangement , plus the castor on the front wheel removed the problems with turning , stability at speed and feed back to the rider. The better pedal arrangement of the safety bike gave the rider better ability to do the "inverted pendulum" control at slow speeds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.92.40.8 ( talk) 12:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I was curious to know what materials the ordinary was made of, especially the tires, but there doesn't appear to be any info about design and manufacturing. Can anyone fill in the blanks? (no account) 19:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice to have a photo of a penny and a farthing of the day to get a sense of how accurate the name is. —Ben FrantzDale 02:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Can't do you to the day, however these coins are of simmilar configuration as those which would have circulated at the time -- Delta-NC ( talk) 19:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
"Given the absence of a stabilising steering system, larger and larger wheels were built with the intention of increasing stability at speed. The classically oversized penny-farthing wheel, which measured 1.5m (60") in diameter resulted in such large gyroscopic force that it was stable without a caster steering system."
I think the line in the first sentence that this is the "first true bicycle" should be deleted. It's a forerunner to the modern bicycle, but no more than the earlier Velocipede, which in many ways has more of a resemblance to a modern bicycle. -- Lester 03:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
The text on the Peugeot Fans Club web site appears to be a word for word copy of an old version of this page. No sense referencing that page for anything. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 22:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't seem very likely... Snori ( talk) 04:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
In two separate places the article claims that riders would put their feet on the handlebars when going downhill. In the first place it's to ensure that the rider is thrown feet-first, and later it claims that it was for increased speed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.98.171.2 ( talk) 21:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
The major place I remember seeing this and how I found this page was by trying to figure out what that big bike in Tarzan (the disney movie version) was. Apparently it was this. Can someone officially add it, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.48.122.198 ( talk) 20:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The lede is ridiculously over-referenced. Citations don't even need to be placed here. See WP:LEAD. Hohenloh + 00:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
This article mentions the word "header" about four times but never explains what it means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4100:5C6E:5594:50AD:23A5:E123 ( talk) 00:19, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
The word "header" is used as though it were the best way to describe falling off a bicycle head-first, however it's a word with a fairly narrow colloquial meaning, and should be replaced. Landroo ( talk) 22:28, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
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I'm a little disappointed by the net effect of this. I did think carefully about what figures to keep in Imperial measure; eg, the references to 18-inch wheels and the 64-inch Columbia, which one can reasonably say were actual engineering measures as mentioned in WP:UNIT.
Of the figures reverted by this edit:
The weights are arguable. I suppose they may be manufacturers' listed weights and if so could stay Imperial-first.
Neither the measurement of the saddle's position nor the 60in maximum wheel size are ironclad figures from the 19th century (indeed, I deliberately changed "60in" to "5ft" to estimate this practical maximum was approximate). These figures are not "drawn up" in the sense of WP:UNIT.
We are not interested in the height of the statue from an engineering point of view. There is absolutely no need to mention its height in obsolete units first.
Summerfield's 2008 ride was in no sense "in Imperial".
Hence absent any reply I propose to restore "order=flip" to all but the listed bicycle weights. Pinkbeast ( talk) 16:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
there are new hour records on penny-farthings set very recently and approved by Guinness. 33865km 34547km [2]
Also it seems that pennys are still produced today, but are made with modern materials. It should be included in the article. Setenzatsu.2 ( talk) 11:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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I say, my good fellow, would thou wager a shinny dime against my penny-farthing in a gentleman game of change? -Alfred Nickleworth
Sorry to be anal-retentive, but this article is at penny-farthing with a redirect from ordinary_bicycle; this is the wrong way round. As the article says, penny-farthing is a colloquialism - and in any case applies mainly to the racing high-wheeler with a particularly large front wheel. Just zis Guy, you know? 15:38, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 12:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Why is there a trivia section in this article? The "trivia" should either be removed or integrated into the article, in my opinion. Encyclopedic articles do not have trivia sections. If information is not important enough to be integrated into the article, then it has no place in the article. Heavy Metal Cellist talk contribs
"Although very stable because of the pendulum effect..." huh? This needs clarification. Is perhaps gyroscopic effect what is meant? Pjbflynn 06:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
A broken chord is not a chord. An inverted pendulum is not a pendulum. Never leave out the the "inverted" in "inverted pendulum".
The problem with small wheeels and no castor is that the rider had to ride a combined inverted pendulum with gyroscopic forces that inhibit steering, and then feed back into "speed wobble" ..instability at speed.
So riding slowly, one can ride the inverted pendulum . When riding the penny farthing, one had to slow down to inverted pendulum speeds to turn, and then one had to be a master at inverted pendulum riding to achieve the turn.
Attempting to overcome gyrscopic force of the penny farthing front wheel while moving at speed was not possible, as the small and lightly loaded rear wheel would not grip and so would not provide enough torque. The small wheel would bounce along and provide very little torque.
The penny farthing got the large front wheel because the older castor deficient design did not have signficant castor, and were hard to pedal as the pedal 'plane' rotated compared to the rider (a real pain in the legs !)
The safety bike gave the much more leg friendly pedal arrangement , plus the castor on the front wheel removed the problems with turning , stability at speed and feed back to the rider. The better pedal arrangement of the safety bike gave the rider better ability to do the "inverted pendulum" control at slow speeds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.92.40.8 ( talk) 12:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I was curious to know what materials the ordinary was made of, especially the tires, but there doesn't appear to be any info about design and manufacturing. Can anyone fill in the blanks? (no account) 19:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice to have a photo of a penny and a farthing of the day to get a sense of how accurate the name is. —Ben FrantzDale 02:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Can't do you to the day, however these coins are of simmilar configuration as those which would have circulated at the time -- Delta-NC ( talk) 19:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
"Given the absence of a stabilising steering system, larger and larger wheels were built with the intention of increasing stability at speed. The classically oversized penny-farthing wheel, which measured 1.5m (60") in diameter resulted in such large gyroscopic force that it was stable without a caster steering system."
I think the line in the first sentence that this is the "first true bicycle" should be deleted. It's a forerunner to the modern bicycle, but no more than the earlier Velocipede, which in many ways has more of a resemblance to a modern bicycle. -- Lester 03:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
The text on the Peugeot Fans Club web site appears to be a word for word copy of an old version of this page. No sense referencing that page for anything. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 22:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't seem very likely... Snori ( talk) 04:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
In two separate places the article claims that riders would put their feet on the handlebars when going downhill. In the first place it's to ensure that the rider is thrown feet-first, and later it claims that it was for increased speed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.98.171.2 ( talk) 21:20, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
The major place I remember seeing this and how I found this page was by trying to figure out what that big bike in Tarzan (the disney movie version) was. Apparently it was this. Can someone officially add it, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.48.122.198 ( talk) 20:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The lede is ridiculously over-referenced. Citations don't even need to be placed here. See WP:LEAD. Hohenloh + 00:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
This article mentions the word "header" about four times but never explains what it means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4100:5C6E:5594:50AD:23A5:E123 ( talk) 00:19, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
The word "header" is used as though it were the best way to describe falling off a bicycle head-first, however it's a word with a fairly narrow colloquial meaning, and should be replaced. Landroo ( talk) 22:28, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Penny-farthing. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{ Sourcecheck}}).
An editor has reviewed this edit and fixed any errors that were found.
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 01:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm a little disappointed by the net effect of this. I did think carefully about what figures to keep in Imperial measure; eg, the references to 18-inch wheels and the 64-inch Columbia, which one can reasonably say were actual engineering measures as mentioned in WP:UNIT.
Of the figures reverted by this edit:
The weights are arguable. I suppose they may be manufacturers' listed weights and if so could stay Imperial-first.
Neither the measurement of the saddle's position nor the 60in maximum wheel size are ironclad figures from the 19th century (indeed, I deliberately changed "60in" to "5ft" to estimate this practical maximum was approximate). These figures are not "drawn up" in the sense of WP:UNIT.
We are not interested in the height of the statue from an engineering point of view. There is absolutely no need to mention its height in obsolete units first.
Summerfield's 2008 ride was in no sense "in Imperial".
Hence absent any reply I propose to restore "order=flip" to all but the listed bicycle weights. Pinkbeast ( talk) 16:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
there are new hour records on penny-farthings set very recently and approved by Guinness. 33865km 34547km [2]
Also it seems that pennys are still produced today, but are made with modern materials. It should be included in the article. Setenzatsu.2 ( talk) 11:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)