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I've done some general clean up of the article, and also added the standard city "info box". I was forced to move the two images to the bottom of the page because they messed with the text alignment after I added the info box. The only way to fix that is to have enough information on the page that the text extends past the bottom of the info box. Hopefully in the future as I add more information the article will expand and the images can be integrated back into the main body of the article. -- The Lone Bard 04:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
How much of this is even relevant? As far as I know none of the listed TV channels are actually IN Pembroke, and the only radio station in Pembroke is Star 69. I'm considering deleting all mention of Pembroke "media" other than Star 69 and Pembroke Observer. -- The Lone Bard 14:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I've readded info on cavity greg that was removed. Since its removal was not justified.-- Matt D 23:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I am from the pembroke area and I found the link to pembroke sucks usefull and interesting. It is as far as I know the only forum dedicated to pembroke and the pembroke area. I say: as far as policy is concerned, coming on here everyday to remove a link that walks the line between usefull and not usefull is imho a little excesive. I understand that the people who run pembroke sucks also don't seem to know when enough is enough (I myself have removed large adds for their site from the pembroke article) and they should get the hint (like.. you don't own this site, and technically your link shouldn't be here. So why do you think it is somehow your right to post it?)but really.... its a link... its not even in the main body of the article. This is not a gateway to some larger problem. Let it go. stop being a link nazi. and stop posting your link where its not welcome. This is not one of the articles where links are used to support points of view (like on, i don't know, white power sites) so whats the big deal? -- Matt D 17:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
“This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Oak Ridges Moraine, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Mindmatrix 14:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)”
Fair enough, will use another IP then. This then is your last warning;. stop editing the local links to Pembroke Websites. These are legitimate venues for freedom of speech for the Pembroke and surrounding area. And, as such, visitors would find them just as informative as Pembroke City Hall’s non interactive site. Ottawa Valley Online as a matter of fact, reports locaI news that is often later picked up by the Observer.
You seem to have taken editing out the links on this page as your pet project, even bringing in a higher admin to help. While not adverse to having people such as yourself coming by from time to time to cull garbage out, I find nothing wrong with the sites listed, as they certainly provide a ‘look and feel’ to the town of Pembroke that cannot be found on any information page. If you feel the need to continue revising back to your standard, get used to having your work being revised to ours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.223.62.253 ( talk • contribs)
Since a few people seem to believe my actions to remove three external links are wrong, I'd like to open a discussion about it. Please note that Wikipedia has a policy about external links. Your discussion about the inclusion of these links should be made with consideration to that policy.
The links in question are:
Do we keep any of these; if so, which ones, and why. This is not a vote; inclusion will be based on merit and consensus only. Mind matrix 15:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
"I'll put the links up for discussion"
About time. Who said democracy is dead?
"Second, vandalizing other articles to get your point across (see Special:Contributions/69.223.62.253) isn't going to help your cause one bit."
Strange observation, this discussion wasn't tabled until it occured.
"Third, nobody owns an article, so telling someone else to stop editing it (unless they are vandalizing it) is unacceptable."
Physician, 'heal thyself.'
"Fourth, what do you mean "bringing in a higher admin to help"? I mentioned the vandalism on the Canadian notice board, but didn't recruit "higher admins" (there's no such thing; there are beaurocrats and stewards, though"
Banno? He certainly appears to be fairly high up on the food chain. What with all the awards and admin staffing memoranda he's writing.
"Fifth, using other IPs or open proxies is irrelevant - we can block 'em all if need be, and such actions will only serve to alert us to those open proxies."
Cool. Block the entire world from contributing to Wilkpedia. I would love to see that one happen over a simple web page of a small city in Canada.
"Sixth, this is not my "pet project"; I edit articles to be encyclopedic, and have removed many spam links from many articles - this is no different, and I otherwise don't have an interest in this article. As you've said, I tend to "cull garbage out", so our perception of "garbage" seems to be different. Let's discuss the links in the separate section I've created."
Yes, let's.
As per your ref:
'Occasionally acceptable links'
"2 Web directories: When deemed appropriate by those contributing to an article on Wikipedia, a link to one web directory listing can be added, with preference to open directories (if two are comparable and only one is open). If deemed unnecessary, or if no good directory listing exists, one should not be included."
One of the functions of 'the Ottawa Valley' is to be a cirectory for the entire region. As such, with Pembroke being the hub of this area, it is fitting that it be included.
"3. Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)"
It seems that this is the closest to what two of the links can be considered. In light of the two diverging audiences, they should be listed separate and, a fan club of sorts of the region and city. The third, 'Ottawa Valley Online' is more of a media than an external link as it generates it's own news which is picked up by not only local hard print but across the internet spectrum as well. In any case, none of them are spam or 'vanity sites.'
Thanks, will check back in later.
I should point out that under the section "Links to normally avoid", point 10 clearly states "Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to" (emphasis mine). Mind matrix 16:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Mindmatrix: ""Third, nobody owns an article, so telling someone else to stop editing it (unless they are vandalizing it) is unacceptable."
So, in light of the fact we are all discussing this, I didn't think you would mind having the links placed back up until we all come to a consensus. I mean, since none of us "owns an article" and all.
Good day.
Hmm, seems this discussion is dying a quick death. You wanted a discussion Mindmatrix, so, let's have one.
"forums should generally not be linked to"
Rules are meant to be guidelines, and as such, open to interpretation and bending, contorting and even breaking. If one were to apply fundamentalist rules to this page, you could take out pretty much every link there as first, the Observer does not provide news, only teasers and then goes against the rules requiring people to pay for the media. Second, the ads to the radio stations are chock full of ads as they are a commercial enterprise. See, the point I'm making is that this is not information used to delve into Iranian politics and history, it's an iformation page on a town. Hence, any links that provide further information that can be used interactively by a visitor is a plus rather than a minus. In this case, a 'forum' provides what the reader will want as they can ask what the nightlife is like or how the beaches are. Unlike a forum on a political subject where the reader is simply link to 'Iranian Politics Forum' and then basiclly left to find the information they require for research or whatever amidst thousands of pages of text.
To continue with the rules as you cut them short: "Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard."
Is a forum called 'Pembroke Sucks' and 'Pembroke Online' not related to the town? I think it is and unless you can provide something showing that they are of poor quality I would have to think they belong there.
Later MM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.159.227.194 ( talk • contribs)
"The websites are of low quality, and pembrokesucks.com has a big, bold link to "Store"; that's rather spammy, don't you think?"
Well the spammy one has eighty five people from town on there, all of the obvious age group the site is directed to. That's roughly 1% of the age population for his or her target audience after only being open a couple of months. Pembroke Online sems to have a bit of a following as well as a rather large community based site that covers social issues to local clubs and organizations. Ottawa Valley gets over eight thousand hits a week from the local area. All those people I don't think consider it spam.
Anyhow, as you don't own this, and, seem to be rather closed minded on the subject as you didn't bother adressing most of my points, I'll just continue editing. Good day.
I have all the time in the world to keep putting this link up. Save us all some time and just leave it.
^^^ I was just joking, your life really sucks. Bahahahahahaha!!!
I love how Pembroke Online, PembrokeSucks.com and The Ottawa Valley are now "SPAM". Grow up you old ignorant pricks. What the hell are you doing for Pembroke besides removing links to some good sites?
Perhaps some history on Pembroke's origins could be added? The stuff there is very recent and consists mainly of a summary of the economic situation. I'll see if I can find something. Blotto adrift 01:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
How much is relevant? I don't know... but I know that the radio station is NOT star69 it is infact star96... just thought I'd mention that. And we also get The Bear..
Anyone know the history behind Pembroke becoming a city? I was always told it was too small to be considered a real city but that it was done as some sort of honorific gesture? -- 184.175.1.120 ( talk) 00:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
I'm not a Wikipedia editor, but rather a student who is currently doing a project on the City of Pembroke. If any of you are curious, I'm an undergraduate student in Urban and Regional Planning (known simply as "Planning") at the University of Waterloo.
I am trying to find the source for the historical demographics of Pembroke dating earlier than 2006, and preferably all the way back to 1841 as shown on the table entitled "Historical Populations" (previously "Census Population"). I can neither find this source in the edit history section (where I managed to pin down the edit where this table was added), nor on Google.
Could anyone try to inquire with me on this discrepancy? I'm asking because, unfortunately, many if not all Canadian universities don't accept Wikipedia as a "reliable academic source" in itself, and prefer any information be traced back to the original source.
Many thanks, and I hope that everyone who has contributed edits to this Page is safe and healthy during the ongoing pandemic.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.53.251.139 ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 15 November 2020 UTC (UTC)
Hi,
I've noticed that for many Canadian towns, including those with a francophone minority, the French version tends to be a stub and/or not contain nearly as much information as the English article (this statement is not intended as an attack on Wikipedia). The French article for Pembroke is better and definitely not a stub, but there's a good chunk of information that can be added into the French version from the English (an example is the extensive population table that starts at year 1841). As a fluent bilingual in French and English, I would like to know what the policies are with regards to the cross-referencing of different (linguistic) versions of the same article in order to fill in missing information. I'm asking this because I've seen articles that have a notification asking for multilingual editors to fill in the blanks (so to speak) in articles for whichever version that's considered a stub.
Thank you all, and great work editing these articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.53.251.139 ( talk) 22:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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I've done some general clean up of the article, and also added the standard city "info box". I was forced to move the two images to the bottom of the page because they messed with the text alignment after I added the info box. The only way to fix that is to have enough information on the page that the text extends past the bottom of the info box. Hopefully in the future as I add more information the article will expand and the images can be integrated back into the main body of the article. -- The Lone Bard 04:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
How much of this is even relevant? As far as I know none of the listed TV channels are actually IN Pembroke, and the only radio station in Pembroke is Star 69. I'm considering deleting all mention of Pembroke "media" other than Star 69 and Pembroke Observer. -- The Lone Bard 14:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I've readded info on cavity greg that was removed. Since its removal was not justified.-- Matt D 23:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I am from the pembroke area and I found the link to pembroke sucks usefull and interesting. It is as far as I know the only forum dedicated to pembroke and the pembroke area. I say: as far as policy is concerned, coming on here everyday to remove a link that walks the line between usefull and not usefull is imho a little excesive. I understand that the people who run pembroke sucks also don't seem to know when enough is enough (I myself have removed large adds for their site from the pembroke article) and they should get the hint (like.. you don't own this site, and technically your link shouldn't be here. So why do you think it is somehow your right to post it?)but really.... its a link... its not even in the main body of the article. This is not a gateway to some larger problem. Let it go. stop being a link nazi. and stop posting your link where its not welcome. This is not one of the articles where links are used to support points of view (like on, i don't know, white power sites) so whats the big deal? -- Matt D 17:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
“This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Oak Ridges Moraine, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Mindmatrix 14:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)”
Fair enough, will use another IP then. This then is your last warning;. stop editing the local links to Pembroke Websites. These are legitimate venues for freedom of speech for the Pembroke and surrounding area. And, as such, visitors would find them just as informative as Pembroke City Hall’s non interactive site. Ottawa Valley Online as a matter of fact, reports locaI news that is often later picked up by the Observer.
You seem to have taken editing out the links on this page as your pet project, even bringing in a higher admin to help. While not adverse to having people such as yourself coming by from time to time to cull garbage out, I find nothing wrong with the sites listed, as they certainly provide a ‘look and feel’ to the town of Pembroke that cannot be found on any information page. If you feel the need to continue revising back to your standard, get used to having your work being revised to ours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.223.62.253 ( talk • contribs)
Since a few people seem to believe my actions to remove three external links are wrong, I'd like to open a discussion about it. Please note that Wikipedia has a policy about external links. Your discussion about the inclusion of these links should be made with consideration to that policy.
The links in question are:
Do we keep any of these; if so, which ones, and why. This is not a vote; inclusion will be based on merit and consensus only. Mind matrix 15:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
"I'll put the links up for discussion"
About time. Who said democracy is dead?
"Second, vandalizing other articles to get your point across (see Special:Contributions/69.223.62.253) isn't going to help your cause one bit."
Strange observation, this discussion wasn't tabled until it occured.
"Third, nobody owns an article, so telling someone else to stop editing it (unless they are vandalizing it) is unacceptable."
Physician, 'heal thyself.'
"Fourth, what do you mean "bringing in a higher admin to help"? I mentioned the vandalism on the Canadian notice board, but didn't recruit "higher admins" (there's no such thing; there are beaurocrats and stewards, though"
Banno? He certainly appears to be fairly high up on the food chain. What with all the awards and admin staffing memoranda he's writing.
"Fifth, using other IPs or open proxies is irrelevant - we can block 'em all if need be, and such actions will only serve to alert us to those open proxies."
Cool. Block the entire world from contributing to Wilkpedia. I would love to see that one happen over a simple web page of a small city in Canada.
"Sixth, this is not my "pet project"; I edit articles to be encyclopedic, and have removed many spam links from many articles - this is no different, and I otherwise don't have an interest in this article. As you've said, I tend to "cull garbage out", so our perception of "garbage" seems to be different. Let's discuss the links in the separate section I've created."
Yes, let's.
As per your ref:
'Occasionally acceptable links'
"2 Web directories: When deemed appropriate by those contributing to an article on Wikipedia, a link to one web directory listing can be added, with preference to open directories (if two are comparable and only one is open). If deemed unnecessary, or if no good directory listing exists, one should not be included."
One of the functions of 'the Ottawa Valley' is to be a cirectory for the entire region. As such, with Pembroke being the hub of this area, it is fitting that it be included.
"3. Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)"
It seems that this is the closest to what two of the links can be considered. In light of the two diverging audiences, they should be listed separate and, a fan club of sorts of the region and city. The third, 'Ottawa Valley Online' is more of a media than an external link as it generates it's own news which is picked up by not only local hard print but across the internet spectrum as well. In any case, none of them are spam or 'vanity sites.'
Thanks, will check back in later.
I should point out that under the section "Links to normally avoid", point 10 clearly states "Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to" (emphasis mine). Mind matrix 16:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Mindmatrix: ""Third, nobody owns an article, so telling someone else to stop editing it (unless they are vandalizing it) is unacceptable."
So, in light of the fact we are all discussing this, I didn't think you would mind having the links placed back up until we all come to a consensus. I mean, since none of us "owns an article" and all.
Good day.
Hmm, seems this discussion is dying a quick death. You wanted a discussion Mindmatrix, so, let's have one.
"forums should generally not be linked to"
Rules are meant to be guidelines, and as such, open to interpretation and bending, contorting and even breaking. If one were to apply fundamentalist rules to this page, you could take out pretty much every link there as first, the Observer does not provide news, only teasers and then goes against the rules requiring people to pay for the media. Second, the ads to the radio stations are chock full of ads as they are a commercial enterprise. See, the point I'm making is that this is not information used to delve into Iranian politics and history, it's an iformation page on a town. Hence, any links that provide further information that can be used interactively by a visitor is a plus rather than a minus. In this case, a 'forum' provides what the reader will want as they can ask what the nightlife is like or how the beaches are. Unlike a forum on a political subject where the reader is simply link to 'Iranian Politics Forum' and then basiclly left to find the information they require for research or whatever amidst thousands of pages of text.
To continue with the rules as you cut them short: "Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard."
Is a forum called 'Pembroke Sucks' and 'Pembroke Online' not related to the town? I think it is and unless you can provide something showing that they are of poor quality I would have to think they belong there.
Later MM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.159.227.194 ( talk • contribs)
"The websites are of low quality, and pembrokesucks.com has a big, bold link to "Store"; that's rather spammy, don't you think?"
Well the spammy one has eighty five people from town on there, all of the obvious age group the site is directed to. That's roughly 1% of the age population for his or her target audience after only being open a couple of months. Pembroke Online sems to have a bit of a following as well as a rather large community based site that covers social issues to local clubs and organizations. Ottawa Valley gets over eight thousand hits a week from the local area. All those people I don't think consider it spam.
Anyhow, as you don't own this, and, seem to be rather closed minded on the subject as you didn't bother adressing most of my points, I'll just continue editing. Good day.
I have all the time in the world to keep putting this link up. Save us all some time and just leave it.
^^^ I was just joking, your life really sucks. Bahahahahahaha!!!
I love how Pembroke Online, PembrokeSucks.com and The Ottawa Valley are now "SPAM". Grow up you old ignorant pricks. What the hell are you doing for Pembroke besides removing links to some good sites?
Perhaps some history on Pembroke's origins could be added? The stuff there is very recent and consists mainly of a summary of the economic situation. I'll see if I can find something. Blotto adrift 01:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
How much is relevant? I don't know... but I know that the radio station is NOT star69 it is infact star96... just thought I'd mention that. And we also get The Bear..
Anyone know the history behind Pembroke becoming a city? I was always told it was too small to be considered a real city but that it was done as some sort of honorific gesture? -- 184.175.1.120 ( talk) 00:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
I'm not a Wikipedia editor, but rather a student who is currently doing a project on the City of Pembroke. If any of you are curious, I'm an undergraduate student in Urban and Regional Planning (known simply as "Planning") at the University of Waterloo.
I am trying to find the source for the historical demographics of Pembroke dating earlier than 2006, and preferably all the way back to 1841 as shown on the table entitled "Historical Populations" (previously "Census Population"). I can neither find this source in the edit history section (where I managed to pin down the edit where this table was added), nor on Google.
Could anyone try to inquire with me on this discrepancy? I'm asking because, unfortunately, many if not all Canadian universities don't accept Wikipedia as a "reliable academic source" in itself, and prefer any information be traced back to the original source.
Many thanks, and I hope that everyone who has contributed edits to this Page is safe and healthy during the ongoing pandemic.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.53.251.139 ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 15 November 2020 UTC (UTC)
Hi,
I've noticed that for many Canadian towns, including those with a francophone minority, the French version tends to be a stub and/or not contain nearly as much information as the English article (this statement is not intended as an attack on Wikipedia). The French article for Pembroke is better and definitely not a stub, but there's a good chunk of information that can be added into the French version from the English (an example is the extensive population table that starts at year 1841). As a fluent bilingual in French and English, I would like to know what the policies are with regards to the cross-referencing of different (linguistic) versions of the same article in order to fill in missing information. I'm asking this because I've seen articles that have a notification asking for multilingual editors to fill in the blanks (so to speak) in articles for whichever version that's considered a stub.
Thank you all, and great work editing these articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.53.251.139 ( talk) 22:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)