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LOL...Penarth lovely??? The image that immediately springs to my mind after 25 years of being away from the town was the period during the 1970s when some bright wag added graffito to the sign on the edge of town, so that it read ' Welcome to Penarth - the last resort' 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 07:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
18 February 2008 I am more than a little stunned by the reference to the (soon to be demolished) 'Billybanks' development being named after its builder's foreman. To my recollection the bank, upon which the 1960s housing block was built, was known locally as the Bilibanks way way before the building was even conceived. My father and grandfather both told me that it was a shortened version of the Bilberry Banks and had been named after the 'Bilberry' (or blueberry) bushes that grew there naturally on the slopes from pre-Victorian times and were annually raided for the berries by local residents to make fruit pies each autumn. I remember as a child standing amoung the bushes with metal bowls, helping my mother and grandmother harvesting the sticky fruit. Are there any older Penarth residents that can confirm this? Or is there any actual written provenence for this rather peculiar and unlikely 'named after foreman William Banks' story? 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 16:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I have removed several paragraphs of information relating to Cogan Coronation. It was full of 'Point of View', flowery 'peacock words' and unsubstantiated statements, none of which had any references. It was written in a style totally unsuited to wikipedia and would be more suited on the teams own website. 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 17:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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Old Cogan Church is noted as being "generally believed to be a saxon church". Is this St Peter's? I didn't know the Saxons settled in Penarth. There's no mention of it in the History section - and it's pretty notable. Does anyone have a source for that? I couldn't find anything on Google. Cheers, Daicaregos ( talk) 11:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
This whole section as it stands is almost laughably POV, full of random uncited statements and namechecks - even apart from the fact that most of it has precious little to do with 'economy' as it is generally understood.
"Shoppers are finally being lured back to the town centre, but although local politicians of all parties have been keen to claim the credit for this, it is more likely to be due to the application of local traders and a general civic pride."
"A local delicatessen owner, Mrs Sian Fox, won the 2008 Vale businesswoman of the year award."
"The town centre also serves Penarth's many retired residents with a variety of high quality cafes and coffee houses."
"...contributing to Penarth being established as a fair trade town after an initiative by previous mayor Councillor Mark Wilson..."
"...the chair, Councillor Mark Wilson, expressed determination to consult with many interested groups..."
"However, despite town centre improvements, the past thirty years has seen many attractive and imposing seafront Victorian hotels and houses demolished in favour of bland 1960s and 1970s style apartment blocks."
"Many of the town's residents and prominent developers have voiced frustration and anger at the apparent neglect of the seafront area and steer much criticism for this at the Conservative-controlled Vale of Glamorgan local authority..."
Needs sorting out! Draggleduck ( talk) 04:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I grew up in Penarth and was very pleased to read the entry, telling me several things I was unaware of (like the abandoned Normandy landing barges on dock beach). The quote about Penarth having the second highest tide range in the world is not how I remember it - it was the Bay of Fundy first and Barry Dock (a couple of miles down river) second. I do not have any facts to quote and the citation given is not explicit. Ppeetteerr ( talk) 08:29, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
There's evidently been a lot of work put into building this article, on an important town in Glamorgan. But I think it will be well wort spending some time tidying it up, creating some balance to the sections and improving the inline citations.
A major problem, in my view, is the enormous section on World War 2 in Penarth. This seems completely disproportionate and largely (if not exclusively) drawn from first hand accounts of war veterans on the BBC website. This would constitute first hand research and (on this scale in particular) contravene the guidelines and purpose of Wikipedia. I would strongly suggest this section is edited and concentrates only on notable, verifiable key events.
Less important but still worth doing, would recommend the citations are expanded to describe them better (where, who, what, when, when viewed). Some of them are to dubious sources (e.g. student work) others are outdated or don't verify the facts.
As you can see, I've added a section on the pier - it seems to be one of the most notable things about Penarth but almost nothing about it in the article at the moment.
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Unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary, I suggest a single sentence is retained from each of the paragraphs on World War 2 in Penarth. It seems all of the section is taken (often direct quotes) from the BBC archive project of WW2 veterans' memories - this can almost certainly be described as first hand evidence therefore not appropriate for Wikipedia. Some other info is uncited and could be original research by the author of this section.
A large amount of the information is wordy, in an essay style and wholy un-notable. For example, almost every town in southern Britain had a Home Guard and had to dismantle its wrought iron fittings for scrap. There are a few snippets of interesting info that could be retained (especially as an excuse to retain the section's photos), for example the air raids from 1941, the RA stationed on Flatholm, the local yachtsmen taking part in Dunkirk, the bombing of the church... To be honest, I visited the Central Library yesterday and couldn't find anything on WW2 in Penarth (in fact more was said of WW1). There are no authoritative references online either.
In effect, if the section on 'Notable people' can be reduced to a small paragraph, the same rule is even more applicable to the Wartime section. — Preceding
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A decade on from earlier concerns being raised about POV, flowery language, uncited material, trivia and way too much anecdote and local "lore", this article still needs a hell of an overhaul. It really isn't a B class article. As part of some work on the Cadw/ICOMOS Register of Parks and Gardens of Special Historic Interest in Wales, I've added a small section on Urban parks, as Penarth has three on the register. If anyone has the time/inclination, what would be better is to have separate articles, or maybe one on Penarth parks? KJP1 ( talk) 18:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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LOL...Penarth lovely??? The image that immediately springs to my mind after 25 years of being away from the town was the period during the 1970s when some bright wag added graffito to the sign on the edge of town, so that it read ' Welcome to Penarth - the last resort' 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 07:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
18 February 2008 I am more than a little stunned by the reference to the (soon to be demolished) 'Billybanks' development being named after its builder's foreman. To my recollection the bank, upon which the 1960s housing block was built, was known locally as the Bilibanks way way before the building was even conceived. My father and grandfather both told me that it was a shortened version of the Bilberry Banks and had been named after the 'Bilberry' (or blueberry) bushes that grew there naturally on the slopes from pre-Victorian times and were annually raided for the berries by local residents to make fruit pies each autumn. I remember as a child standing amoung the bushes with metal bowls, helping my mother and grandmother harvesting the sticky fruit. Are there any older Penarth residents that can confirm this? Or is there any actual written provenence for this rather peculiar and unlikely 'named after foreman William Banks' story? 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 16:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I have removed several paragraphs of information relating to Cogan Coronation. It was full of 'Point of View', flowery 'peacock words' and unsubstantiated statements, none of which had any references. It was written in a style totally unsuited to wikipedia and would be more suited on the teams own website. 21stCenturyGreenstuff ( talk) 17:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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Old Cogan Church is noted as being "generally believed to be a saxon church". Is this St Peter's? I didn't know the Saxons settled in Penarth. There's no mention of it in the History section - and it's pretty notable. Does anyone have a source for that? I couldn't find anything on Google. Cheers, Daicaregos ( talk) 11:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
This whole section as it stands is almost laughably POV, full of random uncited statements and namechecks - even apart from the fact that most of it has precious little to do with 'economy' as it is generally understood.
"Shoppers are finally being lured back to the town centre, but although local politicians of all parties have been keen to claim the credit for this, it is more likely to be due to the application of local traders and a general civic pride."
"A local delicatessen owner, Mrs Sian Fox, won the 2008 Vale businesswoman of the year award."
"The town centre also serves Penarth's many retired residents with a variety of high quality cafes and coffee houses."
"...contributing to Penarth being established as a fair trade town after an initiative by previous mayor Councillor Mark Wilson..."
"...the chair, Councillor Mark Wilson, expressed determination to consult with many interested groups..."
"However, despite town centre improvements, the past thirty years has seen many attractive and imposing seafront Victorian hotels and houses demolished in favour of bland 1960s and 1970s style apartment blocks."
"Many of the town's residents and prominent developers have voiced frustration and anger at the apparent neglect of the seafront area and steer much criticism for this at the Conservative-controlled Vale of Glamorgan local authority..."
Needs sorting out! Draggleduck ( talk) 04:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I grew up in Penarth and was very pleased to read the entry, telling me several things I was unaware of (like the abandoned Normandy landing barges on dock beach). The quote about Penarth having the second highest tide range in the world is not how I remember it - it was the Bay of Fundy first and Barry Dock (a couple of miles down river) second. I do not have any facts to quote and the citation given is not explicit. Ppeetteerr ( talk) 08:29, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
There's evidently been a lot of work put into building this article, on an important town in Glamorgan. But I think it will be well wort spending some time tidying it up, creating some balance to the sections and improving the inline citations.
A major problem, in my view, is the enormous section on World War 2 in Penarth. This seems completely disproportionate and largely (if not exclusively) drawn from first hand accounts of war veterans on the BBC website. This would constitute first hand research and (on this scale in particular) contravene the guidelines and purpose of Wikipedia. I would strongly suggest this section is edited and concentrates only on notable, verifiable key events.
Less important but still worth doing, would recommend the citations are expanded to describe them better (where, who, what, when, when viewed). Some of them are to dubious sources (e.g. student work) others are outdated or don't verify the facts.
As you can see, I've added a section on the pier - it seems to be one of the most notable things about Penarth but almost nothing about it in the article at the moment.
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22:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary, I suggest a single sentence is retained from each of the paragraphs on World War 2 in Penarth. It seems all of the section is taken (often direct quotes) from the BBC archive project of WW2 veterans' memories - this can almost certainly be described as first hand evidence therefore not appropriate for Wikipedia. Some other info is uncited and could be original research by the author of this section.
A large amount of the information is wordy, in an essay style and wholy un-notable. For example, almost every town in southern Britain had a Home Guard and had to dismantle its wrought iron fittings for scrap. There are a few snippets of interesting info that could be retained (especially as an excuse to retain the section's photos), for example the air raids from 1941, the RA stationed on Flatholm, the local yachtsmen taking part in Dunkirk, the bombing of the church... To be honest, I visited the Central Library yesterday and couldn't find anything on WW2 in Penarth (in fact more was said of WW1). There are no authoritative references online either.
In effect, if the section on 'Notable people' can be reduced to a small paragraph, the same rule is even more applicable to the Wartime section. — Preceding
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A decade on from earlier concerns being raised about POV, flowery language, uncited material, trivia and way too much anecdote and local "lore", this article still needs a hell of an overhaul. It really isn't a B class article. As part of some work on the Cadw/ICOMOS Register of Parks and Gardens of Special Historic Interest in Wales, I've added a small section on Urban parks, as Penarth has three on the register. If anyone has the time/inclination, what would be better is to have separate articles, or maybe one on Penarth parks? KJP1 ( talk) 18:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)