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This claim cannot be supported and should be taken off. It is well documented that Paul was a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. I am suspecting a Greek Royalist just put it there to support his political agenta.
Yeah, essentially all of the modern Greek kings (since the collapse of the Ottoman yoke) were German, Danish, etc. Where do the Byzantine emperors fit in?
If it's a secret how do we know about it? Are there any documents, or is it hearsay? If the latter, who said it? What was their relationship to Paul or Fouts? And how did they know about it? DrKiernan ( talk) 08:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
It was secret only to the general public of the time, but the affair was well enough known in international high/homosexual society that references to Fouts being the lover of Paul appear in around half dozen biographies and autobiographies of contemporary figures, as well the several roman a clefs listed in the linked Fouts article, none of which you would ever trouble yourself with I'm sure. (You clearly didn't even bother to check the ones I referenced before supplying your edit page comment.) Given that you also deleted the section on Paul and Frederika's political interference (the most marked factor of their reign) shows that you have no regard for the truth, and what I presume you're now demanding is a signed confession from Paul written in Fouts' spoof. However, I'm disinclined to pander to the inadequate. Engleham ( talk) 10:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry pet, you only have my contempt. But best o' luck with trying to whitewash the reputation of a king and his consort who never knew the meaning of constitutional monarchy. Engleham ( talk) 11:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm also in favour of removing any information regarding Fouts given that:
a) Assuming that Paul and Fouts were lovers, the only information regarding their relationship was on a cruise to the Aegean. A vacation-trip is an otherwise unmentionable biographical detail in an article that is supposed to serve as a primer for those attempting to find information regarding the life of the King of Greece. b) There is more information about Fouts in the opening paragraph then there is about Paul's own life. - 157.252.147.85 ( talk) 16:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I placed the element of his possible sexuality at the bottom of the page. However, someone should really take the time to write an effective article about Paul as the homosexual element really drowns out any other information and achievements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.252.147.85 ( talk) 16:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The sources do not support this paragraph. The sources listed do not say that Fouts "allegedly exaggerated" or that they "may be" myths. They say explicitly that they are myths, that they were inventions and that they were made up. DrKiernan ( talk) 10:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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Nominator: Therealscorp1an ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Cplakidas ( talk · contribs) 21:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
An important article, will take this review on. Constantine ✍ 21:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Therealscorp1an: sorry for the delay, real life tends to be a bit unpredictable lately. Here are my first comments after a first read-through:
Puh, I will stop here. There is a lot to improve, and we are not even half-way into the article. I am willing to shepherd this through section by section, but it will need time. I will continue with the rest of the article once the above comments have been addressed. Constantine ✍ 20:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
As of today, there's still a few things unaddressed from my previous review, even though the corresponding sections were originally striken through. It has also become clear that the article, as it stands, is essentially an (unattributed) translation of the equivalent French article, albeit by someone not entirely familiar with French or English (otherwise I cannot explain things like 'une partie de l'armée' becoming 'a precinct of the army'). Translation issues aside, this poses two problems: First, the main author and nominator of the English article obviously has not read the sources for themselves, and has little actual knowledge of Greek history, as is evident from the replies above or some very vague/incorrect formulations that are the result of poor translation evidently made by someone who doesn't know the actual context. Second, as with the French original, there simply are not enough WP:RS by professional, expert historians in the article, nor is it to be expected that they will be included soon, at least without a major rewrite of the article itself to a form that is quite different to the French original. I am therefore failing this nomination at this time. Constantine ✍ 09:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Weirdly – particularly given it's 2024 – any mention of Paul's bisexuality, however authoritatively cited, is being removed from the article by royal sycophants. This is especially foolish given it was an important aspect of his personality and relationships, and important to understanding the dynamic of his reign – not least his marriage to the ballbreaking fascist Frederika, who effectively set the majority of the country against the monarchy. The Henry Channon diaries unequivocally and matter of factly detail Paul's bisexuality, and should be used a source (e.g.Henry 'Chips' Chanon: The Diaries 1938-43, Penguin, London 2022, fn429.), but there are other good sources as well. He was basically a bisexual rake in his youth. Excluding mention of the nature of his sexuality paints a false picture of the man, and his life. 120.148.165.123 ( talk) 13:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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This claim cannot be supported and should be taken off. It is well documented that Paul was a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. I am suspecting a Greek Royalist just put it there to support his political agenta.
Yeah, essentially all of the modern Greek kings (since the collapse of the Ottoman yoke) were German, Danish, etc. Where do the Byzantine emperors fit in?
If it's a secret how do we know about it? Are there any documents, or is it hearsay? If the latter, who said it? What was their relationship to Paul or Fouts? And how did they know about it? DrKiernan ( talk) 08:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
It was secret only to the general public of the time, but the affair was well enough known in international high/homosexual society that references to Fouts being the lover of Paul appear in around half dozen biographies and autobiographies of contemporary figures, as well the several roman a clefs listed in the linked Fouts article, none of which you would ever trouble yourself with I'm sure. (You clearly didn't even bother to check the ones I referenced before supplying your edit page comment.) Given that you also deleted the section on Paul and Frederika's political interference (the most marked factor of their reign) shows that you have no regard for the truth, and what I presume you're now demanding is a signed confession from Paul written in Fouts' spoof. However, I'm disinclined to pander to the inadequate. Engleham ( talk) 10:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry pet, you only have my contempt. But best o' luck with trying to whitewash the reputation of a king and his consort who never knew the meaning of constitutional monarchy. Engleham ( talk) 11:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm also in favour of removing any information regarding Fouts given that:
a) Assuming that Paul and Fouts were lovers, the only information regarding their relationship was on a cruise to the Aegean. A vacation-trip is an otherwise unmentionable biographical detail in an article that is supposed to serve as a primer for those attempting to find information regarding the life of the King of Greece. b) There is more information about Fouts in the opening paragraph then there is about Paul's own life. - 157.252.147.85 ( talk) 16:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I placed the element of his possible sexuality at the bottom of the page. However, someone should really take the time to write an effective article about Paul as the homosexual element really drowns out any other information and achievements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.252.147.85 ( talk) 16:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The sources do not support this paragraph. The sources listed do not say that Fouts "allegedly exaggerated" or that they "may be" myths. They say explicitly that they are myths, that they were inventions and that they were made up. DrKiernan ( talk) 10:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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An image used in this article,
File:Greek 30 Drachma coin 1863.JPG, has been nominated for deletion at
Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests March 2012
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
To take part in any discussion, or to review a more detailed deletion rationale please visit the relevant image page (File:Greek 30 Drachma coin 1863.JPG) This is Bot placed notification, another user has nominated/tagged the image -- CommonsNotificationBot ( talk) 20:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Therealscorp1an ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Cplakidas ( talk · contribs) 21:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
An important article, will take this review on. Constantine ✍ 21:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Therealscorp1an: sorry for the delay, real life tends to be a bit unpredictable lately. Here are my first comments after a first read-through:
Puh, I will stop here. There is a lot to improve, and we are not even half-way into the article. I am willing to shepherd this through section by section, but it will need time. I will continue with the rest of the article once the above comments have been addressed. Constantine ✍ 20:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
As of today, there's still a few things unaddressed from my previous review, even though the corresponding sections were originally striken through. It has also become clear that the article, as it stands, is essentially an (unattributed) translation of the equivalent French article, albeit by someone not entirely familiar with French or English (otherwise I cannot explain things like 'une partie de l'armée' becoming 'a precinct of the army'). Translation issues aside, this poses two problems: First, the main author and nominator of the English article obviously has not read the sources for themselves, and has little actual knowledge of Greek history, as is evident from the replies above or some very vague/incorrect formulations that are the result of poor translation evidently made by someone who doesn't know the actual context. Second, as with the French original, there simply are not enough WP:RS by professional, expert historians in the article, nor is it to be expected that they will be included soon, at least without a major rewrite of the article itself to a form that is quite different to the French original. I am therefore failing this nomination at this time. Constantine ✍ 09:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Weirdly – particularly given it's 2024 – any mention of Paul's bisexuality, however authoritatively cited, is being removed from the article by royal sycophants. This is especially foolish given it was an important aspect of his personality and relationships, and important to understanding the dynamic of his reign – not least his marriage to the ballbreaking fascist Frederika, who effectively set the majority of the country against the monarchy. The Henry Channon diaries unequivocally and matter of factly detail Paul's bisexuality, and should be used a source (e.g.Henry 'Chips' Chanon: The Diaries 1938-43, Penguin, London 2022, fn429.), but there are other good sources as well. He was basically a bisexual rake in his youth. Excluding mention of the nature of his sexuality paints a false picture of the man, and his life. 120.148.165.123 ( talk) 13:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC)