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Is there a definitive pronunciation of Evra's name? I hear both "EV-ra" and "EEE-vra" quite frequently. Js farrar 17:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
26 of them? Questionable source so deleted. Lots of internet rumour but no hard fact.
It is untrue he was called the Black Gazelle when at Marsala, he was actually called Blue Chocolate (in Italian cioccolatino azzurro, blue being Marsala's club colour). Two sources in Italian: [1] [2] (the second with a couple photos of him during his time in Sicily). -- Angelo ( talk) 17:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
The introduction has an inconsistency about when his family arrived in Europe. Right now it reads:
The son of a diplomat, Evra was born in Dakar, Senegal, and arrived in Europe through Brussels from Senegal when he was six years old. He was raised in Les Ulis, Essonne, France, where he lived with his family from 1984 to 1998 before seizing his first footballing opportunity leading him to Marsala, Sicily, Italy.
First it says he arrived when he was six, but then it says he lived in France from 1984, when he was three. Which is it? Funnyhat ( talk) 02:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
A quick Google shows his height between 1.71 and 1.75 - I fail to see how the edit to put him at 1.75 was "vandalism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Patrice_Evra&action=historysubmit&diff=368604738&oldid=368602978
175cm = 5' - 8 9/10" (feet, inches and tenths-of-an-inch), so rounding up to 5'9 is accurate.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/player=212246/index.html
Ta, Mongoletsi ( talk) 22:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
In the article it says "Evra was born in Dakar, the capital city of Senegal, to a Senegalese father of Guinean descent and Juliette, a Cape Verdean mother" with two references provided. However, neither reference says that his father is of Guinean descent (or his mother is of Cape Verdean descent for that matter). I don't doubt it's true but it definitely needs a source to confirm it. TonyStarks ( talk) 03:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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I will review this article, but it may take a while. Also, I am having to take the foreign language sources largely on trust. So far, it looks very good and very comprehensive. It seems very well written in general and most problems are fairly minor MOS ones or overlinking. I've done the first two sections so far (I've left the lead till last). My only minor complaint so far would be that it seems to rely largely on what Evra has said about himself for his early life, but this may be unavoidable and is not a problem as far as passing GA.
Personal life
-- Sarastro1 ( talk) 09:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Early career
Nice
Monaco
-- Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Note: I am a little concerned at this point by the number of statements without a reference. Anything to do with appearances, I can accept if the intention is that the ref at the end covers it all. However, there are many others in the Nice and Monaco sections which need a ref. I would appreciate if you could check the rest of the article to ensure that everything has a ref before I continue with this review. There do not seem to be too many other issues so far, and all other checks of the references are OK. Prose and comprehensiveness are excellent, it is just the refs that need sorting out so far. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 12:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
2006-08
Another note: I'm still seeing the same problems, and a quick scan of the rest of the article reveals similar problems. I am unwilling to keep checking every reference to make sure it is doing what it says and at this moment I am tempted to fail the article on criteria 2a of the GA criteria. However, I am reluctant to do so as this is an extremely well written article which covers the players career exceptionally well. But the reference problems are very distracting for me as a reviewer. If they could be sorted out, this would be a potential future FA, and I am sure that references can be found. The compromise I am willing to make is to place the article on hold for a week. In that time, I would like all the remaining references checking and sorting out. When I look at the article again, all the referencing should be sorted. If I continue to find issues in this area when I look again, I will be forced to fail it as a I have found so many referencing problems. Please take your time checking, and I will not return to the review for a few days to give you a chance to check everything. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 21:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
2008 - present
Comment: I'm afraid I am still finding referencing problems. I just don't find the referencing good enough for a GA. It is incredibly frustrating as I maintain that the article is very well written, but I wonder how much of this is some kind of OR. I am a little concerned that one of the parts I mentioned above originally said that Evra rested for a game, but once a ref was found it changed to he suffered an injury. Also, other comments suggest that not every part was written using sources. Whether this is the case or not, the referencing is not up to standard. I also still maintain it is a potential future FA, but it needs working at to get it to GA to begin with. I am afraid I will not spend any more time reviewing as it is a little unfair for a reviewer to have to check every ref when so many are not supporting the text. There have been so many examples of missing or wrong refs, this is not good enough for GA.
I am failing the article, but if you are not happy with the review, you can have it reassessed. Or, once the issues have been addressed, you could renominate at GAN. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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This article's been waiting long enough for a review, so I'll give it a shot. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:05, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Here are the issues I found:
"Individually, Evra has been named to the" The individually part doesn't really add anything and can be removed.
Up to Manchester United, will review rest soon. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:10, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Looks good. Here's the rest of my comments:
I'll put the article on hold and will pass when these final issues are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
With all the respect, this guy, has been in trouble many times, accusing others of racism.
There is no mention about that in the article. He clearly has a problem with him/other-people skin colour, or is abusing of his colour to attack on other people, for self-interest or similar.
I think this can't be called a good article, when there is absence of this very sad and important topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.52.56.24 ( talk) 14:56, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The section says that Anelka was removed from the squad on the 21st, which resulted in Evra leading a player revolt on the 20th. Did he have access to a time machine? 81.132.108.246 ( talk) 20:03, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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He has four of these, i forgot to cite sources earlier when i this done under an IP address and they got reverted [4] [5] [6] [7] (That's what makes him the first player to lose four champions league finals) Toyosolanke ( talk) 18:49, 2 November 2017 (UTC) Toyo
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Is there a definitive pronunciation of Evra's name? I hear both "EV-ra" and "EEE-vra" quite frequently. Js farrar 17:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
26 of them? Questionable source so deleted. Lots of internet rumour but no hard fact.
It is untrue he was called the Black Gazelle when at Marsala, he was actually called Blue Chocolate (in Italian cioccolatino azzurro, blue being Marsala's club colour). Two sources in Italian: [1] [2] (the second with a couple photos of him during his time in Sicily). -- Angelo ( talk) 17:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
The introduction has an inconsistency about when his family arrived in Europe. Right now it reads:
The son of a diplomat, Evra was born in Dakar, Senegal, and arrived in Europe through Brussels from Senegal when he was six years old. He was raised in Les Ulis, Essonne, France, where he lived with his family from 1984 to 1998 before seizing his first footballing opportunity leading him to Marsala, Sicily, Italy.
First it says he arrived when he was six, but then it says he lived in France from 1984, when he was three. Which is it? Funnyhat ( talk) 02:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
A quick Google shows his height between 1.71 and 1.75 - I fail to see how the edit to put him at 1.75 was "vandalism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Patrice_Evra&action=historysubmit&diff=368604738&oldid=368602978
175cm = 5' - 8 9/10" (feet, inches and tenths-of-an-inch), so rounding up to 5'9 is accurate.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/player=212246/index.html
Ta, Mongoletsi ( talk) 22:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
In the article it says "Evra was born in Dakar, the capital city of Senegal, to a Senegalese father of Guinean descent and Juliette, a Cape Verdean mother" with two references provided. However, neither reference says that his father is of Guinean descent (or his mother is of Cape Verdean descent for that matter). I don't doubt it's true but it definitely needs a source to confirm it. TonyStarks ( talk) 03:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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I will review this article, but it may take a while. Also, I am having to take the foreign language sources largely on trust. So far, it looks very good and very comprehensive. It seems very well written in general and most problems are fairly minor MOS ones or overlinking. I've done the first two sections so far (I've left the lead till last). My only minor complaint so far would be that it seems to rely largely on what Evra has said about himself for his early life, but this may be unavoidable and is not a problem as far as passing GA.
Personal life
-- Sarastro1 ( talk) 09:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Early career
Nice
Monaco
-- Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Note: I am a little concerned at this point by the number of statements without a reference. Anything to do with appearances, I can accept if the intention is that the ref at the end covers it all. However, there are many others in the Nice and Monaco sections which need a ref. I would appreciate if you could check the rest of the article to ensure that everything has a ref before I continue with this review. There do not seem to be too many other issues so far, and all other checks of the references are OK. Prose and comprehensiveness are excellent, it is just the refs that need sorting out so far. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 12:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
2006-08
Another note: I'm still seeing the same problems, and a quick scan of the rest of the article reveals similar problems. I am unwilling to keep checking every reference to make sure it is doing what it says and at this moment I am tempted to fail the article on criteria 2a of the GA criteria. However, I am reluctant to do so as this is an extremely well written article which covers the players career exceptionally well. But the reference problems are very distracting for me as a reviewer. If they could be sorted out, this would be a potential future FA, and I am sure that references can be found. The compromise I am willing to make is to place the article on hold for a week. In that time, I would like all the remaining references checking and sorting out. When I look at the article again, all the referencing should be sorted. If I continue to find issues in this area when I look again, I will be forced to fail it as a I have found so many referencing problems. Please take your time checking, and I will not return to the review for a few days to give you a chance to check everything. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 21:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
2008 - present
Comment: I'm afraid I am still finding referencing problems. I just don't find the referencing good enough for a GA. It is incredibly frustrating as I maintain that the article is very well written, but I wonder how much of this is some kind of OR. I am a little concerned that one of the parts I mentioned above originally said that Evra rested for a game, but once a ref was found it changed to he suffered an injury. Also, other comments suggest that not every part was written using sources. Whether this is the case or not, the referencing is not up to standard. I also still maintain it is a potential future FA, but it needs working at to get it to GA to begin with. I am afraid I will not spend any more time reviewing as it is a little unfair for a reviewer to have to check every ref when so many are not supporting the text. There have been so many examples of missing or wrong refs, this is not good enough for GA.
I am failing the article, but if you are not happy with the review, you can have it reassessed. Or, once the issues have been addressed, you could renominate at GAN. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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This article's been waiting long enough for a review, so I'll give it a shot. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:05, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Here are the issues I found:
"Individually, Evra has been named to the" The individually part doesn't really add anything and can be removed.
Up to Manchester United, will review rest soon. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:10, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Looks good. Here's the rest of my comments:
I'll put the article on hold and will pass when these final issues are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
With all the respect, this guy, has been in trouble many times, accusing others of racism.
There is no mention about that in the article. He clearly has a problem with him/other-people skin colour, or is abusing of his colour to attack on other people, for self-interest or similar.
I think this can't be called a good article, when there is absence of this very sad and important topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.52.56.24 ( talk) 14:56, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The section says that Anelka was removed from the squad on the 21st, which resulted in Evra leading a player revolt on the 20th. Did he have access to a time machine? 81.132.108.246 ( talk) 20:03, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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He has four of these, i forgot to cite sources earlier when i this done under an IP address and they got reverted [4] [5] [6] [7] (That's what makes him the first player to lose four champions league finals) Toyosolanke ( talk) 18:49, 2 November 2017 (UTC) Toyo
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