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For over 100 years in various media and, recently, at Wikipedia, it has been claimed that the Paus family are noble. Explaining that this claim exists and what it is based on, but excluding several arguments and aspects that contradict it, this claim is often presented in a very subtile way, for example like this:
This and similar tendentiously mixed fragments of information are used to communicate 'the Paus family are de facto noble'. The last sentence says in fact that the Pope (who, by the way, is not the fons honorum in Norway) recognised the claim.
The claim has become so established, i.e. known to many people in Norway, that it oughts to be argued agianst, especially when the claim is presented indirectly or directly in this article.
I will shortly explain why the Paus family cannot be recognised as noble. I am the author of 95 percent of the article Norwegian nobility and informed and competent on this matter. I also possess relevant literature, e.g. the 16th century legislation concerned.
The claim is based upon the family's patrilineal progenitor, Hans Olufsson, who had been granted ex officio a dignity equal to that of a Knight.
The first arguments against the claim are related to legislation:
There are also some historical factors that contradict noble status:
It is possible that the family had some sort of noble status in the generations before Hans Olufsson. Because Hans was a Cannon, it is not unlikely that he were of the lower nobility. However, the 1591 provision has removed any noble status that the family possibly had.
When any indirect or direct claim of nobility is made—this includes subtile claims like the one cited above,—one has to include contradicting facts.
It is intolerable that information supporting the claim may remain in the article whilst contradicting information is deliberately excluded. Are there any suggestions how to solve this neutrality problem? — Breadbasket 17:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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For over 100 years in various media and, recently, at Wikipedia, it has been claimed that the Paus family are noble. Explaining that this claim exists and what it is based on, but excluding several arguments and aspects that contradict it, this claim is often presented in a very subtile way, for example like this:
This and similar tendentiously mixed fragments of information are used to communicate 'the Paus family are de facto noble'. The last sentence says in fact that the Pope (who, by the way, is not the fons honorum in Norway) recognised the claim.
The claim has become so established, i.e. known to many people in Norway, that it oughts to be argued agianst, especially when the claim is presented indirectly or directly in this article.
I will shortly explain why the Paus family cannot be recognised as noble. I am the author of 95 percent of the article Norwegian nobility and informed and competent on this matter. I also possess relevant literature, e.g. the 16th century legislation concerned.
The claim is based upon the family's patrilineal progenitor, Hans Olufsson, who had been granted ex officio a dignity equal to that of a Knight.
The first arguments against the claim are related to legislation:
There are also some historical factors that contradict noble status:
It is possible that the family had some sort of noble status in the generations before Hans Olufsson. Because Hans was a Cannon, it is not unlikely that he were of the lower nobility. However, the 1591 provision has removed any noble status that the family possibly had.
When any indirect or direct claim of nobility is made—this includes subtile claims like the one cited above,—one has to include contradicting facts.
It is intolerable that information supporting the claim may remain in the article whilst contradicting information is deliberately excluded. Are there any suggestions how to solve this neutrality problem? — Breadbasket 17:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)