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How exactly does the new picture show the barnes dance? It just looks like a bunch of people crossing the street - could be any intersection in the world, in fact. In the old picture a traffic light was clearly visible showing that pedestrians could cross in both directions. - Ld | talk 20:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps an external link: "Improving flow of pedestrians" -- http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002906835_bumper03m.html -- Concerning Seattle 1st and Pike intersection, and others Brianhe 23:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Move. — Wknight94 ( talk) 19:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Barnes Dance → pedestrian scramble – Barnes Dance is a very rarely used phrase, pedestrian scramble is more often used and a better description. See the googlefight for proof of the popularity of pedestrian scramble compared to Barnes Dance Daniel Olsen 07:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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The historic move request used a Googlefight as the main argument. I note that this Googlefight uses quotation marks around the expression 'Barnes Dance', but not around the expression 'pedestrian scramble'. Repeating the Googlefight with quotation marks around both expressions gives a rather different result. Just an observation. Schwede66 ( talk) 09:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Well spotted Schwede66. In New Zealand, where this pedestrian crossing system was introduced in 1958 it was always called "Barnes Dance" in my experience - if you want a little gratuitous Google evidence on this, a .nz domain search on these two terms reveals 20 times the number of hits for "Barnes Dance". Hence the small text changes I have made today.
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"In many cities in the Netherlands a similar system is used to allow cyclists to cross busy intersections."
I don't believe that is true, as I live in Amsterdam (bike city), and the only pedestrian scramble I've ever seen was in Sydney at the intersect of George street and Park street. But I could be wrong. 85.144.208.112 15:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Recommened reinserting the list of Pedestrian Scramble locations as link to the main article. Included in the main article may be "unencyclopedic" but certainly has value on its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.121.19.13 ( talk) 17:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I think there is a diagonal pedestrian crossing in Beverly Hills, CA/Los Angeles/Hollywood/Westwood someplace. 192.122.237.11 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC).
In this article are very US-centric. I'm not sure how best to modify the article, but I think this could use some cleanup. -- ktims ( talk) 07:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
at http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=27&id=26049 (DOT Gathers Locals To Help Re-Design “Gateway To Brooklyn” by Samuel Newhouse) I saw this mondegreen: It was also suggested that “barn-stands” be put in place at every intersection along Tillary, which would allow simultaneous crossing on all four sides and diagonal crossing from corner to corner — similar to what is permitted at Court and Montague streets in Downtown Brooklyn. I'm considering creating a redirect for "barn stands", given that both they and "Barnes dance" are both rare phrases. Mang ( talk) 15:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
The pros and cons section has a paragraph of cons nobody would likely argue and a paragraph with an unsupported claim that some intersections can "greatly benefit" from the pedestrian scramble. Is there any research to support this?
I am going to fix this. Please feel free to leave feedback regarding my changes. InformationvsInjustice ( talk) 20:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
24.61.131.49 ( talk) 04:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Pedestrian Scramble Crossings – A Tale of Two Cities Worth including? Mapsax ( talk) 23:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
To add to this article: how were vehicles and pedestrians alerted to the fact that it was time for pedestrians to walk through the intersection? Was there a traffic light or bell? This really is basic information that should already have been in the article. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 01:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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How exactly does the new picture show the barnes dance? It just looks like a bunch of people crossing the street - could be any intersection in the world, in fact. In the old picture a traffic light was clearly visible showing that pedestrians could cross in both directions. - Ld | talk 20:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps an external link: "Improving flow of pedestrians" -- http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002906835_bumper03m.html -- Concerning Seattle 1st and Pike intersection, and others Brianhe 23:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Move. — Wknight94 ( talk) 19:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Barnes Dance → pedestrian scramble – Barnes Dance is a very rarely used phrase, pedestrian scramble is more often used and a better description. See the googlefight for proof of the popularity of pedestrian scramble compared to Barnes Dance Daniel Olsen 07:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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The historic move request used a Googlefight as the main argument. I note that this Googlefight uses quotation marks around the expression 'Barnes Dance', but not around the expression 'pedestrian scramble'. Repeating the Googlefight with quotation marks around both expressions gives a rather different result. Just an observation. Schwede66 ( talk) 09:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Well spotted Schwede66. In New Zealand, where this pedestrian crossing system was introduced in 1958 it was always called "Barnes Dance" in my experience - if you want a little gratuitous Google evidence on this, a .nz domain search on these two terms reveals 20 times the number of hits for "Barnes Dance". Hence the small text changes I have made today.
Obert (
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17:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
"In many cities in the Netherlands a similar system is used to allow cyclists to cross busy intersections."
I don't believe that is true, as I live in Amsterdam (bike city), and the only pedestrian scramble I've ever seen was in Sydney at the intersect of George street and Park street. But I could be wrong. 85.144.208.112 15:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Recommened reinserting the list of Pedestrian Scramble locations as link to the main article. Included in the main article may be "unencyclopedic" but certainly has value on its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.121.19.13 ( talk) 17:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I think there is a diagonal pedestrian crossing in Beverly Hills, CA/Los Angeles/Hollywood/Westwood someplace. 192.122.237.11 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC).
In this article are very US-centric. I'm not sure how best to modify the article, but I think this could use some cleanup. -- ktims ( talk) 07:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
at http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=27&id=26049 (DOT Gathers Locals To Help Re-Design “Gateway To Brooklyn” by Samuel Newhouse) I saw this mondegreen: It was also suggested that “barn-stands” be put in place at every intersection along Tillary, which would allow simultaneous crossing on all four sides and diagonal crossing from corner to corner — similar to what is permitted at Court and Montague streets in Downtown Brooklyn. I'm considering creating a redirect for "barn stands", given that both they and "Barnes dance" are both rare phrases. Mang ( talk) 15:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
The pros and cons section has a paragraph of cons nobody would likely argue and a paragraph with an unsupported claim that some intersections can "greatly benefit" from the pedestrian scramble. Is there any research to support this?
I am going to fix this. Please feel free to leave feedback regarding my changes. InformationvsInjustice ( talk) 20:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
24.61.131.49 ( talk) 04:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Pedestrian Scramble Crossings – A Tale of Two Cities Worth including? Mapsax ( talk) 23:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
To add to this article: how were vehicles and pedestrians alerted to the fact that it was time for pedestrians to walk through the intersection? Was there a traffic light or bell? This really is basic information that should already have been in the article. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 01:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)