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This article is now going to be subject to a concerted drive to take it to Good Article and then Featured Article status. As such, in the next few days the content will change significantly; firstly all WP:OR will be tagged to assist editors in finding citations. Let's do it.
Thanks to all the collaborators on this. Some tasks / questions:
That'll do for now. -- Dweller 22:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Much of this page seems to be a poorly disguised copyvio of [2], which we even use as a reference for the article. I don't really know the ins and outs of copyright law, but I think that some rewording might be in order, just to distance the two articles. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I have left some comments in the text. Obviously the Template:Fls need fixing. The "Early and personal life" piece is rather brief - parents? siblings? Did he play school or club cricket? The "caught sub" thing would be nice to include, if we can find a reference. A brief mention of the 3rd and 4th Tests in Australia in 2007 would be good, as it currently leaps from the 2nd to the 5th. Done that The Rambling Man 08:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
And I would swap the World Cup infoboxes for categories - did he actually play in 2003? Otherwise, very nice. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Still works fine for me ( [3]). It is dated 18 Feb 2005 and reads :
Paul Collingwood closes in on World Record!
Durham CCC`s Paul Collingwood needs to take just one more catch as an England substitute to equal the world record! Paul has whizzed past the UK record, which was previously 3, and now needs just one more catch to go level with India`s W V Raman who has taken 7 catches as a substitute. If Paul keeps going at his present rate it shouldn`t take long!
If you`re interested in finding out more about what cricket lovers do in winter why not join the Durham and North East branch of the Cricket Society? The DNECS, whose journal kindly sourced the information about Paul`s close proximity to the record, meet once a month in the off-season giving cricket enthusiasts the perfect opportunity to keep up to date with events over the winter.
The next meeting, which author Stephen Chalke is attending, is being held on Thursday 3 March at Durham County Cricket Club (Member`s Lounge), 7 for 7.30pm.
The Cricket Society`s Annual Dinner is being held on Thursday 7th April at the Riverside.
For more details please contact Ian Jackson via e-mail, (rm email) Tintin 12:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
In a sport of obscure records, that one's very very obscure, lol. We've finished the peer review comments and I'm off to nom this for FA. We can still add this in at any point. -- Dweller 13:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
It's great to see that this article is (hopefully) heading towards FA status! User:Oliver Brown was kind enough to ask me to create some of my batting graphs, so here they are. I've done both Test and ODI graphs. I'll leave it to the regular editors here to decide where they should go in the article. Of course, if you have any suggestions for changes please contact me. Raven4x4x 23:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The results of the requested automated review (I removed the non-relevant parts):
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, AZ t 23:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added the graph above and a table breaking down performance versus countries for ODIs. I plan to add something similar for Test matches also. I'm not particularly happy with the section title or the layout - if anyone can improve either, then please do! → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Great work to all involved. User:Dweller is about to nom it for FA, it's undergone 288 edits in the past 5.5 days. Amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it. The Rambling Man 13:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The "allround ..." quote in the lead section jumps out at me as "allround" is not a word. I note, however, that it exactly as per the cited reference. I see that a lot of work has been in progress on this article recently, so I have not been bold in making a change. Indeed, the consensus may be that it is fine as it is. Mcpgv 16:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I'd be fine with a "[sic]". -- Dweller 18:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Cited my many commentators as being pivotal in Paul's career (and symptomatic of the 'grit' as they tend to say) was his time spent in Australia playing grade cricket in 2000-2001. The first reference I found to this was at his cricinfo profile, but I've often heard it mentioned, including by a few Aussie mates, as to why he gets a grudging respect from them - he's been over there and done it. He won the Jack Ryder medal for best player in a season. I mention this because I think it's important enough in the context of his career in terms of a) some interesting detail, b) the achievement c) How important he sees it in his career and d) context and emphasising the kind of guy that Colly is. Any thoughts?
It looks like he played for Richmond Cricket Club as cited in this BBC Article.
This time last year the Durham all-rounder was playing grade cricket in Melbourne, hoping to build on five promising yet unfulfilling years in county cricket. [...] "It's all about training the brain. Believe in yourself and be confident you deserve to be on that international stage," he says.
"I used to think I was good psychologically, but after Australia last year, I knew I had to lift my game by 30 per cent if I was going to build on five mediocre years at Durham.
"My first-class career average with the bat was only 26 and with a wicket every 22 overs, I needed a neck brace to track where the ball was being hit off me sometimes."
Collingwood came back from playing for Richmond in Melbourne with an award that underlined his progress.
He shared the Jack Ryder award, handed out by the grade umpires for the best performances week in,week out. So he was at last hinting at consistency.
"That was important to me,knowing that I was surviving in such a competitive environment. You could go three weeks without getting a bat out there and I just had to toughen up.
"Playing on such good wickets, I was letting the ball come later, using my feet better. I felt very confident when I started playing again for Durham last April."
Also from Leeds Today Article
Collingwood's ascent from county cricket to the international scene came in 2001 against Pakistan, a few months after what he believes was his career-defining moment. He spent the previous winter playing for Richmond in Melbourne and finished that stint by sharing the Jack Ryder medal, the award for the best player in Victorian grade cricket. "It won't seem much to people at home but winning the Ryder medal is quite a major thing, especially for a Pommie to win it in their backyard," reflected Collingwood. "It signalled a major improvement in my game; I had played county cricket for four years then and my stats gave no justification for playing for England. "When I went there I was averaging 26 with the bat but since I came back that has been doubled, with no major change in my technique or anything like that. "I just came back from Australia with a lot of confidence in my own ability, a belief that I can adapt to any situation and succeed."
I'll delete these quotes if you feel they shouldn't be here-- Gavinio 23:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone please give the link to the page in which the Wisden Cricketers for the year 2007 are announced? I could not find it anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.175.40 ( talk • contribs)
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As this page is marked with a star, it is suppposed to be one of the better on wiki. The graphs however are 2 years out of date, any chance of an update? 86.139.235.80 ( talk) 22:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
The article says "Off the field, Collingwood writes a fortnightly column for BBC Online, in which he revealed that he likes to relax "by playing golf and going to the gym"". This seems to have been added some years ago and I can't find any recent columns by Collingwood on the BBC nor any source saying that the column had stopped. It seems to have stopped around 2007, but that's just my OR. I'd propose:
Thoughts? -- Mkativerata ( talk) 23:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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There seems to be a major coverage imbalance here, with the article focusing on his international career and very little on his domestic career (and almost nothing about the IPL). Brutannica ( talk) 16:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
[( http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-championship-division-2-2017/content/story/1091693.html)] -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 14:18, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
This is quite an old FA now, and there are a few issues which make me think an FAR might be needed.
There is nothing impossible to manage here, but the article needs a little attention and TLC to bring it up to date. Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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This article is now going to be subject to a concerted drive to take it to Good Article and then Featured Article status. As such, in the next few days the content will change significantly; firstly all WP:OR will be tagged to assist editors in finding citations. Let's do it.
Thanks to all the collaborators on this. Some tasks / questions:
That'll do for now. -- Dweller 22:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Much of this page seems to be a poorly disguised copyvio of [2], which we even use as a reference for the article. I don't really know the ins and outs of copyright law, but I think that some rewording might be in order, just to distance the two articles. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I have left some comments in the text. Obviously the Template:Fls need fixing. The "Early and personal life" piece is rather brief - parents? siblings? Did he play school or club cricket? The "caught sub" thing would be nice to include, if we can find a reference. A brief mention of the 3rd and 4th Tests in Australia in 2007 would be good, as it currently leaps from the 2nd to the 5th. Done that The Rambling Man 08:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
And I would swap the World Cup infoboxes for categories - did he actually play in 2003? Otherwise, very nice. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Still works fine for me ( [3]). It is dated 18 Feb 2005 and reads :
Paul Collingwood closes in on World Record!
Durham CCC`s Paul Collingwood needs to take just one more catch as an England substitute to equal the world record! Paul has whizzed past the UK record, which was previously 3, and now needs just one more catch to go level with India`s W V Raman who has taken 7 catches as a substitute. If Paul keeps going at his present rate it shouldn`t take long!
If you`re interested in finding out more about what cricket lovers do in winter why not join the Durham and North East branch of the Cricket Society? The DNECS, whose journal kindly sourced the information about Paul`s close proximity to the record, meet once a month in the off-season giving cricket enthusiasts the perfect opportunity to keep up to date with events over the winter.
The next meeting, which author Stephen Chalke is attending, is being held on Thursday 3 March at Durham County Cricket Club (Member`s Lounge), 7 for 7.30pm.
The Cricket Society`s Annual Dinner is being held on Thursday 7th April at the Riverside.
For more details please contact Ian Jackson via e-mail, (rm email) Tintin 12:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
In a sport of obscure records, that one's very very obscure, lol. We've finished the peer review comments and I'm off to nom this for FA. We can still add this in at any point. -- Dweller 13:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
It's great to see that this article is (hopefully) heading towards FA status! User:Oliver Brown was kind enough to ask me to create some of my batting graphs, so here they are. I've done both Test and ODI graphs. I'll leave it to the regular editors here to decide where they should go in the article. Of course, if you have any suggestions for changes please contact me. Raven4x4x 23:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
The results of the requested automated review (I removed the non-relevant parts):
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, AZ t 23:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added the graph above and a table breaking down performance versus countries for ODIs. I plan to add something similar for Test matches also. I'm not particularly happy with the section title or the layout - if anyone can improve either, then please do! → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Great work to all involved. User:Dweller is about to nom it for FA, it's undergone 288 edits in the past 5.5 days. Amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it. The Rambling Man 13:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The "allround ..." quote in the lead section jumps out at me as "allround" is not a word. I note, however, that it exactly as per the cited reference. I see that a lot of work has been in progress on this article recently, so I have not been bold in making a change. Indeed, the consensus may be that it is fine as it is. Mcpgv 16:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I'd be fine with a "[sic]". -- Dweller 18:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Cited my many commentators as being pivotal in Paul's career (and symptomatic of the 'grit' as they tend to say) was his time spent in Australia playing grade cricket in 2000-2001. The first reference I found to this was at his cricinfo profile, but I've often heard it mentioned, including by a few Aussie mates, as to why he gets a grudging respect from them - he's been over there and done it. He won the Jack Ryder medal for best player in a season. I mention this because I think it's important enough in the context of his career in terms of a) some interesting detail, b) the achievement c) How important he sees it in his career and d) context and emphasising the kind of guy that Colly is. Any thoughts?
It looks like he played for Richmond Cricket Club as cited in this BBC Article.
This time last year the Durham all-rounder was playing grade cricket in Melbourne, hoping to build on five promising yet unfulfilling years in county cricket. [...] "It's all about training the brain. Believe in yourself and be confident you deserve to be on that international stage," he says.
"I used to think I was good psychologically, but after Australia last year, I knew I had to lift my game by 30 per cent if I was going to build on five mediocre years at Durham.
"My first-class career average with the bat was only 26 and with a wicket every 22 overs, I needed a neck brace to track where the ball was being hit off me sometimes."
Collingwood came back from playing for Richmond in Melbourne with an award that underlined his progress.
He shared the Jack Ryder award, handed out by the grade umpires for the best performances week in,week out. So he was at last hinting at consistency.
"That was important to me,knowing that I was surviving in such a competitive environment. You could go three weeks without getting a bat out there and I just had to toughen up.
"Playing on such good wickets, I was letting the ball come later, using my feet better. I felt very confident when I started playing again for Durham last April."
Also from Leeds Today Article
Collingwood's ascent from county cricket to the international scene came in 2001 against Pakistan, a few months after what he believes was his career-defining moment. He spent the previous winter playing for Richmond in Melbourne and finished that stint by sharing the Jack Ryder medal, the award for the best player in Victorian grade cricket. "It won't seem much to people at home but winning the Ryder medal is quite a major thing, especially for a Pommie to win it in their backyard," reflected Collingwood. "It signalled a major improvement in my game; I had played county cricket for four years then and my stats gave no justification for playing for England. "When I went there I was averaging 26 with the bat but since I came back that has been doubled, with no major change in my technique or anything like that. "I just came back from Australia with a lot of confidence in my own ability, a belief that I can adapt to any situation and succeed."
I'll delete these quotes if you feel they shouldn't be here-- Gavinio 23:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone please give the link to the page in which the Wisden Cricketers for the year 2007 are announced? I could not find it anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.128.175.40 ( talk • contribs)
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: |first=
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Nick Boalch\
talk 09:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Collys actions today (see here) are causing some serious uproar. I have protected this page initially. It will probably blow over soon so an admin can unprotect if they feel any backlash is no longer on its way. SGGH speak! 18:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
As this page is marked with a star, it is suppposed to be one of the better on wiki. The graphs however are 2 years out of date, any chance of an update? 86.139.235.80 ( talk) 22:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
The article says "Off the field, Collingwood writes a fortnightly column for BBC Online, in which he revealed that he likes to relax "by playing golf and going to the gym"". This seems to have been added some years ago and I can't find any recent columns by Collingwood on the BBC nor any source saying that the column had stopped. It seems to have stopped around 2007, but that's just my OR. I'd propose:
Thoughts? -- Mkativerata ( talk) 23:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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There seems to be a major coverage imbalance here, with the article focusing on his international career and very little on his domestic career (and almost nothing about the IPL). Brutannica ( talk) 16:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
[( http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-championship-division-2-2017/content/story/1091693.html)] -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 14:18, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
This is quite an old FA now, and there are a few issues which make me think an FAR might be needed.
There is nothing impossible to manage here, but the article needs a little attention and TLC to bring it up to date. Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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