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In roald dahl's book [going solo] roald was in pat's squadron. He fought ME 109s. But it says that pat was fighting BF 110s. I'm not sure.
In the article it was stated that Pattle joined the SAAF in South Africa which is wrong; he joined the SSB regiment or "Special Service Battalion". He also went to a primary school in Keetmanshoop in Namibia. 41.240.87.199 ( talk) 20:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
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Saw Lysander x 2. over links I think have been done
suggest Baker asserts that the true figure could be higher, owing to the inability of post-war researchers to identify an exact figure, due to the loss or destruction of British records in the retreat from Greece or during the subsequent occupation.
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On the basis of my "no surprises" approach to GA reviewing, at this time the article does not meet GA criteria 1a (largely due to non-compliance with capitalisation per MOS), 2b (due to an uncited paragraph containing a statement that has been challenged and four uncited claims in the table), and 6c (the licensing of two photographs). This review was placed on hold at 09:48 on 13 October UTC, and the seven days will expire at 09:48 on 20 October UTC. I hope that these criteria can be met before the on hold period expires, so that it can be listed as a GA. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 00:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I've restored the texts back to their original state. The recent edits were not to standard for a good article. The grammar was not good; the internet sources used were/are unreliable; there is a tally list for aerial victories in detail so there is no need to add reports of over claiming after each and every sentence about Pattle's claims; the citations did not use the appropriate format; I've noticed in one case a paragraph was removed because it had no citations (it did); paragraphs were broken up needlessly and it looked messy. Dapi89 ( talk) 16:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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I'm rooting out all citations of this source, because it's not reliable, especially when the official histories and various secondary sources are available. Catrìona ( talk) 23:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Just to note that some of the formatting of ranks is inconsistent -- some in italics and some not. Also, this: "Sergente Tenente Maggiore Viola" is obviously incorrect. I assume that "Tenente" has somehow worked its way into the middle and that the rank ought to be "Sergente Maggiore".
Dr Martin Boycott-Brown ( talk) 08:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
This photo of a crashed Fiat CR42 does not seem appropriate for the article, since there is no indication that this particular one was shot down by Pattle. – dlthewave ☎ 03:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Exactly. A large portion of them were CR 42s. Automatically makes an image of it relevant. Dapi89 ( talk) 22:07, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
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In roald dahl's book [going solo] roald was in pat's squadron. He fought ME 109s. But it says that pat was fighting BF 110s. I'm not sure.
In the article it was stated that Pattle joined the SAAF in South Africa which is wrong; he joined the SSB regiment or "Special Service Battalion". He also went to a primary school in Keetmanshoop in Namibia. 41.240.87.199 ( talk) 20:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
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Saw Lysander x 2. over links I think have been done
suggest Baker asserts that the true figure could be higher, owing to the inability of post-war researchers to identify an exact figure, due to the loss or destruction of British records in the retreat from Greece or during the subsequent occupation.
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On the basis of my "no surprises" approach to GA reviewing, at this time the article does not meet GA criteria 1a (largely due to non-compliance with capitalisation per MOS), 2b (due to an uncited paragraph containing a statement that has been challenged and four uncited claims in the table), and 6c (the licensing of two photographs). This review was placed on hold at 09:48 on 13 October UTC, and the seven days will expire at 09:48 on 20 October UTC. I hope that these criteria can be met before the on hold period expires, so that it can be listed as a GA. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 00:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I've restored the texts back to their original state. The recent edits were not to standard for a good article. The grammar was not good; the internet sources used were/are unreliable; there is a tally list for aerial victories in detail so there is no need to add reports of over claiming after each and every sentence about Pattle's claims; the citations did not use the appropriate format; I've noticed in one case a paragraph was removed because it had no citations (it did); paragraphs were broken up needlessly and it looked messy. Dapi89 ( talk) 16:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
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I'm rooting out all citations of this source, because it's not reliable, especially when the official histories and various secondary sources are available. Catrìona ( talk) 23:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Just to note that some of the formatting of ranks is inconsistent -- some in italics and some not. Also, this: "Sergente Tenente Maggiore Viola" is obviously incorrect. I assume that "Tenente" has somehow worked its way into the middle and that the rank ought to be "Sergente Maggiore".
Dr Martin Boycott-Brown ( talk) 08:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
This photo of a crashed Fiat CR42 does not seem appropriate for the article, since there is no indication that this particular one was shot down by Pattle. – dlthewave ☎ 03:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Exactly. A large portion of them were CR 42s. Automatically makes an image of it relevant. Dapi89 ( talk) 22:07, 10 March 2019 (UTC)