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The Wheelbase is listed as 50 inches, which obviously is incorrect. This photo gives an idea that the P50's wheelbase is approximately its length reduced by an amount that is a bit more than one wheel diameter. KerryVeenstra 03:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
In the article it is written "During the segment, Clarkson incorrectly stated that the tiny P50 is subject to the London congestion charge, unlike the much larger Lexus RX vehicle used as a camera platform, which qualifies for exemption from the charge on the grounds of its petrol-electric hybrid powerplant.[5] In fact the P50 also qualifies for exemption, under a provision allowing three-wheeled vehicles of less than 100 cm (39.4 in) width and 200 cm (78.7 in) length to enter the Congestion Charge Zone without charge.[6]"
The focus of this part of the segment was poking fun at both ludicrous congestion charge exemptions for very large vehicles.
Does anyone know any information regarding the Peel P50's fuel economy? I think this will further enlighten the article.
99.237.73.149 ( talk) 19:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The boxout says 35mph / 56kmh... the main text claims 38mph / 61kmh. Now I know it's only a small discrepancy in the grand scheme of things, but which is it, if either? Or, as noted on its Top Gear appearance, does it largely depend on the driver's weight? (In which case, we should probably take the ISO/SAE certified 75kg standard human* ;-) (* not an actual unit as far as I'm aware, but it seems to be the figure stated when working out e.g. luggage capacity with a certain number of passengers, kerb weight including fuel and driver for loading and economy measurement purposes, etcetera)
^ "100% Discount for Motortricycles" (PDF), Transport for London. Retrieved on 8 January 2008. doesn't work... does anyone have a copy of the file, assuming that it is indeed a broken link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.87.176 ( talk) 19:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
The encyclopedia must avoid all forms of commercial sponsorship and advertising. However, it's in the nature of describing a product that we include information as regards manufacture and acquisition. As I understand Andy Carter of Nottingham is the flag-bearer for this product in it's current form and as such needs mentioning. I have no connection with him whatsoever. MalcolmMcDonald ( talk) 16:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Andy Carter of Nottingham UK sells body-shells and a few made-to-order from £9,999 upwards.
The post just before yours answers your first question. If you have read WP:NOTDIRECTORY and you still do not understand why, then there is nothing I can add that will help you.
Production of *what* stopped 14 years ago? The Ford Mondeo is still in production and the Peel P50 ended production in 1964, which would be about 45 years ago.
Why do you insist that the Peel P50 is still in production? Peel hasn't made them since 1964, Peel hasn't licensed production to anyone, so the Peel P50 is as out of production as the Ferrari 250 GTO and no amount of replica manufacturers is going to change that.
If you have material available on auction prices or private sale prices of actual Peel P50s, by all means add the information and cite the source.
Sincerely, SamBlob ( talk) 00:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Assuming that current values of rare and collectible items are notable, and assuming that the Peel P50 is rare and collectible enough for its current value to be notable, what prices have they sold for?
This source, BBC - Isle of Man - History - The small car with the big reputation, claims that the Peel Transport Museum bought a 1962 P50 for £10,500 in 2004 or shortly thereafter.
This source, Peel Microcars - Replicas, claims that P50s sell for "up to £25,000". However, the site belongs to a man who builds and sells replicas, so it would be in his interest to make the price of an original look higher than it is.
I looked through the other sources for the article and I didn't get any price information from them. Does anyone know were reliable information on this can be sourced? Also, can anyone confirm or refute that the initial assumptions are correct and that this information is relevant to the article?
I thank you for your time and consideration.
Respectfully, SamBlob ( talk) 23:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
The Peel looks so improbably small, I need to ask about the driving age on that island back in the '60s. Apparently a child could drive to 1st grade in one, because even go-karts rival its size. I know that decades ago, driving ages weren't as universal. I even read that America did not have a firm driving age until 1940. -- 70.179.174.101 ( talk) 10:41, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
"In 2011, businessmen Gary Hillman and Faizal Khan went to Dragons' Den, asking for £80,000. They got what they wanted, and started working away. For a short period of time, there were three models available; Gas, Eco, and Fun."
What did these businessmen want/get the money for? To buy the rights to the design? To set up production? To market the product? To vacation in Barbados? All of the above?
This, ladies and gentlemen, is an encyclopedia. Readers are not supposed to infer connections. They are supposed to be explicitly told what is there to be told. Will someone who knows what happened please tell us without all the gaps?
Sincerely, SamBlob ( talk) 19:25, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
What car is the new record holder for smallest production car then? // Liftarn ( talk)
I don't know if Guinness ever acknowledged or defined a record for the smallest production car, but few would argue that the P50 would still hold that record as a car that anyone could go and buy that was in regular series production. The record for the smallest roadworthy car is the only one currently listed on the Guinness website. Although the record holder shown ("Wind Up" made by Perry Watkins based on a Postman Pat kiddies ride) is not the one other sources on the net state is the current record holder ("IM BIG" made by Austin Coulson with a 57 Chevy style stroller body). Mighty Antar ( talk) 18:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
The article starts off with the claim that The Peel P50 is a three-wheeled microcar originally manufactured from 1962 to 1965 [...], yet later a paragraph has the headline 1962-66. So when did the original production run end, 1965 or 1966? Thanks, Maikel ( talk) 21:12, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Am I assuming correctly that the original (DKW) engine was two-stroke? Thanks, Maikel ( talk) 21:12, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The article states that the company sells about fifteen P50s annually (as of 2018), plus about "ten or so" of the Trident. That can't be accurate - only 25 total cars per year? I just checked their website, and it states they are making available 50 cars of a limited edition called the P50 Spyder. How can a limited edition version be more than the normal output? How could a company even survive on only producing 25 vehicles? Elsquared ( talk) 21:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
The figures in the infobox and the main text are contradictory - top speed either 38 mph or 28 mph etc. Which ones are correct? JezGrove ( talk) 23:45, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
The article simply states "it is street legal in the US" without a citation. Given that the US is very strict about imported cars and microcars, this deserves to have a source confirming it. Xatzimi ( talk) 03:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
"The conventional piston engined P50 is more requested in the UK, priced at £14,879 – whereas greater demand for the Peel comes from the US, where the electric model (at £13,679) helps owners to comply with emissions regulations"
What regulations? I don't know of any state in the US that regulates individual automobile owners emissions in a manner that would require them to buy an electric car "to comply with emissions regulations". In some states they test emissions, that just means your car can't have excessive levels for the type of car. If it fails you don't need to go buy an electric car to pass the test. You can maybe avoid the requirement to do emissions tests if you have an electric vehicle, but CAFE standards apply to the car makers, not the public.
I assume what they mean is that the piston engine model will not pass emissions tests in many states, so people who live in those states opt for the electric version instead. In which case, again, they are avoiding, not complying with, emissions regulations. Idumea47b ( talk) 02:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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The Wheelbase is listed as 50 inches, which obviously is incorrect. This photo gives an idea that the P50's wheelbase is approximately its length reduced by an amount that is a bit more than one wheel diameter. KerryVeenstra 03:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
In the article it is written "During the segment, Clarkson incorrectly stated that the tiny P50 is subject to the London congestion charge, unlike the much larger Lexus RX vehicle used as a camera platform, which qualifies for exemption from the charge on the grounds of its petrol-electric hybrid powerplant.[5] In fact the P50 also qualifies for exemption, under a provision allowing three-wheeled vehicles of less than 100 cm (39.4 in) width and 200 cm (78.7 in) length to enter the Congestion Charge Zone without charge.[6]"
The focus of this part of the segment was poking fun at both ludicrous congestion charge exemptions for very large vehicles.
Does anyone know any information regarding the Peel P50's fuel economy? I think this will further enlighten the article.
99.237.73.149 ( talk) 19:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The boxout says 35mph / 56kmh... the main text claims 38mph / 61kmh. Now I know it's only a small discrepancy in the grand scheme of things, but which is it, if either? Or, as noted on its Top Gear appearance, does it largely depend on the driver's weight? (In which case, we should probably take the ISO/SAE certified 75kg standard human* ;-) (* not an actual unit as far as I'm aware, but it seems to be the figure stated when working out e.g. luggage capacity with a certain number of passengers, kerb weight including fuel and driver for loading and economy measurement purposes, etcetera)
^ "100% Discount for Motortricycles" (PDF), Transport for London. Retrieved on 8 January 2008. doesn't work... does anyone have a copy of the file, assuming that it is indeed a broken link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.87.176 ( talk) 19:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
The encyclopedia must avoid all forms of commercial sponsorship and advertising. However, it's in the nature of describing a product that we include information as regards manufacture and acquisition. As I understand Andy Carter of Nottingham is the flag-bearer for this product in it's current form and as such needs mentioning. I have no connection with him whatsoever. MalcolmMcDonald ( talk) 16:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Andy Carter of Nottingham UK sells body-shells and a few made-to-order from £9,999 upwards.
The post just before yours answers your first question. If you have read WP:NOTDIRECTORY and you still do not understand why, then there is nothing I can add that will help you.
Production of *what* stopped 14 years ago? The Ford Mondeo is still in production and the Peel P50 ended production in 1964, which would be about 45 years ago.
Why do you insist that the Peel P50 is still in production? Peel hasn't made them since 1964, Peel hasn't licensed production to anyone, so the Peel P50 is as out of production as the Ferrari 250 GTO and no amount of replica manufacturers is going to change that.
If you have material available on auction prices or private sale prices of actual Peel P50s, by all means add the information and cite the source.
Sincerely, SamBlob ( talk) 00:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Assuming that current values of rare and collectible items are notable, and assuming that the Peel P50 is rare and collectible enough for its current value to be notable, what prices have they sold for?
This source, BBC - Isle of Man - History - The small car with the big reputation, claims that the Peel Transport Museum bought a 1962 P50 for £10,500 in 2004 or shortly thereafter.
This source, Peel Microcars - Replicas, claims that P50s sell for "up to £25,000". However, the site belongs to a man who builds and sells replicas, so it would be in his interest to make the price of an original look higher than it is.
I looked through the other sources for the article and I didn't get any price information from them. Does anyone know were reliable information on this can be sourced? Also, can anyone confirm or refute that the initial assumptions are correct and that this information is relevant to the article?
I thank you for your time and consideration.
Respectfully, SamBlob ( talk) 23:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
The Peel looks so improbably small, I need to ask about the driving age on that island back in the '60s. Apparently a child could drive to 1st grade in one, because even go-karts rival its size. I know that decades ago, driving ages weren't as universal. I even read that America did not have a firm driving age until 1940. -- 70.179.174.101 ( talk) 10:41, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
"In 2011, businessmen Gary Hillman and Faizal Khan went to Dragons' Den, asking for £80,000. They got what they wanted, and started working away. For a short period of time, there were three models available; Gas, Eco, and Fun."
What did these businessmen want/get the money for? To buy the rights to the design? To set up production? To market the product? To vacation in Barbados? All of the above?
This, ladies and gentlemen, is an encyclopedia. Readers are not supposed to infer connections. They are supposed to be explicitly told what is there to be told. Will someone who knows what happened please tell us without all the gaps?
Sincerely, SamBlob ( talk) 19:25, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
What car is the new record holder for smallest production car then? // Liftarn ( talk)
I don't know if Guinness ever acknowledged or defined a record for the smallest production car, but few would argue that the P50 would still hold that record as a car that anyone could go and buy that was in regular series production. The record for the smallest roadworthy car is the only one currently listed on the Guinness website. Although the record holder shown ("Wind Up" made by Perry Watkins based on a Postman Pat kiddies ride) is not the one other sources on the net state is the current record holder ("IM BIG" made by Austin Coulson with a 57 Chevy style stroller body). Mighty Antar ( talk) 18:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
The article starts off with the claim that The Peel P50 is a three-wheeled microcar originally manufactured from 1962 to 1965 [...], yet later a paragraph has the headline 1962-66. So when did the original production run end, 1965 or 1966? Thanks, Maikel ( talk) 21:12, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Am I assuming correctly that the original (DKW) engine was two-stroke? Thanks, Maikel ( talk) 21:12, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The article states that the company sells about fifteen P50s annually (as of 2018), plus about "ten or so" of the Trident. That can't be accurate - only 25 total cars per year? I just checked their website, and it states they are making available 50 cars of a limited edition called the P50 Spyder. How can a limited edition version be more than the normal output? How could a company even survive on only producing 25 vehicles? Elsquared ( talk) 21:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
The figures in the infobox and the main text are contradictory - top speed either 38 mph or 28 mph etc. Which ones are correct? JezGrove ( talk) 23:45, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
The article simply states "it is street legal in the US" without a citation. Given that the US is very strict about imported cars and microcars, this deserves to have a source confirming it. Xatzimi ( talk) 03:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
"The conventional piston engined P50 is more requested in the UK, priced at £14,879 – whereas greater demand for the Peel comes from the US, where the electric model (at £13,679) helps owners to comply with emissions regulations"
What regulations? I don't know of any state in the US that regulates individual automobile owners emissions in a manner that would require them to buy an electric car "to comply with emissions regulations". In some states they test emissions, that just means your car can't have excessive levels for the type of car. If it fails you don't need to go buy an electric car to pass the test. You can maybe avoid the requirement to do emissions tests if you have an electric vehicle, but CAFE standards apply to the car makers, not the public.
I assume what they mean is that the piston engine model will not pass emissions tests in many states, so people who live in those states opt for the electric version instead. In which case, again, they are avoiding, not complying with, emissions regulations. Idumea47b ( talk) 02:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)