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I personally know at least one intern he had sex with. Where are the references to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.209.0.251 ( talk) 19:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
It seems a lot of the issues mentioned below are by IP 65.40.234.49. Should this be pursued by the admins? I'm not going to try to hold a one-person whinefest here, but it certainly seems that that IP (and the Jason Deans IP) are clearly editing to hide or otherwise maliciously damage information (I'm under the impression it's McHenry staffers). Thoughts? -- Ziegfest ( talk) 04:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
To all the anonymous editors: quit unilaterally removing content without a good reason and/or consensus.-- RedShiftPA ( talk) 01:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
According to voter registration applications uncovered by Mike Rogers of BlogActive.com, two other men, Matthew Allen Hamilton and Neil Everett Capano, have also registered to vote using Rep. McHenry's home address. Another man, Jason Jent Deans, registered and voted in McHenry's district but used an address outside of the district to receive payments from the McHenry campaign. [1]
Upon a semi-revert war with User:Kallahan, I slightly changed the post I made to be more NPOV by not mentioning the blogs, however, I simultaneously added another link to prove that the term "liberal blogs" is legitimate. This should end this dispute, and no further editing is necessary, as it is clear that this should agree with both of our positions, as the facts are preserved. Also, apologies on the "Preceded" typo. -- 152.17.138.92 ( talk) 18:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
As it says at the top of this discussion page: "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous." The more controversial a claim, the more reputable the source required, generally speaking. Speculation in a blog, unless reported on by notable mainstream media (and then cited to those sources), is unlikely to be a suitable source for such accusations and claims. Vassyana ( talk) 04:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I accept the current incarnation of the page, but I suggest the community assess whether the speculation contained in the second-half of the Controversy section (previously entitled "OPSEC Violation Video in Iraq's Green Zone possibly resulting in three deaths") should be here at all. I worry that the edits made by 152.17.138.92 are meant to make this article decidedly non-NPOV and, rather than encyclopedic, a partisan outgrowth of political blogs. -- Kallahan ( talk) 19:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
"Baby of the House" is not a term used in the United States. McHenry is simply referred to as the youngest member of Congress. This should be removed when the edit protection expires. JTRH ( talk) 10:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the controversy section entirely, in keeping with WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP, especially WP:TABLOID. It is simply unacceptable to dominate an article on a living individual with the nine days' wonder of a tabloid flap over a careless comment. The news media are primary sources in this respect and, crucially, they never go back and say "oh, well, we over-reacted a bit there" - they are all about vividness, not impact. We should step back and see how weightier more analytical secondary sources describe this. A short placeholder is fine, but at the earliest opportunity we should go to less immediatist sources - even Newsweek would be a good start, or the Wall Street Journal's overseas edition, which does a remarkably good job of condensing the meat of silly political dramas. If it's not a resignation issue (which it does not appear to be, just routine election time dramatisation of everything any politician says), then we should not overdramatise it ourselves, and we absolutely do not go with blow-by-blow stuff sourced to YouTube, blow by blow belongs on Wikinews and YouTube belongs at dev/null. Feel free to propose a nice short section to be going on with. Guy ( Help!) 21:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
"We spent the night in the Green Zone, in the poolhouse of one of Saddam’s palaces. A little weird, I got to be honest with you. But I felt safe. And so in the morning, I got up early — not that I make this a great habit — but I went to the gym because I just couldn’t sleep and everything else. Well, sure enough, the guard wouldn’t let me in. Said I didn’t have the correct credentials.
Stay on the lookout; it appears our motivated IP friend has gotten a Wikipedia account. Special:Contributions/Atomgryo -- Kallahan ( talk) 20:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Will one-time, poor choices of words, followed by an apology or correction, now be included in all biographies? MANY bios will get quite lengthy, with no added value in content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.61.26 ( talk) 23:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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There are plenty of rumors that Patrick McHenry is gay. This is important to his biography, so I believe that it should be mentioned in his biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I'm Very Good ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Unsubstantiated rumors should be fodder for biographies on Wikipedia? Then there should be an entire page in somebody else's bio re citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.61.26 ( talk) 23:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
The recent edit by 96.231.117.108 smacks far too much of political advertising, which is far beyond any standard of neutrality. Lines like "Congressman McHenry has fought for adequate veterans' health care for his district." are clearly stuff from his own campaign- any Congressman in the world would say the same thing, and it's not necessary to list out his individual votes like merit badges for an overgrown boy scout. If someone doesn't edit this, I may, but we need to somehow retain the important information and get rid of the blatant self-promotion going on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.189.11 ( talk) 14:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Potus128 ( talk) 00:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I removed the last two external links because they both violated NPOV. The second one is a blog that is poorly sourced. Some Members of Congress have external links to their state or national political party, but I can't find any that have hate sites in the list. Ystava ( talk) 01:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
This blog is not in keeping with Wikipedia's standards on biographies of living persons (BLPs). Specifically: "Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.[2]" Potus128 ( talk) 22:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Ziegfest (
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WP:3RR. —Preceding
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I've previously commented on similar issues on this article. [1] This is more or less the same issue. There is a serious concern with even using such sources as external links. Caution must be used with all sources, including external links, in biographical articles. Vassyana ( talk) 14:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
see here. Skomorokh 14:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The fact that he has been served a subpoena isn't newsworthy and shouldn't be in a Wikipedia article. It just means that someone wants him to testify about some unspecified matter in a court case. The only mention of it in anything else online is on a DailyKos post stating simply that he has been subpoenaed followed by posters speculating as to why. If some details about the nature of the testimony sought come out it could become newsworthy, but as of now it simply isn't so I'm removing the mention. GatorOne ( talk) 04:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
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The sections on how he fared in each reelection attempt seem to stop with 2012. An update for 2014 and 2016 would seem to be in order, along with a section about his 2018 opponent. I would do it myself, but I've got a lot on my plate. was simply looking up the information while reading a piece about different districts that might be the subject of a polling site's tweet about a district race that may be closer than it appears. Lawikitejana ( talk) 17:46, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
As there isn't a consensus on wheater he is Acting Speaker pro tempore or not, I think we should talk about it here. My view is that the House Rules [3] are pretty clear and VoA [4] and Business Insider [5] also refer to him as acting. Rogl94 ( talk) 13:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
What do you think of "Acting since" instead of "Assumed office" in the infobox as a compromise? Rogl94 ( talk) 09:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
He was Speaker pro temp, not Acting Speaker pro temp. The "pro temp" bit, means "acting", or temporarily serving. GoodDay ( talk) 04:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
BTW - I made related changes on this matter, at the List of speakers of the United States House of Representatives, Kevin McCarthy & Mike Johnson pages. If we're going to say he was Acting Speaker pro temp, rather than Speaker pro temp? Best to be consistent. PS - Also, I've contacted Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics for more input 'here', on this topic. GoodDay ( talk) 15:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
I moved the 'Acting' note out of the infobox & put it into the page content, while removing the word 'Acting', out of the infobox. I'm hoping this compromise will be accepted. GoodDay ( talk) 02:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
The compromise was rejected. GoodDay ( talk) 17:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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I personally know at least one intern he had sex with. Where are the references to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.209.0.251 ( talk) 19:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
It seems a lot of the issues mentioned below are by IP 65.40.234.49. Should this be pursued by the admins? I'm not going to try to hold a one-person whinefest here, but it certainly seems that that IP (and the Jason Deans IP) are clearly editing to hide or otherwise maliciously damage information (I'm under the impression it's McHenry staffers). Thoughts? -- Ziegfest ( talk) 04:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
To all the anonymous editors: quit unilaterally removing content without a good reason and/or consensus.-- RedShiftPA ( talk) 01:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
According to voter registration applications uncovered by Mike Rogers of BlogActive.com, two other men, Matthew Allen Hamilton and Neil Everett Capano, have also registered to vote using Rep. McHenry's home address. Another man, Jason Jent Deans, registered and voted in McHenry's district but used an address outside of the district to receive payments from the McHenry campaign. [1]
Upon a semi-revert war with User:Kallahan, I slightly changed the post I made to be more NPOV by not mentioning the blogs, however, I simultaneously added another link to prove that the term "liberal blogs" is legitimate. This should end this dispute, and no further editing is necessary, as it is clear that this should agree with both of our positions, as the facts are preserved. Also, apologies on the "Preceded" typo. -- 152.17.138.92 ( talk) 18:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
As it says at the top of this discussion page: "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous." The more controversial a claim, the more reputable the source required, generally speaking. Speculation in a blog, unless reported on by notable mainstream media (and then cited to those sources), is unlikely to be a suitable source for such accusations and claims. Vassyana ( talk) 04:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I accept the current incarnation of the page, but I suggest the community assess whether the speculation contained in the second-half of the Controversy section (previously entitled "OPSEC Violation Video in Iraq's Green Zone possibly resulting in three deaths") should be here at all. I worry that the edits made by 152.17.138.92 are meant to make this article decidedly non-NPOV and, rather than encyclopedic, a partisan outgrowth of political blogs. -- Kallahan ( talk) 19:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
"Baby of the House" is not a term used in the United States. McHenry is simply referred to as the youngest member of Congress. This should be removed when the edit protection expires. JTRH ( talk) 10:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the controversy section entirely, in keeping with WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP, especially WP:TABLOID. It is simply unacceptable to dominate an article on a living individual with the nine days' wonder of a tabloid flap over a careless comment. The news media are primary sources in this respect and, crucially, they never go back and say "oh, well, we over-reacted a bit there" - they are all about vividness, not impact. We should step back and see how weightier more analytical secondary sources describe this. A short placeholder is fine, but at the earliest opportunity we should go to less immediatist sources - even Newsweek would be a good start, or the Wall Street Journal's overseas edition, which does a remarkably good job of condensing the meat of silly political dramas. If it's not a resignation issue (which it does not appear to be, just routine election time dramatisation of everything any politician says), then we should not overdramatise it ourselves, and we absolutely do not go with blow-by-blow stuff sourced to YouTube, blow by blow belongs on Wikinews and YouTube belongs at dev/null. Feel free to propose a nice short section to be going on with. Guy ( Help!) 21:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
"We spent the night in the Green Zone, in the poolhouse of one of Saddam’s palaces. A little weird, I got to be honest with you. But I felt safe. And so in the morning, I got up early — not that I make this a great habit — but I went to the gym because I just couldn’t sleep and everything else. Well, sure enough, the guard wouldn’t let me in. Said I didn’t have the correct credentials.
Stay on the lookout; it appears our motivated IP friend has gotten a Wikipedia account. Special:Contributions/Atomgryo -- Kallahan ( talk) 20:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Will one-time, poor choices of words, followed by an apology or correction, now be included in all biographies? MANY bios will get quite lengthy, with no added value in content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.61.26 ( talk) 23:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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There are plenty of rumors that Patrick McHenry is gay. This is important to his biography, so I believe that it should be mentioned in his biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I'm Very Good ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Unsubstantiated rumors should be fodder for biographies on Wikipedia? Then there should be an entire page in somebody else's bio re citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.61.26 ( talk) 23:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
The recent edit by 96.231.117.108 smacks far too much of political advertising, which is far beyond any standard of neutrality. Lines like "Congressman McHenry has fought for adequate veterans' health care for his district." are clearly stuff from his own campaign- any Congressman in the world would say the same thing, and it's not necessary to list out his individual votes like merit badges for an overgrown boy scout. If someone doesn't edit this, I may, but we need to somehow retain the important information and get rid of the blatant self-promotion going on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.189.11 ( talk) 14:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Potus128 ( talk) 00:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I removed the last two external links because they both violated NPOV. The second one is a blog that is poorly sourced. Some Members of Congress have external links to their state or national political party, but I can't find any that have hate sites in the list. Ystava ( talk) 01:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
This blog is not in keeping with Wikipedia's standards on biographies of living persons (BLPs). Specifically: "Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.[2]" Potus128 ( talk) 22:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Ziegfest (
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WP:3RR. —Preceding
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I've previously commented on similar issues on this article. [1] This is more or less the same issue. There is a serious concern with even using such sources as external links. Caution must be used with all sources, including external links, in biographical articles. Vassyana ( talk) 14:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
see here. Skomorokh 14:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The fact that he has been served a subpoena isn't newsworthy and shouldn't be in a Wikipedia article. It just means that someone wants him to testify about some unspecified matter in a court case. The only mention of it in anything else online is on a DailyKos post stating simply that he has been subpoenaed followed by posters speculating as to why. If some details about the nature of the testimony sought come out it could become newsworthy, but as of now it simply isn't so I'm removing the mention. GatorOne ( talk) 04:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
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The sections on how he fared in each reelection attempt seem to stop with 2012. An update for 2014 and 2016 would seem to be in order, along with a section about his 2018 opponent. I would do it myself, but I've got a lot on my plate. was simply looking up the information while reading a piece about different districts that might be the subject of a polling site's tweet about a district race that may be closer than it appears. Lawikitejana ( talk) 17:46, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
As there isn't a consensus on wheater he is Acting Speaker pro tempore or not, I think we should talk about it here. My view is that the House Rules [3] are pretty clear and VoA [4] and Business Insider [5] also refer to him as acting. Rogl94 ( talk) 13:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
What do you think of "Acting since" instead of "Assumed office" in the infobox as a compromise? Rogl94 ( talk) 09:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
He was Speaker pro temp, not Acting Speaker pro temp. The "pro temp" bit, means "acting", or temporarily serving. GoodDay ( talk) 04:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
BTW - I made related changes on this matter, at the List of speakers of the United States House of Representatives, Kevin McCarthy & Mike Johnson pages. If we're going to say he was Acting Speaker pro temp, rather than Speaker pro temp? Best to be consistent. PS - Also, I've contacted Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics for more input 'here', on this topic. GoodDay ( talk) 15:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
I moved the 'Acting' note out of the infobox & put it into the page content, while removing the word 'Acting', out of the infobox. I'm hoping this compromise will be accepted. GoodDay ( talk) 02:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
The compromise was rejected. GoodDay ( talk) 17:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)