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Why in the world is #6 refered to as "infamous"?
This article reads like it was swiped from some puerile fan magazine article.
Just enquiring about the link to "Patrick McGoohan biography", isn't this blatant product advertising with the link not containing any information additional to the article? Rickd2007 ( talk) 00:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have added bio data from the PATRICK McGOOHAN information page [1]about the movements of his parents in his early life.
As you can see although born in the states and living as a small child in Ireland - Patrick grew up and was largely educated in England.
This all makes a nonsence of the rather pointed jibe about his being claimed for the "British film industry" when in fact Irish-American. So I deleted that as well.
I don't know what Patrick calls himself or what citizenship he holds now - but he was certainly a major part of the British Film and TV world and having been brought up in the UK and educated here - and not really living in the USA until much later in life - I think calling him Irish-American is misleading. 86.20.54.83 19:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Graeme
Why is this so important? He was born in the USA, he lived briefly in Ireland where his parents are from. He lived for much longer in the UK where he was educated, started acting, married and became a star! He know lives in the USA.
Ethnically Irish - whatever that means, maybe. A British TV star - sure. An American - by birth, yeah. Why is it so important to label him Irish? It is hardly the whole picture.
What do ya got against the Irish? If he had Irish parents, he's Irish. Duh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.88.255 ( talk) 19:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Again, why get so worked up? Chip on shoulder time! Yeah he's Irish. But a US citizen so he's American. Raised and began career and became a star in the UK - so he can also be British. Where's the beef? Its's the "Irish Actor" tag I object to - it just doesn't nail it; isn't an accurate summation of his career or background. Daisyabigael ( talk) 23:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody know how PMG refers to himself?
I prefer American-born actor of Irish parentage who rose to fame in the British film and TV industry.
Change it if you like, but please justify doing so. Daisyabigael 13:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! But of course Drake is not McGoohan. Number 6 is clearly British/English. Does anybody know what passports he carries? What he calls himself? Daisyabigael 10:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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I found it odd that his role in this movie was so downplayed. He was the star in it, after all. Also, other than being a Prisoner fanatic myself, I think that what most people know of McGoohan, if anything at all, is his role in this film. Just saying... Huw Powell ( talk) 07:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, have to disagree with you there - he's not the star (unless you mean by his career, and even then he's not what you'd consider a 'star'). His character is a relatively minor one who just propels a couple of plot threads along. Personally I do love his role near the start of the film - that section and the 'infamous scene' (which he is not in, just Michael Ironside and briefly Louis Del Grande), are IMHO the only worthy parts of the film! 58.6.184.26 ( talk) 12:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Just asking a simple question. Odd not to see an image of the person being described in a wiki article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.201.85 ( talk) 00:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Always a tricky problem on Wikipedia, since our policies do not (and arguably cannot) take account of every law everywhere, and nor should they; that is a full-time task in itself. In McGoohan's case, he was born in the USA to Irish parents, but became notable in the UK. To take the latter point first, we might well thus describe him as "British", if not "English". However, he was born in the USA, which, per lex soli, grants him US nationality (since his parents were not illegal immigrants!). Whether he is Irish presents a more difficult problem. Per the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1956, he would have to "declare himself" or be declared by his parents, as Irish. To be sure (to be sure), documentary evidence of this would be critical; the use of the pseudonym "Paddy Fitz" might not be deemed to be authoritative, since such a soubriquet is arguably equally likely to be used by a second or third (or more) generation American citizen of Irish descent. If it can be shown that he ever held an Irish passport, that would be a clincher on that point. For the present, I am disposed to accept "American" (per lex soli) and "British" (per WP:MOSBIO); as for Irish, despite that he is so strongly associated with it, I'd say it needs some work. -- Rodhull andemu 23:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
He apparently told a US interviewer in 1970 that, although he'd been advised that it would be a mere formality for him to acquire US citizenship, he wasn't interested at that time. (He was living in Switzerland.) So he only seems to have taken up the option when he moved to California a few years later. Up to then, he was probably a British citizen, since he lived in Britain for 30 years and could claim citizenship by descent (lex sanguinis), both his parents having been born in the United Kingdom -- that is, in Ireland before 1922 -- which entitled their children to British citizenship despite Ireland's subsequent independence, even if the children were born abroad. He would have had no right to live and work in Britain as a US citizen on reaching majority in 1949 unless he applied either for indefinite leave to remain on family grounds, or for British citizenship. Although he did not do National Service, he may have been given a medical exemption due to his severe bronchial asthma in childhood, a condition that recurred when he was doing that chicken-farm job at about age 19. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 17:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
The IMDB lists "illness" as the cause of his death. If this was the case, was the illness brought on by natural causes?
I can't find the reasons for his death on the Web. For example, one blog claims, "cause of death unknown", in spite of reports on several other sites that an autopsy was performed. Some sites say that the cause of death was withheld by his family. The reasons for his death are of interest to me because he was a smoker who had, IMO, much creative work ahead of him (he was a very active and apparently healthy 80). David spector ( talk) 21:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Of his health I know nought, but he hadn't made a TV or film appearance (even voice only) in 7 years! I don't know if a come-back was ever going to be on the cards. Daisyabigael ( talk) 23:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
The cause of his death unknown as it has never been released. There is a statement that the death was due to "a brief illness", but that link is now dead and has been removed from the Wayback Machine. As a fan of Patrick I wanted to know why he died, and I spend much time after he died looking for clues and posting questions on web boards. I am still trying to find out his cause of death. I have speculated that he may of had a smoking related illness. But there is no evidence to support my speculation. Ty78ejui ( talk) 15:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I was just wondering what american idol teaser ads 'echoed' The Prisoner
I'm still wondering about this. Anyone has credible references? Otherwise it should be removed from the article. Miguel1626 ( talk) 22:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
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I have re-instated the statement that PM only directed three of his appearances as killer. The earlier edit was based on the false presumption that the sentence meant to say he had only been the killer three times. By Dawn's Early Light, PM's first stint as guest villain, was directed by the prolific TV director Harvey Hart. Daisyabigael ( talk) 00:39, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
He was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.115.110.215 ( talk) 10:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I heard he was offered, and turned down, the roles of Gandalf in LOTR and Dumbledore in Harry Potter, because they did not fit his chosen persona of the arrogant, creepy characters. Does anyone know anything about this? Goblinshark17 ( talk) 06:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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I don't know how to make the change myself, but shouldn't this section end after "Tomblin" to avoid saying the same thing twice?
"McGoohan wrote and directed several episodes of The Prisoner himself, occasionally using the pseudonyms Joseph Serf and Paddy Fitz. Apart from being the star, McGoohan was the executive producer, forming Everyman Films with series producer David Tomblin, and also wrote and directed several episodes, in some cases using pseudonyms." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gejopari ( talk • contribs) 06:10, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
McGoohan played a hydrotherapist in " I am a Camera". This was in 1955, hence earlier than any other credited film appearance listed here. I've seen the film, and can confirm that it was indeed credited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.34.79 ( talk) 13:10, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
He was also nominated for a Hugo award.
I'm sure we can consider this person as both American and Irish (or Irish and American) in the lead, since he was born in the United States, has held American citizenship for all his life (that's what I would assume from this article atleast), and has a career that spans both the UK and US. Per
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Why in the world is #6 refered to as "infamous"?
This article reads like it was swiped from some puerile fan magazine article.
Just enquiring about the link to "Patrick McGoohan biography", isn't this blatant product advertising with the link not containing any information additional to the article? Rickd2007 ( talk) 00:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have added bio data from the PATRICK McGOOHAN information page [1]about the movements of his parents in his early life.
As you can see although born in the states and living as a small child in Ireland - Patrick grew up and was largely educated in England.
This all makes a nonsence of the rather pointed jibe about his being claimed for the "British film industry" when in fact Irish-American. So I deleted that as well.
I don't know what Patrick calls himself or what citizenship he holds now - but he was certainly a major part of the British Film and TV world and having been brought up in the UK and educated here - and not really living in the USA until much later in life - I think calling him Irish-American is misleading. 86.20.54.83 19:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Graeme
Why is this so important? He was born in the USA, he lived briefly in Ireland where his parents are from. He lived for much longer in the UK where he was educated, started acting, married and became a star! He know lives in the USA.
Ethnically Irish - whatever that means, maybe. A British TV star - sure. An American - by birth, yeah. Why is it so important to label him Irish? It is hardly the whole picture.
What do ya got against the Irish? If he had Irish parents, he's Irish. Duh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.88.255 ( talk) 19:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Again, why get so worked up? Chip on shoulder time! Yeah he's Irish. But a US citizen so he's American. Raised and began career and became a star in the UK - so he can also be British. Where's the beef? Its's the "Irish Actor" tag I object to - it just doesn't nail it; isn't an accurate summation of his career or background. Daisyabigael ( talk) 23:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody know how PMG refers to himself?
I prefer American-born actor of Irish parentage who rose to fame in the British film and TV industry.
Change it if you like, but please justify doing so. Daisyabigael 13:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! But of course Drake is not McGoohan. Number 6 is clearly British/English. Does anybody know what passports he carries? What he calls himself? Daisyabigael 10:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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I found it odd that his role in this movie was so downplayed. He was the star in it, after all. Also, other than being a Prisoner fanatic myself, I think that what most people know of McGoohan, if anything at all, is his role in this film. Just saying... Huw Powell ( talk) 07:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, have to disagree with you there - he's not the star (unless you mean by his career, and even then he's not what you'd consider a 'star'). His character is a relatively minor one who just propels a couple of plot threads along. Personally I do love his role near the start of the film - that section and the 'infamous scene' (which he is not in, just Michael Ironside and briefly Louis Del Grande), are IMHO the only worthy parts of the film! 58.6.184.26 ( talk) 12:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Just asking a simple question. Odd not to see an image of the person being described in a wiki article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.201.85 ( talk) 00:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Always a tricky problem on Wikipedia, since our policies do not (and arguably cannot) take account of every law everywhere, and nor should they; that is a full-time task in itself. In McGoohan's case, he was born in the USA to Irish parents, but became notable in the UK. To take the latter point first, we might well thus describe him as "British", if not "English". However, he was born in the USA, which, per lex soli, grants him US nationality (since his parents were not illegal immigrants!). Whether he is Irish presents a more difficult problem. Per the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1956, he would have to "declare himself" or be declared by his parents, as Irish. To be sure (to be sure), documentary evidence of this would be critical; the use of the pseudonym "Paddy Fitz" might not be deemed to be authoritative, since such a soubriquet is arguably equally likely to be used by a second or third (or more) generation American citizen of Irish descent. If it can be shown that he ever held an Irish passport, that would be a clincher on that point. For the present, I am disposed to accept "American" (per lex soli) and "British" (per WP:MOSBIO); as for Irish, despite that he is so strongly associated with it, I'd say it needs some work. -- Rodhull andemu 23:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
He apparently told a US interviewer in 1970 that, although he'd been advised that it would be a mere formality for him to acquire US citizenship, he wasn't interested at that time. (He was living in Switzerland.) So he only seems to have taken up the option when he moved to California a few years later. Up to then, he was probably a British citizen, since he lived in Britain for 30 years and could claim citizenship by descent (lex sanguinis), both his parents having been born in the United Kingdom -- that is, in Ireland before 1922 -- which entitled their children to British citizenship despite Ireland's subsequent independence, even if the children were born abroad. He would have had no right to live and work in Britain as a US citizen on reaching majority in 1949 unless he applied either for indefinite leave to remain on family grounds, or for British citizenship. Although he did not do National Service, he may have been given a medical exemption due to his severe bronchial asthma in childhood, a condition that recurred when he was doing that chicken-farm job at about age 19. Khamba Tendal ( talk) 17:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
The IMDB lists "illness" as the cause of his death. If this was the case, was the illness brought on by natural causes?
I can't find the reasons for his death on the Web. For example, one blog claims, "cause of death unknown", in spite of reports on several other sites that an autopsy was performed. Some sites say that the cause of death was withheld by his family. The reasons for his death are of interest to me because he was a smoker who had, IMO, much creative work ahead of him (he was a very active and apparently healthy 80). David spector ( talk) 21:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Of his health I know nought, but he hadn't made a TV or film appearance (even voice only) in 7 years! I don't know if a come-back was ever going to be on the cards. Daisyabigael ( talk) 23:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
The cause of his death unknown as it has never been released. There is a statement that the death was due to "a brief illness", but that link is now dead and has been removed from the Wayback Machine. As a fan of Patrick I wanted to know why he died, and I spend much time after he died looking for clues and posting questions on web boards. I am still trying to find out his cause of death. I have speculated that he may of had a smoking related illness. But there is no evidence to support my speculation. Ty78ejui ( talk) 15:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I was just wondering what american idol teaser ads 'echoed' The Prisoner
I'm still wondering about this. Anyone has credible references? Otherwise it should be removed from the article. Miguel1626 ( talk) 22:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello
As a bibliophile,collector of a wide variety of magazines and newspapers the editor has come across some materials that address issues in articles in Wikipedia. This is one such news item that may prove useful as a reliable source.
I have made an edit to the article 'Patrick McGoohan'. The edit is about McGoohan's transition to another show based on an item from the Daily Express per the suggestion of another editor.
There may be more edits based on the content of the reliable source.
I welcome any comments or suggestions.
Sincerely
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I have re-instated the statement that PM only directed three of his appearances as killer. The earlier edit was based on the false presumption that the sentence meant to say he had only been the killer three times. By Dawn's Early Light, PM's first stint as guest villain, was directed by the prolific TV director Harvey Hart. Daisyabigael ( talk) 00:39, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
He was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.115.110.215 ( talk) 10:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I heard he was offered, and turned down, the roles of Gandalf in LOTR and Dumbledore in Harry Potter, because they did not fit his chosen persona of the arrogant, creepy characters. Does anyone know anything about this? Goblinshark17 ( talk) 06:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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why was the last prisoner episode so controversial his family "had to leave britain?" 70.73.232.123 08:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 08:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 02:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't know how to make the change myself, but shouldn't this section end after "Tomblin" to avoid saying the same thing twice?
"McGoohan wrote and directed several episodes of The Prisoner himself, occasionally using the pseudonyms Joseph Serf and Paddy Fitz. Apart from being the star, McGoohan was the executive producer, forming Everyman Films with series producer David Tomblin, and also wrote and directed several episodes, in some cases using pseudonyms." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gejopari ( talk • contribs) 06:10, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
McGoohan played a hydrotherapist in " I am a Camera". This was in 1955, hence earlier than any other credited film appearance listed here. I've seen the film, and can confirm that it was indeed credited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.34.79 ( talk) 13:10, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
He was also nominated for a Hugo award.
I'm sure we can consider this person as both American and Irish (or Irish and American) in the lead, since he was born in the United States, has held American citizenship for all his life (that's what I would assume from this article atleast), and has a career that spans both the UK and US. Per
MOS:CITIZEN: In cases of public or relevant dual citizenship, or a career that spans a subject's emigration, the use of the word and reduces ambiguity. This is an example of a person who established a career in Europe as a Hungarian, then emigrated to the United States and was naturalized and continued his career, and is thus known as both a Hungarian actor and as an American actor. The use of and again prevents the introduction of ethnicity or birth.
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