"The Peace and Truce of God movement was a weapon in the Church's arsenal to Christianize and pacify the feudal structures of society through non-violent means."
Two questions: 1. Is the irony here intentional? and 2. Whether or not it is intentional, is it appropriate? I find the notion of a non-violent arsenal rather distracting and confusing, better suited to a pet thesis than a Wikipedia entry. Thoughts? Aventuremacher 19:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC) aventuremacher (Jonathan)
I'm expecting some obsessing fool to come along any day and create two Wikipedia entries. One for Peace of God and one for Truce of God. -- Wetman 04:11, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
There are many translations of Gibbon, but there is no "right" version, even he continued to change and edit with each release during his lifetime. The Gutenburg version is from an 1845 edition by Rev. H.H. Milman. The Womersley edition is thought to be the closest edition to his original words, if thats your intent, but I bowed to the clarity of the idea as found in the recent Mueller edition. Stbalbach 04:27, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why is Gibbon being quoted? The information he is providing is solely incidental. Unless there is historical evidence and analysis backing up the idea that the Truce of God or the Peace of God were indeed created in imitation of this pagan tradition it is just conjecture. That sort of conjecture misrepresents the origins of the name." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tempestswordsman ( talk • contribs) 02:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
This is the first time I see the Latin expression for Truce of God written as "Treuga Dei". So far, all the written sources I've read used the spelling "Tregua", inherited by Neo-Latin languages (Portuguese "Tregoa", Spanish "Tregua", Provenzal "Tregua", Italian "Trégua/Tréigua"... Catalan "Treva" and French "Trêve" show vacilation between W and V) and consistent with the W > GU rule followed in the Latinization of Germanic words (Walter > Gualterius, William > Gu[i]lielmus). Etimologia: tregua,triegua lists more variations (both ancient and modern) of the word, most of them more similar to "Tregu-/Trew-/Trev-" than to "Treug-". I'm inclined to believe that the preferred Medieval Latin word for "Truce" was "Tregua" rather than "Treuga". Cngsoft 19:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
During the medieval period the Catholic Church in Europe applied spiritual sanctions to limit the violence of private war in feudal society. The principal means of these sanctions were Pax Dei, "Peace of God" or Treuga Dei "The Truce of God" .
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Especially to those of you who have contributed so far in 2018, without signing in. Even though I edited your edits, they were excellent contributions to the article. I hope I have preserved their intent. And I hope you will be interested in overhauling this entry. It needs (and deserves) a lot of work.
Gibbon's Thesis, for instance, is given a lot of room above the fold and at best should be relegated to something more resembling a footnote. Meanwhile, the rise of Castelan culture and the roots of feudal violence in the Viking Age should surely be given more prominence and coverage. Fb2ts ( talk) 17:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Start-Class yes, Low-important - far from it. Fb2ts ( talk) 17:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
I propose, furthermore, that some effort should be made to make the article engaging to the average reader and that a fair number of the references cited should be relatively easy to find, in a library or bookstore. Fb2ts ( talk) 18:01, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey everyone. I think this article could do with some reshuffling/restructuring. Currently I don't think it flows, and it's hard to tell what some of the sections are supposed to mean. Is Background supposed to be the history leading up to legal/social conditions for the movement? Why is there a quote in the introductory paragraph? I think moving paragraphs around and having clearer headings would go a long way to improving readability for this article. Gold Broth ( talk) 19:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
"The Peace and Truce of God movement was a weapon in the Church's arsenal to Christianize and pacify the feudal structures of society through non-violent means."
Two questions: 1. Is the irony here intentional? and 2. Whether or not it is intentional, is it appropriate? I find the notion of a non-violent arsenal rather distracting and confusing, better suited to a pet thesis than a Wikipedia entry. Thoughts? Aventuremacher 19:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC) aventuremacher (Jonathan)
I'm expecting some obsessing fool to come along any day and create two Wikipedia entries. One for Peace of God and one for Truce of God. -- Wetman 04:11, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
There are many translations of Gibbon, but there is no "right" version, even he continued to change and edit with each release during his lifetime. The Gutenburg version is from an 1845 edition by Rev. H.H. Milman. The Womersley edition is thought to be the closest edition to his original words, if thats your intent, but I bowed to the clarity of the idea as found in the recent Mueller edition. Stbalbach 04:27, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why is Gibbon being quoted? The information he is providing is solely incidental. Unless there is historical evidence and analysis backing up the idea that the Truce of God or the Peace of God were indeed created in imitation of this pagan tradition it is just conjecture. That sort of conjecture misrepresents the origins of the name." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tempestswordsman ( talk • contribs) 02:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
This is the first time I see the Latin expression for Truce of God written as "Treuga Dei". So far, all the written sources I've read used the spelling "Tregua", inherited by Neo-Latin languages (Portuguese "Tregoa", Spanish "Tregua", Provenzal "Tregua", Italian "Trégua/Tréigua"... Catalan "Treva" and French "Trêve" show vacilation between W and V) and consistent with the W > GU rule followed in the Latinization of Germanic words (Walter > Gualterius, William > Gu[i]lielmus). Etimologia: tregua,triegua lists more variations (both ancient and modern) of the word, most of them more similar to "Tregu-/Trew-/Trev-" than to "Treug-". I'm inclined to believe that the preferred Medieval Latin word for "Truce" was "Tregua" rather than "Treuga". Cngsoft 19:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
During the medieval period the Catholic Church in Europe applied spiritual sanctions to limit the violence of private war in feudal society. The principal means of these sanctions were Pax Dei, "Peace of God" or Treuga Dei "The Truce of God" .
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 15:48, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Especially to those of you who have contributed so far in 2018, without signing in. Even though I edited your edits, they were excellent contributions to the article. I hope I have preserved their intent. And I hope you will be interested in overhauling this entry. It needs (and deserves) a lot of work.
Gibbon's Thesis, for instance, is given a lot of room above the fold and at best should be relegated to something more resembling a footnote. Meanwhile, the rise of Castelan culture and the roots of feudal violence in the Viking Age should surely be given more prominence and coverage. Fb2ts ( talk) 17:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Start-Class yes, Low-important - far from it. Fb2ts ( talk) 17:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
I propose, furthermore, that some effort should be made to make the article engaging to the average reader and that a fair number of the references cited should be relatively easy to find, in a library or bookstore. Fb2ts ( talk) 18:01, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey everyone. I think this article could do with some reshuffling/restructuring. Currently I don't think it flows, and it's hard to tell what some of the sections are supposed to mean. Is Background supposed to be the history leading up to legal/social conditions for the movement? Why is there a quote in the introductory paragraph? I think moving paragraphs around and having clearer headings would go a long way to improving readability for this article. Gold Broth ( talk) 19:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)