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I have seen similarity between Pennines and Apennines, too, and also have read #Name section here about interesting "ancient source" The Description of Britain forgery.
So I looked a bit in etymology of Apenines. What was unexpected to me (I expected latin/etruscan-indoeuropean... connection) is, that by Italian Apenines article's most frequent explanation for italian Apenini is that A-penn-ini montes is supposed to be derived from Celtic penn - meananing top of ones head, but also top of a mountain, summit.
Wiktionary doesnt't have anything on that Pennini/Appenini etymology (yet). But etimonline agrees:
That way, plural could also be understood as a string of mountain tops, a mountain chain.
But that pattern fits to Apennines and Pennines both, and RomanH Brittania was also heavily populated by Celts. Well, until/unless somebody finds a credible source for British Penines this's just a riddle to gnaw on and amuse oneself (and exercise one's brain), not an answer to put in WP article. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 17:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Previous section was written as New section, and published after several hours of other work (that included communication testing and browser, possible even OS restart(s)). When intended section was reviewed, no anomaly manifested, but when published I found complete previous contents of talk page was replaced by new section, instead of new section be appended at end of previous discussions.
I extracted text of new section, reverted missaved page and am now both again adding section (with saving of which problem manifested), and description of the problem and my action after it. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 17:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
I suggest include the GPS link of the Pennies. -- BoldLuis ( talk) 09:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm aware this is a topic that has been discussed multiple times in this talk page (as the archive demonstrates, mentioning Stoke-on-Trent as one end and Derby as another) but I just thought I'd raise this point in response to some recent edits to the lead of this page done by both me and A.D.Hope. I definitely think mentioning the Staffordshire Moorlands in the lead as being the southernmost foothills of the range is a bit ambiguous. This is because the name mainly refers to an administrative district in Staffordshire rather than a specific terrain area which is mostly secondary not to mention that the terrain there is hardly moorland despite the name. I would also point out that the foothills don't just extend into Staffordshire (the foothills definitely do end around the Trent even in Staffordshire and Stoke is pretty much in the foothills), it also extends into southern Derbyshire at least up to Derby near the Trent Valley (the reason I've mentioned it in the lead, as it flows around the range's southern end), which is a bit further south than the Staffordshire Moorlands area (whenever I've driven into the hilly terrain northwards from Derby, especially on the A38 road, I always feel like I'm in the foothills of the Pennines), and is more consistent with the Geography section in the article. I definitely think the range of the Pennines (or at least its southernmost foothills) do end roughly at or near the valley of the River Trent (Stoke is along the valley while Derby is near it) so I'd say its more of a point of reference to mention than say just Staffordshire, Derbyshire or the Staffordshire Moorlands district as it is comparable to mentioning the Tyne Gap for the range's northern end. Broman178 ( talk) 15:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
The pennines are located from North West England,Yorkshire,to North east England.The pennines also go through:Leeds,Greater Manchester,Shefield and Hull. 2A02:C7C:EE27:B400:8C33:8A5A:6568:8561 ( talk) 12:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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I have seen similarity between Pennines and Apennines, too, and also have read #Name section here about interesting "ancient source" The Description of Britain forgery.
So I looked a bit in etymology of Apenines. What was unexpected to me (I expected latin/etruscan-indoeuropean... connection) is, that by Italian Apenines article's most frequent explanation for italian Apenini is that A-penn-ini montes is supposed to be derived from Celtic penn - meananing top of ones head, but also top of a mountain, summit.
Wiktionary doesnt't have anything on that Pennini/Appenini etymology (yet). But etimonline agrees:
That way, plural could also be understood as a string of mountain tops, a mountain chain.
But that pattern fits to Apennines and Pennines both, and RomanH Brittania was also heavily populated by Celts. Well, until/unless somebody finds a credible source for British Penines this's just a riddle to gnaw on and amuse oneself (and exercise one's brain), not an answer to put in WP article. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 17:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Previous section was written as New section, and published after several hours of other work (that included communication testing and browser, possible even OS restart(s)). When intended section was reviewed, no anomaly manifested, but when published I found complete previous contents of talk page was replaced by new section, instead of new section be appended at end of previous discussions.
I extracted text of new section, reverted missaved page and am now both again adding section (with saving of which problem manifested), and description of the problem and my action after it. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 17:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
I suggest include the GPS link of the Pennies. -- BoldLuis ( talk) 09:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm aware this is a topic that has been discussed multiple times in this talk page (as the archive demonstrates, mentioning Stoke-on-Trent as one end and Derby as another) but I just thought I'd raise this point in response to some recent edits to the lead of this page done by both me and A.D.Hope. I definitely think mentioning the Staffordshire Moorlands in the lead as being the southernmost foothills of the range is a bit ambiguous. This is because the name mainly refers to an administrative district in Staffordshire rather than a specific terrain area which is mostly secondary not to mention that the terrain there is hardly moorland despite the name. I would also point out that the foothills don't just extend into Staffordshire (the foothills definitely do end around the Trent even in Staffordshire and Stoke is pretty much in the foothills), it also extends into southern Derbyshire at least up to Derby near the Trent Valley (the reason I've mentioned it in the lead, as it flows around the range's southern end), which is a bit further south than the Staffordshire Moorlands area (whenever I've driven into the hilly terrain northwards from Derby, especially on the A38 road, I always feel like I'm in the foothills of the Pennines), and is more consistent with the Geography section in the article. I definitely think the range of the Pennines (or at least its southernmost foothills) do end roughly at or near the valley of the River Trent (Stoke is along the valley while Derby is near it) so I'd say its more of a point of reference to mention than say just Staffordshire, Derbyshire or the Staffordshire Moorlands district as it is comparable to mentioning the Tyne Gap for the range's northern end. Broman178 ( talk) 15:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
The pennines are located from North West England,Yorkshire,to North east England.The pennines also go through:Leeds,Greater Manchester,Shefield and Hull. 2A02:C7C:EE27:B400:8C33:8A5A:6568:8561 ( talk) 12:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)