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Most of these 36 references are blogs, listings, or otherwise self-published material, not to speak that most are actually just one and the same reference. That's a far cry from "properly referenced". MLauba ( talk) 22:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
This section contains repetitive detail--i.e. a series of reviews, largely by the survivalst community--that may be confusing to the general interest reader. I think we can remove some of the smaller sources and retain a representative selection of views without losing content. I'll try to make this edit in the next 24 hours or so... -- Whoosit ( talk) 16:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I want to explain some of my removals. First off, I'm not trying to get the article deleted or cause trouble. There's just an overwhelming amount of sources that should not be here. Merchant sources should never be used as sources and it doesn't matter what they use as a way of summarizing the story or as a blurb. It doesn't count towards notability in the slightest and is irrelevant as far as Wikipedia goes. On a fan wiki? Sure, but not here. I also removed a lot of blogs that wouldn't be considered a reliable source here on Wikipedia. Blogs can only be used if they're by someone that's considered to be a very important and very recognized authority, meaning that to be usable the person would have to pretty much be notable themselves. I also removed a lot of primary sources. Primary sources are things released by the author, their publisher, anyone involved with the author at all. The only time they can be used is if it's backed up by multiple independent and reliable sources. I also removed a link that didn't mention the author or this book at all. Such links don't really help the article much at all and aren't really necessary. There's other things, but this is the major stuff. Tokyogirl79 ( talk) 04:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Another editor deleted the WP pages for both of the sequels to this novel. I have restored those pages. Since they were both New York Times best-sellers, they certainly merit having WP pages. Please seek consensus before making deletion decisions for extant WP pages that have already been in development for several months. DiligenceDude ( talk) 21:36, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
The article as it is today is purely a promotion vehicle for the author and his (mostly self-published) books. Not one single word of criticism is allowed. Full of trivia, either unsourced or sourced to the author. And looking at the edit history, you see that the author himself is actively editing the article, in a massive WP:COI. I looked at the article to find what the books were about. Since I'm not into survivalist/gun nut porn, I'll give them a pass. I don't have the time to try to clean up the article, the author would just revert everything anyway. 202.81.249.94 ( talk) 14:18, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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Most of these 36 references are blogs, listings, or otherwise self-published material, not to speak that most are actually just one and the same reference. That's a far cry from "properly referenced". MLauba ( talk) 22:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
This section contains repetitive detail--i.e. a series of reviews, largely by the survivalst community--that may be confusing to the general interest reader. I think we can remove some of the smaller sources and retain a representative selection of views without losing content. I'll try to make this edit in the next 24 hours or so... -- Whoosit ( talk) 16:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I want to explain some of my removals. First off, I'm not trying to get the article deleted or cause trouble. There's just an overwhelming amount of sources that should not be here. Merchant sources should never be used as sources and it doesn't matter what they use as a way of summarizing the story or as a blurb. It doesn't count towards notability in the slightest and is irrelevant as far as Wikipedia goes. On a fan wiki? Sure, but not here. I also removed a lot of blogs that wouldn't be considered a reliable source here on Wikipedia. Blogs can only be used if they're by someone that's considered to be a very important and very recognized authority, meaning that to be usable the person would have to pretty much be notable themselves. I also removed a lot of primary sources. Primary sources are things released by the author, their publisher, anyone involved with the author at all. The only time they can be used is if it's backed up by multiple independent and reliable sources. I also removed a link that didn't mention the author or this book at all. Such links don't really help the article much at all and aren't really necessary. There's other things, but this is the major stuff. Tokyogirl79 ( talk) 04:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Another editor deleted the WP pages for both of the sequels to this novel. I have restored those pages. Since they were both New York Times best-sellers, they certainly merit having WP pages. Please seek consensus before making deletion decisions for extant WP pages that have already been in development for several months. DiligenceDude ( talk) 21:36, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
The article as it is today is purely a promotion vehicle for the author and his (mostly self-published) books. Not one single word of criticism is allowed. Full of trivia, either unsourced or sourced to the author. And looking at the edit history, you see that the author himself is actively editing the article, in a massive WP:COI. I looked at the article to find what the books were about. Since I'm not into survivalist/gun nut porn, I'll give them a pass. I don't have the time to try to clean up the article, the author would just revert everything anyway. 202.81.249.94 ( talk) 14:18, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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