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Thatcher baronets says "It is the only baronetcy to be granted since 1964 (as of 2017) and is one of only three extant hereditary titles awarded outside the British royal family since 1965" but it is not listed in the 'Ranks' section which lists another baron created in 1965. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.191.19.12 ( talk) 20:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Which ones are Life Peers? Is there a cut-off year? Rmhermen
Yes, 1876 is correct. Of course, since Law Lords are for life only, ones created under that act before 1960-odd are all dead by now. The basic situation is that the monarch has always had the right to create life peerages, but these life peers did not have right to sit in parliament until the 1876 act, which allowed for the creation of Lords of Appeal for life only. This was expanded in 1958 to allow the creation of any number of life peers. For a while, both life and hereditary peerages were granted, but the granting of hereditary peerages (with only five exceptions, two for the Queen's sons) stopped with the inception of the Harold Wilson government in 1964 (although a few were created in the first years of that - presumably their creation had been announced under Douglas-Home, but the creation was delayed).
As to the table question, I'd suggest that the table be broken up, to allow the page to be split into sections (and that this be done to all the peerage pages). john 06:05, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This page is pretty big. Is there any reason not to split it up into:
with of course the appropriate pointers here? Noel (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Where is the Duke of Norfolk? I believe this list is incomplete.
It may or may not be incomplete, but if you will search for the "Duke of Norfolk" you will find him in the article. - Nunh-huh 08:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Where are the lists of life peerages higher than a baron? In history also higher life peerages were created upto duchess. I fail to see them here. Or concerns these listings only still existing and living peerages? Demophon ( talk) 18:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Where in the peerage do Baronets and baronetcies rank. I believe above Barons. Why are they not included in the list ? 193.195.196.141 ( talk) 09:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Baronetcies are not peerages and they are not titles of nobilty. They rank below barons and some orders of knighthood. 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 09:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I read in the article it was in 1964 when the British government stopped creating peers. I also read that that happened when Harold Wilson came into power. Well, my question is, why did he decided to do that? I mean, the article details the fact that no more peers were to be created, but does not state the reason to make such a decision. So I would appreciate a line or two on the subject. Greetings, -- 85.57.70.254 ( talk) 16:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Well, now it does... The reason is obvious I think. Hereditary titles are essentially undemocratic in nature... If someone deserves an accolade or an award it should not automatically go to his descendants... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.83.102 ( talk) 18:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I notice that there's an average of ten hereditary peerages created per year up until about 1964, and after that almost none - and usually then mainly for members of the royal family. Is there any reason why this is so, as the article doesn't address this? What i'm getting at is this: is there some sort of policy (official or unofficial) to let hereditary titles eventually dwindle or die out through attrition? For instance, why aren't former PMs made hereditary earls any more? 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 09:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
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All the sections titled "(title)s in the Peerage of the United Kingdom", should be removed. It's all already covered, in the section "Lists of peers". Besides which, the list of Barons is woefully incomplete, as it doesn't include life peers. (and this article is "Peerage of the United Kingdom". Not "Hereditary peerage of the United Kingdom")-- 213.113.50.182 ( talk) 08:32, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Is it necessary to include a coronet above every shield of arms? It doesn't tell us anything new, since the titles are already categorised by rank, and it makes the shields themselves too small to see. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 18:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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I think that the shields for Viscount Knutsford, Viscount Monckton of Brenchley and Viscount Rochdale need to be added 86.191.232.82 ( talk) 20:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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11 May 1814 | Arthur Wellesley, Marquess of Wellington | Military Peerage– Army. |
The Prince Regent on behalf of King George III | ||
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28 January 1833 | George Leveson-Gower, Marquess of Stafford | King William IV | |||
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27 February 1874 | Hugh Grosvenor, Marquess of Westminster | Queen Victoria | |||
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13 January 1876 | Charles Gordon-Lennox, Duke of Richmond | He was an incumbent cabinet minister. | |||
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24 May 1881 | Prince Leopold | Currently suspended. | |||
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7 April 1892 | George Campbell, Duke of Argyll | He was a former cabinet minister. | |||
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24 April 1900 | Alexander Duff, Earl of Fife | [a] | |||
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31 April 1928 | Prince Henry | On his 28th birthday. | King George V | ||
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12 October 1934 | Prince George | In anticipation of his forthcoming marriage to Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark. | |||
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23 July 1986 | Prince Andrew | On his wedding day to Sarah Ferguson. | Queen Elizabeth II | ||
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29 April 2011 | Prince William of Wales | On his wedding day to Catherine Middleton. | |||
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18 May 2018 | Prince Harry of Wales | On his wedding day to Meghan Markle. |
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At the Duke of Cambridge has the Charles III link why not the Duke of Sussex, plus why has the amended tables not been amended and this needs to be not protected as some articles. 86.191.232.221 ( talk) 19:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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Thatcher baronets says "It is the only baronetcy to be granted since 1964 (as of 2017) and is one of only three extant hereditary titles awarded outside the British royal family since 1965" but it is not listed in the 'Ranks' section which lists another baron created in 1965. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.191.19.12 ( talk) 20:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Which ones are Life Peers? Is there a cut-off year? Rmhermen
Yes, 1876 is correct. Of course, since Law Lords are for life only, ones created under that act before 1960-odd are all dead by now. The basic situation is that the monarch has always had the right to create life peerages, but these life peers did not have right to sit in parliament until the 1876 act, which allowed for the creation of Lords of Appeal for life only. This was expanded in 1958 to allow the creation of any number of life peers. For a while, both life and hereditary peerages were granted, but the granting of hereditary peerages (with only five exceptions, two for the Queen's sons) stopped with the inception of the Harold Wilson government in 1964 (although a few were created in the first years of that - presumably their creation had been announced under Douglas-Home, but the creation was delayed).
As to the table question, I'd suggest that the table be broken up, to allow the page to be split into sections (and that this be done to all the peerage pages). john 06:05, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This page is pretty big. Is there any reason not to split it up into:
with of course the appropriate pointers here? Noel (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Where is the Duke of Norfolk? I believe this list is incomplete.
It may or may not be incomplete, but if you will search for the "Duke of Norfolk" you will find him in the article. - Nunh-huh 08:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Where are the lists of life peerages higher than a baron? In history also higher life peerages were created upto duchess. I fail to see them here. Or concerns these listings only still existing and living peerages? Demophon ( talk) 18:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Where in the peerage do Baronets and baronetcies rank. I believe above Barons. Why are they not included in the list ? 193.195.196.141 ( talk) 09:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Baronetcies are not peerages and they are not titles of nobilty. They rank below barons and some orders of knighthood. 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 09:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I read in the article it was in 1964 when the British government stopped creating peers. I also read that that happened when Harold Wilson came into power. Well, my question is, why did he decided to do that? I mean, the article details the fact that no more peers were to be created, but does not state the reason to make such a decision. So I would appreciate a line or two on the subject. Greetings, -- 85.57.70.254 ( talk) 16:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Well, now it does... The reason is obvious I think. Hereditary titles are essentially undemocratic in nature... If someone deserves an accolade or an award it should not automatically go to his descendants... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.83.102 ( talk) 18:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I notice that there's an average of ten hereditary peerages created per year up until about 1964, and after that almost none - and usually then mainly for members of the royal family. Is there any reason why this is so, as the article doesn't address this? What i'm getting at is this: is there some sort of policy (official or unofficial) to let hereditary titles eventually dwindle or die out through attrition? For instance, why aren't former PMs made hereditary earls any more? 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 09:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
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All the sections titled "(title)s in the Peerage of the United Kingdom", should be removed. It's all already covered, in the section "Lists of peers". Besides which, the list of Barons is woefully incomplete, as it doesn't include life peers. (and this article is "Peerage of the United Kingdom". Not "Hereditary peerage of the United Kingdom")-- 213.113.50.182 ( talk) 08:32, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Is it necessary to include a coronet above every shield of arms? It doesn't tell us anything new, since the titles are already categorised by rank, and it makes the shields themselves too small to see. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 18:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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I think that the shields for Viscount Knutsford, Viscount Monckton of Brenchley and Viscount Rochdale need to be added 86.191.232.82 ( talk) 20:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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change 'Charles, Prince Of Wales' to 'King Charles III' on the notes of Prince Harry and William's peerages. Rileynavin ( talk) 20:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Shield | Title | Creation | Grantee | Reason | Monarch | |
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11 May 1814 | Arthur Wellesley, Marquess of Wellington | Military Peerage– Army. |
The Prince Regent on behalf of King George III | ||
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28 January 1833 | George Leveson-Gower, Marquess of Stafford | King William IV | |||
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27 February 1874 | Hugh Grosvenor, Marquess of Westminster | Queen Victoria | |||
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13 January 1876 | Charles Gordon-Lennox, Duke of Richmond | He was an incumbent cabinet minister. | |||
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24 May 1881 | Prince Leopold | Currently suspended. | |||
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7 April 1892 | George Campbell, Duke of Argyll | He was a former cabinet minister. | |||
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24 April 1900 | Alexander Duff, Earl of Fife | [a] | |||
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31 April 1928 | Prince Henry | On his 28th birthday. | King George V | ||
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12 October 1934 | Prince George | In anticipation of his forthcoming marriage to Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark. | |||
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23 July 1986 | Prince Andrew | On his wedding day to Sarah Ferguson. | Queen Elizabeth II | ||
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29 April 2011 | Prince William of Wales | On his wedding day to Catherine Middleton. | |||
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18 May 2018 | Prince Harry of Wales | On his wedding day to Meghan Markle. |
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