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Garda40, Could you please explain
this revert? I don't understand where the POV issues are? All incidents were well referenced statements of fact. If you believed there were POV issues then would it not have been better to rework the section rather than just deleting it?
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The fact that you even called the section above as "Removal of Personal attack section" and said I deleted it as well despite the fact I restored it to it's previous name which is the name I've always encountered in any other article with such a section is not helpful to the fact you think it is NPOV .
All the references are still there , apart from the Jack O Connor ones obviously but that is a remark he apologised for and are we now to crucify him for making a remark which he withdrew and how is that NPOV .
Kenny has sustained a number of on-air personal attacks during his career.
That is true for just about any presenter especially in current affairs and it nothing unique in Pat Kenny's case so to highlight as if it is is not NPOV . Garda40 ( talk) 19:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) Okay, I've tried to move this forward twice so last and you're moving back to argue on a matter of semantics. Whether or not you deleted or reverted to a previous is neither here nor there as there is consensus to have the text in its current format here. Do you still have a concern with the contents of the section? If yes then what is it so it can be addressed? If no can we draw a line under this and move on?
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(1) Style—"Do you want bland television where everything you hear reinforces your own view, or do you want to be challenged? I favour the latter. I like to challenge people. You might get angry and pick up the phone to Joe Duffy, or you might complain to the Broadcasting Complaints Commission; that's great. It means you're involved in the argument in some way".
(2) Salary—"I am satisfied that the significant reduction in the fees paid to my company takes account of current economic circumstances while also reflecting my experience over 37 years in broadcasting at RTE".
and the views of one other anonymous person on his off-screen personality—"works very hard to make both his radio show and the Late Late as good as possible" and "very good at doling out praise and encouragement, particularly to younger members of staff".
—than what others think of him. Parts of the article currently resemble a cleverly disguised fansite. -- can dle • wicke 20:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
(subscription required) -- can dle • wicke 09:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
A lot of his radio work needs to be factored into the article. At the moment, it his many role. — Cargoking talk 12:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
In the year 2000, the News of the World newspaper reported the existence of a daughter Pat Kenny had with a woman outside his marriage. It siad that he had contributed to the child's upkeep and played an active part in her life, but kept her existence secret from the public. Should this not at least be mentioned in the article?
It was picked up by other newspapers, notably the Daily Mirror, but I fdon't have a subscription to add a citation.
84.203.32.24 ( talk) 00:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
There is an article about him here which mentions the "extra" daughter http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Doctors+thought+she%27d+had+a+stroke+and+close+friends+feared+the+worst...-a085800475 It says: "It was revealed three years ago that the chat show host has a secret love child from a relationship he had prior to meeting Kathy.Pat was 39 and one of RTE's fastest-rising stars when the little girl was born. His eldest daughter is now 15 and lives with her mother in Blackrock, less than a half-hour drive from Pat's home in Dalkey. Pat helps the girl's mother out financially and makes sure to visit her every week. Although Kathy knows about Pat's love child, she prefers to concentrate on their own family. "Kathy knows about the whole thing," said a friend of the family. "But she buries her head in the sand about it. She just ignores it. And she has not let her daughters meet the other child."
So I put a brief note in under personal life. I hope this is okay with everyone. 89.126.56.62 ( talk) 18:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Revision as of 04:32, 6 August 2013 by User:Snappy is in breach of NPOV who describes facts correctly cited as "rubbish"
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RTÉ stars have admitted the defection of Pat Kenny to rivals Newstalk is a "major loss" for the national broadcaster. [11] Gay Byrne described his decision as a great loss for RTE.[12] "I think Pat going is a major loss for RTE, but also a major coup for Newstalk", "He's never been better; he's never been as much on the ball as he has lately. "They're getting a terrific broadcaster on Newstalk." Miriam O'Callaghan said she has learnt greatly from Kenny. "Pat is an incredibly talented broadcaster and has shown all of us current affairs presenters how it is done," "His depth of knowledge on virtually every subject on earth, combined with a logical inquiring mind, makes him a superb broadcast journalist. "On a professional level, I respect him enormously and I loved my time working with him on Prime Time."
Where is the inaccuracy or irrelevance in the stated facts above?
User:Snappy is editing to his point of view and ignoring relevant commentary and is in breach of good faith neutral point of view editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.232.144 ( talk) 00:37, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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Garda40, Could you please explain
this revert? I don't understand where the POV issues are? All incidents were well referenced statements of fact. If you believed there were POV issues then would it not have been better to rework the section rather than just deleting it?
GainLine
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18:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The fact that you even called the section above as "Removal of Personal attack section" and said I deleted it as well despite the fact I restored it to it's previous name which is the name I've always encountered in any other article with such a section is not helpful to the fact you think it is NPOV .
All the references are still there , apart from the Jack O Connor ones obviously but that is a remark he apologised for and are we now to crucify him for making a remark which he withdrew and how is that NPOV .
Kenny has sustained a number of on-air personal attacks during his career.
That is true for just about any presenter especially in current affairs and it nothing unique in Pat Kenny's case so to highlight as if it is is not NPOV . Garda40 ( talk) 19:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) Okay, I've tried to move this forward twice so last and you're moving back to argue on a matter of semantics. Whether or not you deleted or reverted to a previous is neither here nor there as there is consensus to have the text in its current format here. Do you still have a concern with the contents of the section? If yes then what is it so it can be addressed? If no can we draw a line under this and move on?
GainLine
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21:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
(1) Style—"Do you want bland television where everything you hear reinforces your own view, or do you want to be challenged? I favour the latter. I like to challenge people. You might get angry and pick up the phone to Joe Duffy, or you might complain to the Broadcasting Complaints Commission; that's great. It means you're involved in the argument in some way".
(2) Salary—"I am satisfied that the significant reduction in the fees paid to my company takes account of current economic circumstances while also reflecting my experience over 37 years in broadcasting at RTE".
and the views of one other anonymous person on his off-screen personality—"works very hard to make both his radio show and the Late Late as good as possible" and "very good at doling out praise and encouragement, particularly to younger members of staff".
—than what others think of him. Parts of the article currently resemble a cleverly disguised fansite. -- can dle • wicke 20:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
(subscription required) -- can dle • wicke 09:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
A lot of his radio work needs to be factored into the article. At the moment, it his many role. — Cargoking talk 12:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
In the year 2000, the News of the World newspaper reported the existence of a daughter Pat Kenny had with a woman outside his marriage. It siad that he had contributed to the child's upkeep and played an active part in her life, but kept her existence secret from the public. Should this not at least be mentioned in the article?
It was picked up by other newspapers, notably the Daily Mirror, but I fdon't have a subscription to add a citation.
84.203.32.24 ( talk) 00:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
There is an article about him here which mentions the "extra" daughter http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Doctors+thought+she%27d+had+a+stroke+and+close+friends+feared+the+worst...-a085800475 It says: "It was revealed three years ago that the chat show host has a secret love child from a relationship he had prior to meeting Kathy.Pat was 39 and one of RTE's fastest-rising stars when the little girl was born. His eldest daughter is now 15 and lives with her mother in Blackrock, less than a half-hour drive from Pat's home in Dalkey. Pat helps the girl's mother out financially and makes sure to visit her every week. Although Kathy knows about Pat's love child, she prefers to concentrate on their own family. "Kathy knows about the whole thing," said a friend of the family. "But she buries her head in the sand about it. She just ignores it. And she has not let her daughters meet the other child."
So I put a brief note in under personal life. I hope this is okay with everyone. 89.126.56.62 ( talk) 18:58, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Revision as of 04:32, 6 August 2013 by User:Snappy is in breach of NPOV who describes facts correctly cited as "rubbish"
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RTÉ stars have admitted the defection of Pat Kenny to rivals Newstalk is a "major loss" for the national broadcaster. [11] Gay Byrne described his decision as a great loss for RTE.[12] "I think Pat going is a major loss for RTE, but also a major coup for Newstalk", "He's never been better; he's never been as much on the ball as he has lately. "They're getting a terrific broadcaster on Newstalk." Miriam O'Callaghan said she has learnt greatly from Kenny. "Pat is an incredibly talented broadcaster and has shown all of us current affairs presenters how it is done," "His depth of knowledge on virtually every subject on earth, combined with a logical inquiring mind, makes him a superb broadcast journalist. "On a professional level, I respect him enormously and I loved my time working with him on Prime Time."
Where is the inaccuracy or irrelevance in the stated facts above?
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