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Toomey is a co-founder (with a real estate developer) of Team Capital Bank. http://www.nndb.com/people/779/000040659/ As a representative, he voted for the New Markets Tax Credit (NMTC) program which gives credit equal to 39% of the investment paid out over seven years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Markets_Tax_Credit_Program His Bank and the developer co-founder, then funded development in the former Bethlehem Steel works in Bethlehem under the NMTC program. http://lehighvalleysource.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/artsquest-center-at-steelstacks-first-in-lehigh-valley-to-benefit-from-federal-tax-credit-program/ 10th paragraph Very lucrative. QuicksilverDon ( talk) 10:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
entire article looks like it was taken off a campaign website or something... unencyclopedic "Toomey criticized Specter as a liberal spendthrift and lost by a mere 1.7 percent margin" "Mere" is really a value judgement, and is probably inappropriate for wikipedia. opinions? seems like the article was written by a jr campaign staffer. 24.14.94.254 18:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
its still a value judgement, meant to diminish the fact that he lost
compare: "Toomey criticized Specter as a liberal spendthrift and lost by a 1.7 percent margin"
article was already edited tho, but gonna add to watchlist
Annoying username ( talk) 07:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow--that picture in the article just screams "Photoshop." Isn't there a better one out there? -- Ball&Chain 20:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
i like it, you can see his ENOURMOUS fivehead
213.141.89.20 ( talk) 07:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Just watched SiCKO, and apparently this is the guy that did the ad for Just Born Inc's Marshmallow Peeps in Congress. Surely this has to rate a mention on this guys page? 203.192.141.76 09:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Toomey is in Category:Creationists, but this article makes no mention of his being a creationist. This is a very oblique way of offering information; it seems to me that something like this should either be mentioned in the article, with a citation offered, or that he should be removed from the category. Student Anselmus ( talk) 15:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't his run against Specter, leading Specter to join the Democratic Party (and shifting the balance in the Senate), be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.11.188 ( talk) 00:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
"President Barack Obama and others have pointed to the repeal of Glass-Steagall as a significant cause of the current global financial crisis, on the grounds that it opened up the door for the financial sector to form so-called too big to fail financial services giants like AIG.[3]"
This sentence is kind of odd, since (a) AIG is neither a commercial bank nor an investment bank, and therefore is unaffected by Glass-Steagall and its repeal, (b) it's far from clear that Glass-Steagall repeal caused or exacerbated the current financial crisis, and may actually have helped, and (c) the repeal of the relevant cross-ownership provisions was carried out on November 12, 1999, which, besides being almost a decade before the current crisis, happened under Democratic President Bill Clinton.
The inclusion of this sentence looks like an attempt to attack Toomey for his support of financial deregulation. There are more appropriate pages for documenting that debate: the Glass-Steagall page, to start with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.159.87.108 ( talk) 19:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The paragraph you've added on derivatives also appears to engage in WP:SYNTH with an inappropriate quote from Alan Blinder. CFredkin ( talk) 22:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
I agree with CFredkin that the sentence does not belong as written does not belong as the sources make no specific mention of Toomey and are one-sided, as there are debates about the impact of that legislation. I think it makes more sense to mention that Toomey was criticized repeatedly by his opponent Sestak for it, using a source like this. - Maximusveritas ( talk) 16:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the spirit of Bormomir123's edits: a list like this is not the desirable format for this information in the article. That said, many ratings on key issues did not make it into his condensed version - Toomey's 0% environmental rating from LCV, his NEA rating, etc. Additionally, the condensation was subtly non-NPOV. An example: "Toomey supports second amendment gun rights." Sounds great - so does every politician, left or right, who doesn't want to pass a gun-right restricting amendment. The question is, what rights does the second amendment grant? This is a major point of contention and is completely lost without reference to more objective information. I restored this list (not all of which comes from "on the issues") to enable the process of objectively integrating the information contained in it into the article, not because I want it to remain in this format. Wormcast ( talk) 22:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I just consolidated information on Toomey's abortion issue under a subsection entitled 'Abortion'. I think that this format (issue by issue) is the best way to arrange information - see for instance Chris_Christie. I do not mean to highlight abortion - this was just as far as I have gotten. - Wormcast ( talk) 16:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Boromir:
i think the wording of this sentence is miss leading
the article says "...nd would decrease the waiting period due to background checks from three days to one for purchases made at gun shows.[15]"
what this bill really was...
"Vote to pass a bill requiring anyone who purchases a gun at a gun show to go through an instant background check which must be completed within 24 hours [instead of 72 hours] [1]"
This should be re-worded as now it sounds like he is shortening the waiting period where as really it is requiring a background check sooner.
It seems to me that this sentence was "spun" to sound bad —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finch590 ( talk • contribs) 22:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Is he related to Mike Toomey who was Chief of Staff for Rick Perry and William Clements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.66.109 ( talk) 20:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
The language used in the section LGBT issues is clearly framed from a liberal's perspective: "to block the expansion of certain civil rights to homosexuals, or to revoke existing rights"
Most states in the US and the majority of Americans agree that marriage should not be re-defined to support same-sex couples. Framing his voting record in civil rights language is clearly biased and reflects the writer's support of same-sex marriage. How about using less biased language for Toomey's position and let the readers decide whether or to frame his voting record as a civil rights issue, an issue of traditional morality, or some other issue? For example,
"Toomey has voted to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban same-sex marriage;[25] to ban gay adoptions in the District of Columbia; and for the Marriage Protection Act of 2004, a bill that would amend the federal judicial code to deny federal courts jurisdiction to hear or decide any question pertaining to the interpretation of the Defense of Marriage Act or of the Marriage Protection Act itself." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boycer ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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A single editor keeps trying to alter the language of this section in ways that repeat false GOP talking points, arguing that these rectify for what the editor describes as partisan POV. It has involved repeatedly removing the words 'false' and 'falsely' to describe the undocumented accusation that Biden acted corruptly in Ukraine, and also the fall-back option that Trump gave to Zelensky to state that Ukraine was investigating Biden (even though it wasn't). I think both of those things should be identified as false to avoid giving the impression that either is true. The editor also wishes to deny that it is known for a fact that Trump tried to extort Zelensky to investigate Biden, despite all the public documentation and testimony to that effect. 'extort' means literally 'to twist out' ('to extract or wrest using pressure/compulsion'), which seems to describe Trump's own account of his actions. Just laying this out here in case the matter continues to be contentious. The editor is free to weigh in. 17:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.137.170 ( talk)
FYI: Someone with a range of 72.86.137.xxx IP continues to attempt to include WP:POV/ WP:OR commentary about Toomey's selection for the COVID-19 Congressional Oversight Commission. They first attempted to remove the mention numerous times suggesting the Commission is somehow irrelevant, and more recently inserted original research suggesting there's something meaningful about Toomey's tenure. Each time they are reverted they engage in an edit war. I've also been harassed on my talk page from the IP. Twice the page has needed semi-protection to avoid this disruptive editing. These opinions do not belong in this article. -- ZimZalaBim talk 15:25, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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Toomey is a co-founder (with a real estate developer) of Team Capital Bank. http://www.nndb.com/people/779/000040659/ As a representative, he voted for the New Markets Tax Credit (NMTC) program which gives credit equal to 39% of the investment paid out over seven years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Markets_Tax_Credit_Program His Bank and the developer co-founder, then funded development in the former Bethlehem Steel works in Bethlehem under the NMTC program. http://lehighvalleysource.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/artsquest-center-at-steelstacks-first-in-lehigh-valley-to-benefit-from-federal-tax-credit-program/ 10th paragraph Very lucrative. QuicksilverDon ( talk) 10:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
entire article looks like it was taken off a campaign website or something... unencyclopedic "Toomey criticized Specter as a liberal spendthrift and lost by a mere 1.7 percent margin" "Mere" is really a value judgement, and is probably inappropriate for wikipedia. opinions? seems like the article was written by a jr campaign staffer. 24.14.94.254 18:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
its still a value judgement, meant to diminish the fact that he lost
compare: "Toomey criticized Specter as a liberal spendthrift and lost by a 1.7 percent margin"
article was already edited tho, but gonna add to watchlist
Annoying username ( talk) 07:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow--that picture in the article just screams "Photoshop." Isn't there a better one out there? -- Ball&Chain 20:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
i like it, you can see his ENOURMOUS fivehead
213.141.89.20 ( talk) 07:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Just watched SiCKO, and apparently this is the guy that did the ad for Just Born Inc's Marshmallow Peeps in Congress. Surely this has to rate a mention on this guys page? 203.192.141.76 09:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Toomey is in Category:Creationists, but this article makes no mention of his being a creationist. This is a very oblique way of offering information; it seems to me that something like this should either be mentioned in the article, with a citation offered, or that he should be removed from the category. Student Anselmus ( talk) 15:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't his run against Specter, leading Specter to join the Democratic Party (and shifting the balance in the Senate), be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.11.188 ( talk) 00:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
"President Barack Obama and others have pointed to the repeal of Glass-Steagall as a significant cause of the current global financial crisis, on the grounds that it opened up the door for the financial sector to form so-called too big to fail financial services giants like AIG.[3]"
This sentence is kind of odd, since (a) AIG is neither a commercial bank nor an investment bank, and therefore is unaffected by Glass-Steagall and its repeal, (b) it's far from clear that Glass-Steagall repeal caused or exacerbated the current financial crisis, and may actually have helped, and (c) the repeal of the relevant cross-ownership provisions was carried out on November 12, 1999, which, besides being almost a decade before the current crisis, happened under Democratic President Bill Clinton.
The inclusion of this sentence looks like an attempt to attack Toomey for his support of financial deregulation. There are more appropriate pages for documenting that debate: the Glass-Steagall page, to start with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.159.87.108 ( talk) 19:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The paragraph you've added on derivatives also appears to engage in WP:SYNTH with an inappropriate quote from Alan Blinder. CFredkin ( talk) 22:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
I agree with CFredkin that the sentence does not belong as written does not belong as the sources make no specific mention of Toomey and are one-sided, as there are debates about the impact of that legislation. I think it makes more sense to mention that Toomey was criticized repeatedly by his opponent Sestak for it, using a source like this. - Maximusveritas ( talk) 16:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the spirit of Bormomir123's edits: a list like this is not the desirable format for this information in the article. That said, many ratings on key issues did not make it into his condensed version - Toomey's 0% environmental rating from LCV, his NEA rating, etc. Additionally, the condensation was subtly non-NPOV. An example: "Toomey supports second amendment gun rights." Sounds great - so does every politician, left or right, who doesn't want to pass a gun-right restricting amendment. The question is, what rights does the second amendment grant? This is a major point of contention and is completely lost without reference to more objective information. I restored this list (not all of which comes from "on the issues") to enable the process of objectively integrating the information contained in it into the article, not because I want it to remain in this format. Wormcast ( talk) 22:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I just consolidated information on Toomey's abortion issue under a subsection entitled 'Abortion'. I think that this format (issue by issue) is the best way to arrange information - see for instance Chris_Christie. I do not mean to highlight abortion - this was just as far as I have gotten. - Wormcast ( talk) 16:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Boromir:
i think the wording of this sentence is miss leading
the article says "...nd would decrease the waiting period due to background checks from three days to one for purchases made at gun shows.[15]"
what this bill really was...
"Vote to pass a bill requiring anyone who purchases a gun at a gun show to go through an instant background check which must be completed within 24 hours [instead of 72 hours] [1]"
This should be re-worded as now it sounds like he is shortening the waiting period where as really it is requiring a background check sooner.
It seems to me that this sentence was "spun" to sound bad —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finch590 ( talk • contribs) 22:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Is he related to Mike Toomey who was Chief of Staff for Rick Perry and William Clements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.66.109 ( talk) 20:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
The language used in the section LGBT issues is clearly framed from a liberal's perspective: "to block the expansion of certain civil rights to homosexuals, or to revoke existing rights"
Most states in the US and the majority of Americans agree that marriage should not be re-defined to support same-sex couples. Framing his voting record in civil rights language is clearly biased and reflects the writer's support of same-sex marriage. How about using less biased language for Toomey's position and let the readers decide whether or to frame his voting record as a civil rights issue, an issue of traditional morality, or some other issue? For example,
"Toomey has voted to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban same-sex marriage;[25] to ban gay adoptions in the District of Columbia; and for the Marriage Protection Act of 2004, a bill that would amend the federal judicial code to deny federal courts jurisdiction to hear or decide any question pertaining to the interpretation of the Defense of Marriage Act or of the Marriage Protection Act itself." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boycer ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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A single editor keeps trying to alter the language of this section in ways that repeat false GOP talking points, arguing that these rectify for what the editor describes as partisan POV. It has involved repeatedly removing the words 'false' and 'falsely' to describe the undocumented accusation that Biden acted corruptly in Ukraine, and also the fall-back option that Trump gave to Zelensky to state that Ukraine was investigating Biden (even though it wasn't). I think both of those things should be identified as false to avoid giving the impression that either is true. The editor also wishes to deny that it is known for a fact that Trump tried to extort Zelensky to investigate Biden, despite all the public documentation and testimony to that effect. 'extort' means literally 'to twist out' ('to extract or wrest using pressure/compulsion'), which seems to describe Trump's own account of his actions. Just laying this out here in case the matter continues to be contentious. The editor is free to weigh in. 17:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.137.170 ( talk)
FYI: Someone with a range of 72.86.137.xxx IP continues to attempt to include WP:POV/ WP:OR commentary about Toomey's selection for the COVID-19 Congressional Oversight Commission. They first attempted to remove the mention numerous times suggesting the Commission is somehow irrelevant, and more recently inserted original research suggesting there's something meaningful about Toomey's tenure. Each time they are reverted they engage in an edit war. I've also been harassed on my talk page from the IP. Twice the page has needed semi-protection to avoid this disruptive editing. These opinions do not belong in this article. -- ZimZalaBim talk 15:25, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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