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On Peering, changed definition of Tier 1 from "A network who sells to, or peers with, every other network on the Internet" to "A network who peers with every other network on the Internet". The new defintiion is derived from Tier 1 carrier, which seems a more accurate definition to me. -- Markmiddleton
No, that would be absolutely factually incorrect. Think for just a moment about what would be required to peer with every other network on the Internet. I operate a very large network, with just shy of 1,000 peers. There are probably a couple that have more peering than that. But certainly not all of the Tier-1s. Now imagine something _45 times larger_. Which is how you just tried to redefine it. -- Bill
Agree that this definition (and it's online right now) seems incorrect. What it's also got going against it, is that a Tier 1 provider can turn into a Tier 2 provider. And this happens without it doing anything at all. Once another country spawns a bunch of networks, and uses a Tier 2 provider to trunk/haul the traffic across oceans, then all the original Tier 1 providers aren't necessarily able to plug in all those new potential Tier 3 guys. Just a thought: How about amending it to "every other Tier 2 provider" ? Still not perfect, but better. Whophd 06:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hasn't this all become sort of academic and beside-the-point, since no "tier 1" network exist, by that definition? Is there any definition of "tier 1" which is not the empty set, anyway? Bill Woodcock 14:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I have tried to avoid the problem above by calling it "overt settlements", or settlements where cash changes hands specifically to pay for things like ratios or inadequate traffic volumes. Although this is obviously not perfect, it at least gives us a definition which will not invalidate everything "known" to date. Patrick W. Gilmore 04:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
ICAIS description relies on implicit conclusions and inferences drawn by an educated reader. Even then, the thing is presented from an almost theoretical, save the terminology, and politically based view, which gives no detail and makes it difficult to form an opinion. After reading it several times over, I concluded that: International Charging Agreements for Internet Service is viewed from an economic perspective. Adoption would decrease costs for those least able to pay and would arbitrarily place economic burden on those who bear no moral or legal responsibility to remedy fabricated injustice. AwesomeMachine 17:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
please define MED, and other acronyms. link to other wiki-pages if applicable. do not use an acronym without spelling it out the first time used.
Some of the general guidelines to successfully engaging in peering include:
If you have to reduce/increase your prefix count, please let your peers know when, how long, and if possible, why.
I removed the above because it is normative, which is not NPOV. -- Beland 23:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I keep removing the "Peering Ecosystem" document because it's a paper designed to be a marketing document. Martin.hannigan 11:02, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
With the following line:
Peer directly with that network, or with a network who sells transit service to that network, or
If A pays B, B pays C and C has a peering with D, does it mean that D can send traffic to A through B and C? Thanks 89.180.64.93 05:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)João
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On Peering, changed definition of Tier 1 from "A network who sells to, or peers with, every other network on the Internet" to "A network who peers with every other network on the Internet". The new defintiion is derived from Tier 1 carrier, which seems a more accurate definition to me. -- Markmiddleton
No, that would be absolutely factually incorrect. Think for just a moment about what would be required to peer with every other network on the Internet. I operate a very large network, with just shy of 1,000 peers. There are probably a couple that have more peering than that. But certainly not all of the Tier-1s. Now imagine something _45 times larger_. Which is how you just tried to redefine it. -- Bill
Agree that this definition (and it's online right now) seems incorrect. What it's also got going against it, is that a Tier 1 provider can turn into a Tier 2 provider. And this happens without it doing anything at all. Once another country spawns a bunch of networks, and uses a Tier 2 provider to trunk/haul the traffic across oceans, then all the original Tier 1 providers aren't necessarily able to plug in all those new potential Tier 3 guys. Just a thought: How about amending it to "every other Tier 2 provider" ? Still not perfect, but better. Whophd 06:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hasn't this all become sort of academic and beside-the-point, since no "tier 1" network exist, by that definition? Is there any definition of "tier 1" which is not the empty set, anyway? Bill Woodcock 14:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I have tried to avoid the problem above by calling it "overt settlements", or settlements where cash changes hands specifically to pay for things like ratios or inadequate traffic volumes. Although this is obviously not perfect, it at least gives us a definition which will not invalidate everything "known" to date. Patrick W. Gilmore 04:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
ICAIS description relies on implicit conclusions and inferences drawn by an educated reader. Even then, the thing is presented from an almost theoretical, save the terminology, and politically based view, which gives no detail and makes it difficult to form an opinion. After reading it several times over, I concluded that: International Charging Agreements for Internet Service is viewed from an economic perspective. Adoption would decrease costs for those least able to pay and would arbitrarily place economic burden on those who bear no moral or legal responsibility to remedy fabricated injustice. AwesomeMachine 17:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
please define MED, and other acronyms. link to other wiki-pages if applicable. do not use an acronym without spelling it out the first time used.
Some of the general guidelines to successfully engaging in peering include:
If you have to reduce/increase your prefix count, please let your peers know when, how long, and if possible, why.
I removed the above because it is normative, which is not NPOV. -- Beland 23:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I keep removing the "Peering Ecosystem" document because it's a paper designed to be a marketing document. Martin.hannigan 11:02, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
With the following line:
Peer directly with that network, or with a network who sells transit service to that network, or
If A pays B, B pays C and C has a peering with D, does it mean that D can send traffic to A through B and C? Thanks 89.180.64.93 05:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)João
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