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http://bmarcore.perso.neuf.fr/tennis/champions/lenglen/Lenglen-03.html In ictu oculi ( talk) 16:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
The following two French sources were deleted as part of move from Paul Féret to Paul Feret:
Restored. Just because this is not a BLP doesn't mean deletion of accurate sources on name-spelling is justified. In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved -- JHunterJ ( talk) 12:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
– Sorry folks to add this, but less pain all round in the long run to draw a clean line. Tidying up Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons loose ends, adding these 6th and 7th BLPs onto Talk:Stephane Huet (sic) + 4 other BLPs RM (for all the same i-vi WP guidelines as given at Talk:Stephane Huet) since might as well do them at the same time, and would then have all 10,000 or so French-citizen Living People on en.wp at their French names. Additional notes (1) The name Féret is already in common usage in English among wine-drinkers, far more notable than a 1930s tennis stub. (2) Likewise the surname Lefèvre has 16x French citizen en.wp articles of which all (including Sophie Lefèvre originally, which was actually created at the correct spelling 23 September 2010) are/were at correct spelling. [prior to what looks like a gamed contested move which started from the unilateral move rather than restoring status quo and starting from 10-month stub history]. Anyway, purpose of adding 6th and 7th BLPs is to enterrer la hache de tennis, at least for French BLPs... In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Fyunck, I like the capital "T" as if Tennis was actually a separate country (or planet?) but I doubt many Wikipedians will want that in the lede of BLPs since the Fédération Française de Tennis (which note, exists on en.wp with accents) has in its annals that M. Féret was called "Féret." Please see Aux origines de l'exclusion du tennis des Jeux olympiques which has the following concerning Féret's exceptional readmission to amateur status in 1929:
Les procès-verbaux des Commissions de la Fédération française de tennis montrent bien que la requalification d’un professionnel en amateur est encore exceptionnelle. La requalification de Paul Féret en 1929 introduira une ouverture réglementaire, mais, deux ans plus tôt, les débats sont encore très virulents sur ce point au sein de la Fédération.
That would suggest that wherever " Tennis" is, it doesn't include the Fédération Française de Tennis, nor monsieur Féret.... Please listen to the voice of all the editors who have asked you to kindly stop inserting this and similar lines into ledes. You must know it's not WP:OPENPARA for BLPs. In ictu oculi ( talk) 09:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
It seems there is no way to prevent Fyunck adding in "René Lacoste known in Tennis as Rene Lacoste" into BLP ledes. About 20 of the 100 BLPs he's done this to have had it removed, per WP:MOSPN#Diacritrics and WP:OPENPARA, at least 20 editors have told him it is nonsense, including even those who are anti-"foreign names" for "foreigners" as titles. Not one editor supports this, but he persists. As of today all of the 100 BLPs he's added this in still have it. Short of 3 editors a day patrolling the 100 or so BLPs with this problem to revert/remove this, what way is there to prevent this being added in? In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Subsidiaries of the ITF? I guess we'll need some sources for that. I didn't say it was an error, I said they probably pulled it in verbatim. I have no problem with checking all the English sources and if more use diacritics then we go with that. You are the one saying to throw that out and not use the sources, not me. My point of view for this English wikipedia is to follow the English sources and the ITF, ATP, WTA etc... and use the most common term for the title. This is overwhelmingly the English alphabet. Your point of view is to bury common English and use whatever foreign language the player speaks, regardless of English sourcing. I would reconsider that if I were you. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Restating the name without diacritics adds no information, any reader can do that mentally. This is equivalent to saying "some English sources don't include diacritics". Well, we already knew that. Adding this "known in Tennis" seems to be an attempt to make some kind of point rather than improving the encyclopedia or benefiting readers. -- P.T. Aufrette ( talk) 22:49, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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http://bmarcore.perso.neuf.fr/tennis/champions/lenglen/Lenglen-03.html In ictu oculi ( talk) 16:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
The following two French sources were deleted as part of move from Paul Féret to Paul Feret:
Restored. Just because this is not a BLP doesn't mean deletion of accurate sources on name-spelling is justified. In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved -- JHunterJ ( talk) 12:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
– Sorry folks to add this, but less pain all round in the long run to draw a clean line. Tidying up Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons loose ends, adding these 6th and 7th BLPs onto Talk:Stephane Huet (sic) + 4 other BLPs RM (for all the same i-vi WP guidelines as given at Talk:Stephane Huet) since might as well do them at the same time, and would then have all 10,000 or so French-citizen Living People on en.wp at their French names. Additional notes (1) The name Féret is already in common usage in English among wine-drinkers, far more notable than a 1930s tennis stub. (2) Likewise the surname Lefèvre has 16x French citizen en.wp articles of which all (including Sophie Lefèvre originally, which was actually created at the correct spelling 23 September 2010) are/were at correct spelling. [prior to what looks like a gamed contested move which started from the unilateral move rather than restoring status quo and starting from 10-month stub history]. Anyway, purpose of adding 6th and 7th BLPs is to enterrer la hache de tennis, at least for French BLPs... In ictu oculi ( talk) 03:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Fyunck, I like the capital "T" as if Tennis was actually a separate country (or planet?) but I doubt many Wikipedians will want that in the lede of BLPs since the Fédération Française de Tennis (which note, exists on en.wp with accents) has in its annals that M. Féret was called "Féret." Please see Aux origines de l'exclusion du tennis des Jeux olympiques which has the following concerning Féret's exceptional readmission to amateur status in 1929:
Les procès-verbaux des Commissions de la Fédération française de tennis montrent bien que la requalification d’un professionnel en amateur est encore exceptionnelle. La requalification de Paul Féret en 1929 introduira une ouverture réglementaire, mais, deux ans plus tôt, les débats sont encore très virulents sur ce point au sein de la Fédération.
That would suggest that wherever " Tennis" is, it doesn't include the Fédération Française de Tennis, nor monsieur Féret.... Please listen to the voice of all the editors who have asked you to kindly stop inserting this and similar lines into ledes. You must know it's not WP:OPENPARA for BLPs. In ictu oculi ( talk) 09:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
It seems there is no way to prevent Fyunck adding in "René Lacoste known in Tennis as Rene Lacoste" into BLP ledes. About 20 of the 100 BLPs he's done this to have had it removed, per WP:MOSPN#Diacritrics and WP:OPENPARA, at least 20 editors have told him it is nonsense, including even those who are anti-"foreign names" for "foreigners" as titles. Not one editor supports this, but he persists. As of today all of the 100 BLPs he's added this in still have it. Short of 3 editors a day patrolling the 100 or so BLPs with this problem to revert/remove this, what way is there to prevent this being added in? In ictu oculi ( talk) 04:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Subsidiaries of the ITF? I guess we'll need some sources for that. I didn't say it was an error, I said they probably pulled it in verbatim. I have no problem with checking all the English sources and if more use diacritics then we go with that. You are the one saying to throw that out and not use the sources, not me. My point of view for this English wikipedia is to follow the English sources and the ITF, ATP, WTA etc... and use the most common term for the title. This is overwhelmingly the English alphabet. Your point of view is to bury common English and use whatever foreign language the player speaks, regardless of English sourcing. I would reconsider that if I were you. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 20:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Restating the name without diacritics adds no information, any reader can do that mentally. This is equivalent to saying "some English sources don't include diacritics". Well, we already knew that. Adding this "known in Tennis" seems to be an attempt to make some kind of point rather than improving the encyclopedia or benefiting readers. -- P.T. Aufrette ( talk) 22:49, 20 April 2012 (UTC)