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This article contains a translation of Список наград Патриарха Московского и всея Руси Кирилла from ru.wikipedia. |
That's clearly a picture of Osama bin Laden! 82.24.104.76 ( talk) 12:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Edited grammar and links, as well as layout and spacing throughout the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.55.88 ( talk) 07:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
It seems there is very little on this mans writings or positions on the page. I would like to see references added on homosexuality, women's rights, race relations, etc. It seems to me, this is relevant to the future of Russia moving away from mysticism to a rational modern nation. There is also little on church finance, which is clearly in the case of the Russian Orthodox Church very questionable. The history of church run charities is questionable. And, there is nothing related to sex abuse, which is just as rampant in the Russian Orthodox Church as in others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.187.0 ( talk) 00:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
First off, this is not in English. Secondly I have no idea what an expert on "ROC ecinimic activities", but it is POV to label him an expert even if he is a "scholar" and to not label every other scholar who is cited as an "expert" too. Who says he is an expert? He is an author... that does not make him an expert in anything, aside from perhaps a keen ability to get publishers to print things he writes. Oprah has published more books and articles than he has. Is she an expert too? Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 19:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Biophys' latest edit may well be accurate, but I would like to see the source information that supports the claim that Nikolai Mitokhin is a "black market researcher from Russian State University for the Humanities". Is he a researcher who does research for the Russian State University, of is he a researcher who happens to have attended the Russian State University. If he is the latter, references to the university should be removed. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Занимающий внушительное четырехэтажное здание в Даниловом монастыре Отдел внешних церковных связей (ОВЦС), которым руководит митрополит Кирилл, называют церковным МИДом. Это ключевая структура РПЦ. Кирилл возглавил ОВЦС в 1989 году, еще при позапрошлом патриархе Пимене. Кураторы из Совета по делам религий при Совете министров СССР вполне доверяли тогда еще молодому иерарху — в оперативных кругах его знали под псевдонимом «Михайлов» (так его называли в своих отчетах сотрудники Пятого управления КГБ). Эта неприятная для иерарха подробность всплыла в начале 1990-х годов, когда на свет стали появляться итоги работы парламентской комиссии по расследованию деятельности КГБ. Работала комиссия и с архивами Пятого управления, а первым публичным итогом этой работы для церкви стала публикация в журнале «Христианский вестник» за октябрь 1992 года. Тогда-то вся заинтересованная публика и узнала о том, что церковные иерархи сплошь и рядом в советские годы были так или иначе связаны (или зависимы?) от политической полиции — КГБ. Назывались и псевдонимы, которые давали в своих отчетах сотрудники идеологической контрразведки — «Дроздов,» «Адамант», «Островский»... Свои псевдонимы были и у представителей остальных конфессий — мусульман, иудеев, католиков и так далее.
Митрополит Кирилл сделал в советские годы стремительную карьеру. Уже в 22-летнем возрасте, учась в Ленинградской духовной академии и служа секретарем могущественного митрополита Никодима, Кирилл начал регулярно выезжать за границу. Он занял крупные посты в руководстве Всемирного совета церквей, Конференции европейских церквей, миротворческих организациях. Уже в 28 лет он ректор Ленинградской академии, а в 30 — архиепископ Выборгский.
Комиссия президиума Верховного совета России в начале 1992 года официально обратила внимание руководства РПЦ на «глубокую инфильтрацию агентуры спецслужб» в Церковь, что «представляет собой серьезную опасность для общества и государства». В том же году, встречаясь со студентами МГУ, Кирилл утверждал: «Факт встречи духовенства с представителями КГБ нравственно безразличен». И действительно, этот факт скоро стал «безразличен», потому что странице под названием «Михайлов» в биографии Кирилла пришла на смену страница под названием «Табачный».
В 1996 году ОВЦС через свой Фонд «Ника» под видом гуманитарной помощи (без таможенных пошлин) ввез в Россию более 8 млрд сигарет, вытеснив с рынка импортеров, плативших пошлины. Первой эту историю откопала вскоре закрытая и забытая маленькая бизнес-газета, а затем был целый вал публикаций в «Московском комсомольце» и «Московских новостях».
Собственно, табачные короли и начали первую кампанию разоблачения, как они считали, недобросовестного конкурента. На никотине, утверждали тогда СМИ и злые языки в самой Церкви, Кирилл составил стартовый капитал — несколько сотен миллионов долларов, после чего финансовые скандалы полились на него, как из рога изобилия. Он был причастен к беспошлинному экспорту нефти, отлову камчатского краба, добыче уральских самоцветов, учреждению банков, скупке акций и недвижимости. Специфические (с оттенком «пастырства») связи в политическом руководстве и бизнес-сообществе быстро вывели Кирилла на первое место по объему личных активов среди иерархов РПЦ МП. В 2004 году научный сотрудник Центра исследований теневой экономики при РГГУ Николай Митрохин выпустил монографию о теневой экономической деятельности РПЦ. Состояние митрополита Кирилла оценивалось в этой работе в $1,5 млрд. Спустя 2 года журналисты «Московских новостей» попытались пересчитать активы главы церковного МИДа и пришли к выводу, что они насчитывают уже $4 млрд. Ни сам митрополит, ни руководство РПЦ эти данные не комментировали.
Принадлежность к элите требует определенного набора атрибутов. В 2002 году митрополит Кирилл купил пентхаус в Доме на набережной с видом на храм Христа Спасителя. Это, кстати, единственная квартира в Москве, зарегистрированная именно на митрополита по его мирской фамилии Гундяев, о чем есть соответствующая запись в кадастровой ведомости. В СМИ появилась и информация о покупке митрополитом виллы в Швейцарии. Одновременно митрополит занялся активной и во многом беспрецедентной для церковного иерарха просветительской деятельностью посредством телевидения: ведет программы на разных телеканалах, ежедневно появляется в выпусках новостей, его обслуживают несколько информагентств и журналов.
Biophys ( talk) 22:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
From the same source an edit was added: В статье допущена ошибка. Николай Митрохин не являлся сотрудником Центра по изучению нелегальной экономической деятельности РГГУ: в 2000 году он издал в этом центре свою работу "Экономическая деятельность РПЦ и ее теневая составляющая", в которой не содержалась оценка личного состояния митрополита Кирилла. It says that he did NOT work for the Center for Black Market Research"; only that he published his work for that center. That throws out any credibility with regards to the cited Center. In any event, it is highly POV and questionable - not a reliable established source. Rusmeister ( talk) 18:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Why "Patriarch-Elect" instead of simply "Patriarch"? Biophys ( talk) 01:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Because he is a "Patriarch-Elect". Only from 01.02.2009 he becam a Patriarch wit NEW name. Miller111 ( talk) 09:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Now he's sorted himself out. --➨♀♂ Candlewicke S T :) 10:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
More on the succession process is needed. Who were the other candidates? Was Kirill Putin's first choice? &c... 192.121.84.241 ( talk) 13:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Why was the title Archbishop of Smolensk and Vyazma changed to Archbishop of Smolensk and Kaliningrad in 1989? -- Hapsala ( talk) 14:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was No move Parsecboy ( talk) 00:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is the article called Kirill and not Cyril? His predecessors (e.g. Alexy, Sergius) are here with their English names, as is customary with patriarchs and popes. Also, it's Kyrill in German, Cirilo in Spanish, Cirillo in Italian, Cyryl in Polish etc. I can't see why Kirill/Cyril should be singled out for special treatment. The press seems to be divided, but TIME, for example, has Cyril: [2] -- 89.245.251.212 ( talk) 21:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Likewise, I unquestionably disagree with using the "alternative" name Cyril in this article - you do not incidentally suggest to refer to Patriarch Pavle of Serbia as "Patriarch Paul"? ( ouital77 ( talk) 01:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC))moved to correct topic by Ignatus ( talk) 14:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The official title of the Patriarch of Moscow is "Патриарх Московский и всея Руси"
The name of Russia in Russian is "Россия". As anyone can see "Россия" is not "Руси". There are four parts of Rus': Russia, Ukraine (or Little Russia), Belarus (White Russia), and Carpatho-Russia (i.e. the Rusyns). So please stop correcting this article on this point. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 03:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I think it is strange and out of the ordinary to refer to Kirill as "Kirill I". Check out, e.g., the website of the Moscow Patriarchate or the Russian Wikipedia. His predecessor was known as "Alexy II" because there was a patriarch with that name before him (who incidentally was never called "Alexy I" in his lifetime). If some years later ROC will elect another patriarch named Kirill, our current patriarch will be known as "Kirill I" - until then it seems strained and artificial to refer to him in this way (he is not a monarch). I suggest changing the title of the article to "Patriarch Kirill of Moscow."
The reference says that the Patriarch's father and grandfather hail from the Mordovia region. Which is 2/3 ethnically Russian. Nowhere does it state that he has ethnic Mordvin roots. If that's not the case, can someone provide a reference? Sotnik ( talk) 07:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it interesting enough for this article that Kirill gives controversial people like Dmytro Firtash church honors? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Does this mean that if Al Capone would have done lots of "social activities" he also would have had a change in getting a medal from the Russian Church? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I am not entirely happy with the removal of most of the material on controversies on on 16-16 August. [6] The editor who did this has tried to suppress notable controversies regarding the Patriarch before. [7] This mass removal was done without discussion. It has left only the most recent example.
What should we do?-- Toddy1 ( talk) 07:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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I've just added: In March 2014 by Mount Athos monks cursed Patriarch Kirill, as well as other Russian Ecclesiastic servants and Vladimir Putin. The monks called them a "bunch of criminals" and accused of "betraying their religion" and for "making their brothers burn in the internal fire here, in this transient world". [1]-- Trzecimaja ( talk) 05:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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The Patriarch Kirill was not an agent of the KGB. And we can not check original source (very important issue). + :
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37 This website is banned in Russia for violations of Law (any user with Russian provider can check this fact)
38 Almost empty space (instead article) ////////// 78.106.175.235 ( talk) 21:15, 15 October 2015 (UTC) 95.29.140.157 ( talk) 21:53, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
What do the numbers like "[8]" and "[11]" refer to in the section cited? They look like footnotes, but are not links. -- Haruo ( talk) 07:28, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
The section on "ecumenism" reads, in part: ". . . their hope for re–establishment of full unity, the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, . . ." "Hope for . . . the persecution of Christians" or "hope for re-establishment of . . . the persecution of Christians" is surely not what the author of the article intended to convey. I edited it, with "CLARIFICATION NEEDED . . ." and my edit was removed automatically because it somehow met the bot's criteria for possible vandalism. I DID NOT INTEND ANY HARM. I felt, and still feel, that the section could be improved by some clarification, because no decent person can possibly hope for the persecution of Christians or any other religious or ethnic group. I was merely trying, obviously the wrong way, for which I apologize, to call attention to the possibly confusing wording (it confused me, therefore it is at least possible that it could confuse others).
I just hope the author of the article will improve the wording to eliminate the potential for confusion.
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Kirill seems to believe that Russian and Ukrainians are one people as you can see here. Should that be mentioned in this Wikipedia article? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:23, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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The KGB recruited Kirill as an agent in the late 1960s or early 1970s, assigning him the codename "Mikhailov". [1]
This was removed before access to the page was blocked. If anyone who knows Russian also and knows the history of religious communities in the Soviet Union and has reviewed KGB materials could take a look and find a way to restore this information I would be grateful. The Dunlop reference is available here: https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=WDrihdh-TiIC&q=mikhailov#v=snippet&q=mikhailov&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.34.134 ( talk) 16:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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In the award section in this page, The Order of St Gregory of Parumala was awarded by Indian (Malankara) Orthodox Church in 2006, not Syriac Orthodox church.
Kindly edit that. Orientaloc ( talk) 06:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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Following Kirill's use of propaganda for the war in Ukraine in the liturgy, he has been widely condemned by the Orthodox world. Even within the Russian Orthodox Church, archbishops condemn his "abuses of the gospel". This is pretty remarkable, and should probably be covered both in the article (properly sourced) and in the lead. This strong criticism of Patriarch from numerous high ranking clergy is exceptional. Jeppiz ( talk) 15:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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at the end of the first line of the paragraph "support for the russian invasion of Ukraine", replace "soliders" with "soldiers" Ethyle64 ( talk) 11:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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Seems the link to the Russian-Orthodox Church in the Netherlands under "Support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2022" goes to the Catholic Basilica of Saint Nicholas. There seems to be no wikipage for the corresponding Russian Orthodox Parish of Saint Nicholas of Myra in Amsterdam to change it to, so removal of the link might be necessary. Lamaredia (Kasper D.L) ( talk) 13:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Why is who his father baptized even relevant let alone deserving of being in the 3rd paragragh? Many famous people's parents did many things I don't see that in the wiki page of the famous child let alone in the opening section. 51.9.50.224 ( talk) 23:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
It is mentioned casually at the end that he is worth at least 4 billion us$. Can the article state how he got it? It would improve understanding of the subject. 2A00:23C7:E287:1901:3D7C:3D8A:D601:CB58 ( talk) 10:43, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
More and more sources are regarding Kirill as a "suspected former Soviet KGB agent" The Telegraph Patriarch Kirill, a suspected former Soviet spy, has been a staunch supporter of Mr Putin’s war in Ukraine and key to its propaganda., should we add that to the lead? Manyareasexpert ( talk) 22:26, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
The anglicized spelling of Patriarch Kirill's last name (Gundyayev) in this article differs from the spelling of various family members' anglicized last names (Gundyaev/Gundyaeva). The suffix -a is of course appropriate in the feminine form, but there is no reason for the root form of the name to differ between family members. The spelling of the root form does not differ in the Russian article. A standard anglicization should be selected and consistently applied throughout this English article. Ps8v9 ( talk) 06:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Revert this edit per NPOV: [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Patriarch_Kirill_of_Moscow&diff=prev&oldid=1206713171 208.87.236.202 ( talk) 20:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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That's clearly a picture of Osama bin Laden! 82.24.104.76 ( talk) 12:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Edited grammar and links, as well as layout and spacing throughout the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.55.88 ( talk) 07:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
It seems there is very little on this mans writings or positions on the page. I would like to see references added on homosexuality, women's rights, race relations, etc. It seems to me, this is relevant to the future of Russia moving away from mysticism to a rational modern nation. There is also little on church finance, which is clearly in the case of the Russian Orthodox Church very questionable. The history of church run charities is questionable. And, there is nothing related to sex abuse, which is just as rampant in the Russian Orthodox Church as in others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.187.0 ( talk) 00:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
First off, this is not in English. Secondly I have no idea what an expert on "ROC ecinimic activities", but it is POV to label him an expert even if he is a "scholar" and to not label every other scholar who is cited as an "expert" too. Who says he is an expert? He is an author... that does not make him an expert in anything, aside from perhaps a keen ability to get publishers to print things he writes. Oprah has published more books and articles than he has. Is she an expert too? Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 19:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Biophys' latest edit may well be accurate, but I would like to see the source information that supports the claim that Nikolai Mitokhin is a "black market researcher from Russian State University for the Humanities". Is he a researcher who does research for the Russian State University, of is he a researcher who happens to have attended the Russian State University. If he is the latter, references to the university should be removed. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Занимающий внушительное четырехэтажное здание в Даниловом монастыре Отдел внешних церковных связей (ОВЦС), которым руководит митрополит Кирилл, называют церковным МИДом. Это ключевая структура РПЦ. Кирилл возглавил ОВЦС в 1989 году, еще при позапрошлом патриархе Пимене. Кураторы из Совета по делам религий при Совете министров СССР вполне доверяли тогда еще молодому иерарху — в оперативных кругах его знали под псевдонимом «Михайлов» (так его называли в своих отчетах сотрудники Пятого управления КГБ). Эта неприятная для иерарха подробность всплыла в начале 1990-х годов, когда на свет стали появляться итоги работы парламентской комиссии по расследованию деятельности КГБ. Работала комиссия и с архивами Пятого управления, а первым публичным итогом этой работы для церкви стала публикация в журнале «Христианский вестник» за октябрь 1992 года. Тогда-то вся заинтересованная публика и узнала о том, что церковные иерархи сплошь и рядом в советские годы были так или иначе связаны (или зависимы?) от политической полиции — КГБ. Назывались и псевдонимы, которые давали в своих отчетах сотрудники идеологической контрразведки — «Дроздов,» «Адамант», «Островский»... Свои псевдонимы были и у представителей остальных конфессий — мусульман, иудеев, католиков и так далее.
Митрополит Кирилл сделал в советские годы стремительную карьеру. Уже в 22-летнем возрасте, учась в Ленинградской духовной академии и служа секретарем могущественного митрополита Никодима, Кирилл начал регулярно выезжать за границу. Он занял крупные посты в руководстве Всемирного совета церквей, Конференции европейских церквей, миротворческих организациях. Уже в 28 лет он ректор Ленинградской академии, а в 30 — архиепископ Выборгский.
Комиссия президиума Верховного совета России в начале 1992 года официально обратила внимание руководства РПЦ на «глубокую инфильтрацию агентуры спецслужб» в Церковь, что «представляет собой серьезную опасность для общества и государства». В том же году, встречаясь со студентами МГУ, Кирилл утверждал: «Факт встречи духовенства с представителями КГБ нравственно безразличен». И действительно, этот факт скоро стал «безразличен», потому что странице под названием «Михайлов» в биографии Кирилла пришла на смену страница под названием «Табачный».
В 1996 году ОВЦС через свой Фонд «Ника» под видом гуманитарной помощи (без таможенных пошлин) ввез в Россию более 8 млрд сигарет, вытеснив с рынка импортеров, плативших пошлины. Первой эту историю откопала вскоре закрытая и забытая маленькая бизнес-газета, а затем был целый вал публикаций в «Московском комсомольце» и «Московских новостях».
Собственно, табачные короли и начали первую кампанию разоблачения, как они считали, недобросовестного конкурента. На никотине, утверждали тогда СМИ и злые языки в самой Церкви, Кирилл составил стартовый капитал — несколько сотен миллионов долларов, после чего финансовые скандалы полились на него, как из рога изобилия. Он был причастен к беспошлинному экспорту нефти, отлову камчатского краба, добыче уральских самоцветов, учреждению банков, скупке акций и недвижимости. Специфические (с оттенком «пастырства») связи в политическом руководстве и бизнес-сообществе быстро вывели Кирилла на первое место по объему личных активов среди иерархов РПЦ МП. В 2004 году научный сотрудник Центра исследований теневой экономики при РГГУ Николай Митрохин выпустил монографию о теневой экономической деятельности РПЦ. Состояние митрополита Кирилла оценивалось в этой работе в $1,5 млрд. Спустя 2 года журналисты «Московских новостей» попытались пересчитать активы главы церковного МИДа и пришли к выводу, что они насчитывают уже $4 млрд. Ни сам митрополит, ни руководство РПЦ эти данные не комментировали.
Принадлежность к элите требует определенного набора атрибутов. В 2002 году митрополит Кирилл купил пентхаус в Доме на набережной с видом на храм Христа Спасителя. Это, кстати, единственная квартира в Москве, зарегистрированная именно на митрополита по его мирской фамилии Гундяев, о чем есть соответствующая запись в кадастровой ведомости. В СМИ появилась и информация о покупке митрополитом виллы в Швейцарии. Одновременно митрополит занялся активной и во многом беспрецедентной для церковного иерарха просветительской деятельностью посредством телевидения: ведет программы на разных телеканалах, ежедневно появляется в выпусках новостей, его обслуживают несколько информагентств и журналов.
Biophys ( talk) 22:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
From the same source an edit was added: В статье допущена ошибка. Николай Митрохин не являлся сотрудником Центра по изучению нелегальной экономической деятельности РГГУ: в 2000 году он издал в этом центре свою работу "Экономическая деятельность РПЦ и ее теневая составляющая", в которой не содержалась оценка личного состояния митрополита Кирилла. It says that he did NOT work for the Center for Black Market Research"; only that he published his work for that center. That throws out any credibility with regards to the cited Center. In any event, it is highly POV and questionable - not a reliable established source. Rusmeister ( talk) 18:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Why "Patriarch-Elect" instead of simply "Patriarch"? Biophys ( talk) 01:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Because he is a "Patriarch-Elect". Only from 01.02.2009 he becam a Patriarch wit NEW name. Miller111 ( talk) 09:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Now he's sorted himself out. --➨♀♂ Candlewicke S T :) 10:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
More on the succession process is needed. Who were the other candidates? Was Kirill Putin's first choice? &c... 192.121.84.241 ( talk) 13:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Why was the title Archbishop of Smolensk and Vyazma changed to Archbishop of Smolensk and Kaliningrad in 1989? -- Hapsala ( talk) 14:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was No move Parsecboy ( talk) 00:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is the article called Kirill and not Cyril? His predecessors (e.g. Alexy, Sergius) are here with their English names, as is customary with patriarchs and popes. Also, it's Kyrill in German, Cirilo in Spanish, Cirillo in Italian, Cyryl in Polish etc. I can't see why Kirill/Cyril should be singled out for special treatment. The press seems to be divided, but TIME, for example, has Cyril: [2] -- 89.245.251.212 ( talk) 21:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Likewise, I unquestionably disagree with using the "alternative" name Cyril in this article - you do not incidentally suggest to refer to Patriarch Pavle of Serbia as "Patriarch Paul"? ( ouital77 ( talk) 01:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC))moved to correct topic by Ignatus ( talk) 14:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The official title of the Patriarch of Moscow is "Патриарх Московский и всея Руси"
The name of Russia in Russian is "Россия". As anyone can see "Россия" is not "Руси". There are four parts of Rus': Russia, Ukraine (or Little Russia), Belarus (White Russia), and Carpatho-Russia (i.e. the Rusyns). So please stop correcting this article on this point. Frjohnwhiteford ( talk) 03:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I think it is strange and out of the ordinary to refer to Kirill as "Kirill I". Check out, e.g., the website of the Moscow Patriarchate or the Russian Wikipedia. His predecessor was known as "Alexy II" because there was a patriarch with that name before him (who incidentally was never called "Alexy I" in his lifetime). If some years later ROC will elect another patriarch named Kirill, our current patriarch will be known as "Kirill I" - until then it seems strained and artificial to refer to him in this way (he is not a monarch). I suggest changing the title of the article to "Patriarch Kirill of Moscow."
The reference says that the Patriarch's father and grandfather hail from the Mordovia region. Which is 2/3 ethnically Russian. Nowhere does it state that he has ethnic Mordvin roots. If that's not the case, can someone provide a reference? Sotnik ( talk) 07:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it interesting enough for this article that Kirill gives controversial people like Dmytro Firtash church honors? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Does this mean that if Al Capone would have done lots of "social activities" he also would have had a change in getting a medal from the Russian Church? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I am not entirely happy with the removal of most of the material on controversies on on 16-16 August. [6] The editor who did this has tried to suppress notable controversies regarding the Patriarch before. [7] This mass removal was done without discussion. It has left only the most recent example.
What should we do?-- Toddy1 ( talk) 07:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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I've just added: In March 2014 by Mount Athos monks cursed Patriarch Kirill, as well as other Russian Ecclesiastic servants and Vladimir Putin. The monks called them a "bunch of criminals" and accused of "betraying their religion" and for "making their brothers burn in the internal fire here, in this transient world". [1]-- Trzecimaja ( talk) 05:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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The Patriarch Kirill was not an agent of the KGB. And we can not check original source (very important issue). + :
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34 this website gives The Washington Times without specific article & InoPressa.ru (404 - nothing)
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37 This website is banned in Russia for violations of Law (any user with Russian provider can check this fact)
38 Almost empty space (instead article) ////////// 78.106.175.235 ( talk) 21:15, 15 October 2015 (UTC) 95.29.140.157 ( talk) 21:53, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
What do the numbers like "[8]" and "[11]" refer to in the section cited? They look like footnotes, but are not links. -- Haruo ( talk) 07:28, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
The section on "ecumenism" reads, in part: ". . . their hope for re–establishment of full unity, the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, . . ." "Hope for . . . the persecution of Christians" or "hope for re-establishment of . . . the persecution of Christians" is surely not what the author of the article intended to convey. I edited it, with "CLARIFICATION NEEDED . . ." and my edit was removed automatically because it somehow met the bot's criteria for possible vandalism. I DID NOT INTEND ANY HARM. I felt, and still feel, that the section could be improved by some clarification, because no decent person can possibly hope for the persecution of Christians or any other religious or ethnic group. I was merely trying, obviously the wrong way, for which I apologize, to call attention to the possibly confusing wording (it confused me, therefore it is at least possible that it could confuse others).
I just hope the author of the article will improve the wording to eliminate the potential for confusion.
Sincerely, Bret Hooper — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:483:3:2DB0:D545:B669:93AB:BA7B ( talk) 04:48, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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Kirill seems to believe that Russian and Ukrainians are one people as you can see here. Should that be mentioned in this Wikipedia article? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:23, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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The KGB recruited Kirill as an agent in the late 1960s or early 1970s, assigning him the codename "Mikhailov". [1]
This was removed before access to the page was blocked. If anyone who knows Russian also and knows the history of religious communities in the Soviet Union and has reviewed KGB materials could take a look and find a way to restore this information I would be grateful. The Dunlop reference is available here: https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=WDrihdh-TiIC&q=mikhailov#v=snippet&q=mikhailov&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.34.134 ( talk) 16:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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In the award section in this page, The Order of St Gregory of Parumala was awarded by Indian (Malankara) Orthodox Church in 2006, not Syriac Orthodox church.
Kindly edit that. Orientaloc ( talk) 06:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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Following Kirill's use of propaganda for the war in Ukraine in the liturgy, he has been widely condemned by the Orthodox world. Even within the Russian Orthodox Church, archbishops condemn his "abuses of the gospel". This is pretty remarkable, and should probably be covered both in the article (properly sourced) and in the lead. This strong criticism of Patriarch from numerous high ranking clergy is exceptional. Jeppiz ( talk) 15:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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at the end of the first line of the paragraph "support for the russian invasion of Ukraine", replace "soliders" with "soldiers" Ethyle64 ( talk) 11:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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Seems the link to the Russian-Orthodox Church in the Netherlands under "Support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2022" goes to the Catholic Basilica of Saint Nicholas. There seems to be no wikipage for the corresponding Russian Orthodox Parish of Saint Nicholas of Myra in Amsterdam to change it to, so removal of the link might be necessary. Lamaredia (Kasper D.L) ( talk) 13:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Why is who his father baptized even relevant let alone deserving of being in the 3rd paragragh? Many famous people's parents did many things I don't see that in the wiki page of the famous child let alone in the opening section. 51.9.50.224 ( talk) 23:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
It is mentioned casually at the end that he is worth at least 4 billion us$. Can the article state how he got it? It would improve understanding of the subject. 2A00:23C7:E287:1901:3D7C:3D8A:D601:CB58 ( talk) 10:43, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
More and more sources are regarding Kirill as a "suspected former Soviet KGB agent" The Telegraph Patriarch Kirill, a suspected former Soviet spy, has been a staunch supporter of Mr Putin’s war in Ukraine and key to its propaganda., should we add that to the lead? Manyareasexpert ( talk) 22:26, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
The anglicized spelling of Patriarch Kirill's last name (Gundyayev) in this article differs from the spelling of various family members' anglicized last names (Gundyaev/Gundyaeva). The suffix -a is of course appropriate in the feminine form, but there is no reason for the root form of the name to differ between family members. The spelling of the root form does not differ in the Russian article. A standard anglicization should be selected and consistently applied throughout this English article. Ps8v9 ( talk) 06:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Revert this edit per NPOV: [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Patriarch_Kirill_of_Moscow&diff=prev&oldid=1206713171 208.87.236.202 ( talk) 20:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)