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The article details the widespread hunting of the Passenger pigeon, evidently at least a primary cause of its extinction. But the motivations for hunting do not seem to be discussed in any detail. Was the Passenger pigeon easy to shoot? Was it difficult and therefore a challenge to shoot? Did farmers shoot it to prevent crop destruction? Was the Passenger pigeon desired and used as cooked food? How widespread was the serving or eating of Passenger pigeon as meat? Details on these motivations for hunting (and their relative importance) would be helpful in understanding the extinction of the Passenger pigeon. David Spector ( talk) 18:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
My observation was that hunting motivations were not "discussed in any detail" and you have confirmed it. It is natural to wonder how these motivations rank. Which was the main motivation for hunting the Passenger pigeon to extinction? Which was the least important motivation? We should not be satisfied with such superficial information. David Spector ( talk) 19:03, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I wasn't familiar with the authoritative modern sources, but I bow to your impressive and amazing knowledge of all of them. If no one has delved deeper into the causes of the extinction, then we certainly cannot say more in WP, which must reflect RSs. Thank you. I hadn't realized that the article truly reflected the limited state of our knowledge. I withdraw my suggestion. David Spector ( talk) 21:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
This is a strange claim that should be directly attributed, not put into Wikipedia's own voice: "Reviving the passenger pigeon may help conserve woodland biodiversity in the eastern US." This is not a statement that most scientists, including ecologists, zoologists, and others, would agree with. I.e., it is a WP:FRINGE viewpoint. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 20:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Hogyncymru ( talk) 21:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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Is this rationale the one being used in this article? I am not quite sure that this is the intention because there appears to be exceptions. Any comment clearing this up would be appreciated. J JMesserly ( talk) 09:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=163368 TheZodiac007 ( talk) 00:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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The article details the widespread hunting of the Passenger pigeon, evidently at least a primary cause of its extinction. But the motivations for hunting do not seem to be discussed in any detail. Was the Passenger pigeon easy to shoot? Was it difficult and therefore a challenge to shoot? Did farmers shoot it to prevent crop destruction? Was the Passenger pigeon desired and used as cooked food? How widespread was the serving or eating of Passenger pigeon as meat? Details on these motivations for hunting (and their relative importance) would be helpful in understanding the extinction of the Passenger pigeon. David Spector ( talk) 18:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
My observation was that hunting motivations were not "discussed in any detail" and you have confirmed it. It is natural to wonder how these motivations rank. Which was the main motivation for hunting the Passenger pigeon to extinction? Which was the least important motivation? We should not be satisfied with such superficial information. David Spector ( talk) 19:03, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I wasn't familiar with the authoritative modern sources, but I bow to your impressive and amazing knowledge of all of them. If no one has delved deeper into the causes of the extinction, then we certainly cannot say more in WP, which must reflect RSs. Thank you. I hadn't realized that the article truly reflected the limited state of our knowledge. I withdraw my suggestion. David Spector ( talk) 21:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
This is a strange claim that should be directly attributed, not put into Wikipedia's own voice: "Reviving the passenger pigeon may help conserve woodland biodiversity in the eastern US." This is not a statement that most scientists, including ecologists, zoologists, and others, would agree with. I.e., it is a WP:FRINGE viewpoint. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 20:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Hogyncymru ( talk) 21:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians, It appears that this article has the style of using shortened footnotes when a citation is made to different pages of the same source, and not for any other purpose. However, this might be a misunderstanding and some other style was intended. Wikipedia's Citing sources guidelines recommend that articles have a single citation style applied consistently and this information on the style chosen for the article will assist editors seeking to maintain high standards for wikipedia's citations. If there is no objection after a reasonable period for comment has elapsed, editors maintaining this article will be informed that this is the style to be applied consistently in the article. |
Is this rationale the one being used in this article? I am not quite sure that this is the intention because there appears to be exceptions. Any comment clearing this up would be appreciated. J JMesserly ( talk) 09:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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This article uses footnotes in the regular style used for most Wikipedia articles. All full citations used for footnotes must appear in the section named References.
Shortened footnotes may only be used to reference full citations in this same section in order to avoid duplication of information in cases where footnotes refer to the same source but different pages or with different annotation information.
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https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=163368 TheZodiac007 ( talk) 00:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)