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Dekimasuよ!08:01, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose - (singer) is too general. (contralto) - see below - would work, but why change? Most mezzos also sing alto parts, some also soprano, - whatever voice type in the dab suggests a classical singer, a trained professional, while (singer) could be any. --
Gerda Arendt (
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06:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose unless you have a source to say she's more notable as a contralto than a mezzo. However, I don't see how you can say moving the article to somewhere else is unrelated to this request. In my view, this suggestion should have been made as part of the discussion
here.
jamacfarlane (
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19:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless you have sources to say she's more notable as a mezzo. Opera Scotland calls her a mezzo, and then lists her contralto roles. Just like this article, many sources describe her as mezzo/contralto. Kutsch & Riemens describe her as
de:Alt (Stimmlage), the German equivalent of
contralto. Almost all of the roles listed in her article are contralto roles. How this article is disambiguated doesn't matter much (the text and categories are more important), but it's not clear that "(mezzo-soprano)" is the best fitting term. --
Michael Bednarek (
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01:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
I don't have a source other than Opera Scotland. I think as the current title uses "(mezzo-soprano)" the burden is on those supporting a move to identify sources, but if she's equally notable as both, then I would be content with "(opera singer)" or (the inelegant but ensorsed by
WP:NCPDAB) "(musician)".
jamacfarlane (
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04:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Thank you for (musician), - the one time. Typically we singers are not counted among the musicians, "the singers and musicians" is a typically colloquial phrase. I'd leave as it is. We would disambiguate (contralto) for exclusive singers of that voice type, which she is not. --
Gerda Arendt (
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06:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Patricia Payne (mezzo-soprano) appeared on Wikipedia's
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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Please initiate a new request to discuss the possibility of a different disambiguator, as necessary.
Dekimasuよ!08:01, 29 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose - (singer) is too general. (contralto) - see below - would work, but why change? Most mezzos also sing alto parts, some also soprano, - whatever voice type in the dab suggests a classical singer, a trained professional, while (singer) could be any. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
06:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose unless you have a source to say she's more notable as a contralto than a mezzo. However, I don't see how you can say moving the article to somewhere else is unrelated to this request. In my view, this suggestion should have been made as part of the discussion
here.
jamacfarlane (
talk)
19:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless you have sources to say she's more notable as a mezzo. Opera Scotland calls her a mezzo, and then lists her contralto roles. Just like this article, many sources describe her as mezzo/contralto. Kutsch & Riemens describe her as
de:Alt (Stimmlage), the German equivalent of
contralto. Almost all of the roles listed in her article are contralto roles. How this article is disambiguated doesn't matter much (the text and categories are more important), but it's not clear that "(mezzo-soprano)" is the best fitting term. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
01:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
I don't have a source other than Opera Scotland. I think as the current title uses "(mezzo-soprano)" the burden is on those supporting a move to identify sources, but if she's equally notable as both, then I would be content with "(opera singer)" or (the inelegant but ensorsed by
WP:NCPDAB) "(musician)".
jamacfarlane (
talk)
04:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Thank you for (musician), - the one time. Typically we singers are not counted among the musicians, "the singers and musicians" is a typically colloquial phrase. I'd leave as it is. We would disambiguate (contralto) for exclusive singers of that voice type, which she is not. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
06:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.